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Old 12-21-2010, 03:11 PM   #541
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sounds like you have less rear grip than in the front.

rain makes a KA have like 300whp. so imagine your current setup...with 300whp. now if your running 205's.......then it's obviously going to make you spin out.....

in the rain...everything has to be more precise, more smooth. room for error is smaller because traction is now less.

example....my stock ka will drift in 3rd on onramps (accidental) at 50mph.
I be runnin 215's front and back with 50 psi all around... so maybe less tire pressure? lol and my ka is no ordinary ka, 38% leakdown and 105psi compression makes it the "I can't believe its still running!" ka
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I be runnin 215's front and back with 50 psi all around... so maybe less tire pressure? lol and my ka is no ordinary ka, 38% leakdown and 105psi compression makes it the "I can't believe its still running!" ka
try running 30 all around.....
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I'll try that.. I might even put some negative camber in the back (don't tell anyone I said that) who know's what'll happen if someone from the other thread finds out I said that :O
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I'll try that.. I might even put some negative camber in the back (don't tell anyone I said that) who know's what'll happen if someone from the other thread finds out I said that :O

haha...no for drifting...negative half a degree to 1 degree is safe. give ya a little more traction during drift. ;D

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Things get tricky in the rain. I drifted at the Balcony once when it was lightly raining. Wow that was bizarre. You have to do very minimal movements with the wheel because spinning is so easy.

If you are good at doing donuts, that's a good start. You could try to start out going slow and drifting a little bit into donuts. Find a point where you want to go around and start the drift a little ways back.
You could try holding the e brake and sliding into it. That's fun and helps you learn to control the car while it's sliding.

Again, the rain is much different and you really have to be delicate with the wheel, in my opinion.
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i spin out all day in the rain and understeer when its dry. Like a boss
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Tried drifting for the first time yesturday and man i SUCK... lol i was hoping it would rain just alittle but ground was dry and i had the mk4, but considering its n-a it just didn't have the power to hold a drift. i did how ever get a few times side ways for alittle bit . but that car was never ment for drift it just glues to the asphalt. So hopefully ill get my s13 going reliably and be able to practice some more.
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Tried drifting for the first time yesturday and man i SUCK... lol i was hoping it would rain just alittle but ground was dry and i had the mk4, but considering its n-a it just didn't have the power to hold a drift. i did how ever get a few times side ways for alittle bit . but that car was never ment for drift it just glues to the asphalt. So hopefully ill get my s13 going reliably and be able to practice some more.

then how do ppl drift stock SC300s?
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Tried drifting for the first time yesturday and man i SUCK... lol i was hoping it would rain just alittle but ground was dry and i had the mk4, but considering its n-a it just didn't have the power to hold a drift. i did how ever get a few times side ways for alittle bit . but that car was never ment for drift it just glues to the asphalt. So hopefully ill get my s13 going reliably and be able to practice some more.
You need to pop that clutch. Or pull the ebrake to initiate. Start small by doing donuts. You can do it. No car is "meant" to drift.
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then how do ppl drift stock SC300s?
i have no idea, but just a reminder i said i suck so thats me.. im not saying its impossible im saying for me i cant seem to do it.

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You need to pop that clutch. Or pull the ebrake to initiate. Start small by doing donuts. You can do it. No car is "meant" to drift.
Well i was trying the ebrake thing, but since i dont have that button lock thing it gets stuck and the car will just bog. and i mean theres cars that are just lighter and can spin the wheels easier imo.. i mean.... 3k lbs car with maybe 180 hp...and the stock rear tires are pretty dam wide. Its just everything about that car is meant to stick to the road.
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i'm just starting out on the drift thing... The problem I have isnt initiating, its once I hit full lock. one of two things happen ALL the time. I let off the gas to keep it from spinning trying to get the rear to catch a bit, but end up sliding straight out of the drift into a 4 wheel slide, or I gas it too much and spin out anyway.
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i'm just starting out on the drift thing... The problem I have isnt initiating, its once I hit full lock. one of two things happen ALL the time. I let off the gas to keep it from spinning trying to get the rear to catch a bit, but end up sliding straight out of the drift into a 4 wheel slide, or I gas it too much and spin out anyway.
happened to me when i started.. you aren't acting fast enough and you're not letting your car do the work. You're counter steering too late as well
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also dont let the wheel go all the way to full lock, try and work it. I tried this the other night and had much more success than i did at the track letting the car go full lock by itself.

But my reaction is still slow, but that just goes with practice
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happened to me when i started.. you aren't acting fast enough and you're not letting your car do the work. You're counter steering too late as well
what do you mean let my car do the work?

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also dont let the wheel go all the way to full lock, try and work it. I tried this the other night and had much more success than i did at the track letting the car go full lock by itself.

But my reaction is still slow, but that just goes with practice
so i'll work on reaction with countersteering and stopping the wheel from going full lock. throttle manipulation would have to be more involved then with limited wheel movement correct?
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he pretty much just covered it. When you flick it to transition or into a drift (unless you know how to double hand) just kinda let the steering wheel slide and then catch it.

Idk how to explain it much, cause im pretty bad myself, but you just let your car do the work and you have to relax. Be smooth with your movements and don't try to force things pretty much
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To the guys talking about tire pressure: Everyone iv met all bump their rear tire pressure up to 50-60 psi.

This has been my first year drifting, i learned alot soo far prolly entered 9 events. iv learned to initiate earlier and clutch kick, than ebrake over right away.
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Yes, it's true that the car will do most of the work for you. Just flick it and let it slide.

I usually had my tire pressures around 30 in the front, maybe 35.
Rear was usually 40-45 psi.

I usually checked my pressure once per event, and that was right after I would get to the track to make sure I didn't have a tire super low on PSI.
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on the single slammer I had last season, I started out on 55 PSI on the rears, and would lower the PSI each event until I was happy with grip. At the very end, I was only slightly above recommended pressure. definitely made for a very quick learning curve
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Yes, it's true that the car will do most of the work for you. Just flick it and let it slide.

I usually had my tire pressures around 30 in the front, maybe 35.
Rear was usually 40-45 psi.

I usually checked my pressure once per event, and that was right after I would get to the track to make sure I didn't have a tire super low on PSI.
yeah 50psi for fronts, on stretched, is a lot... probably will lose a ton of grip with that also

I'd say check psi before first drive, then after warm up lap to see where its at
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go 1 gear faster. initiate earlier. feint. clutch kick. ebrake long slide right after.

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just posting to get it up in my subscribed lists--the tips and depth/variety of views is great!
loving every minute of learning/doing drifting since we had our first full season this year in oklahoma--hoping the sport gets to continue and grow as we have some talented guys but are just lacking the funds/support that most states have into the sport.
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would the car be easier to control if i lower boost? im on the stock t28 at 15psi. should i go to 7psi and go wot instead of trying to feather it? what rpm should i set the avcr to start building boost, the sooner the better?
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just posting to get it up in my subscribed lists--the tips and depth/variety of views is great!
loving every minute of learning/doing drifting since we had our first full season this year in oklahoma--hoping the sport gets to continue and grow as we have some talented guys but are just lacking the funds/support that most states have into the sport.
+1 lenzo.
I plan on taking it up a notch or two this next season. I have been learning from this thread a lot. Can't wait to take out the new coupe =)


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did you guys find out anything about that wide go cart track lol??
not having a track to drift defiantly doesnt help the local sport grow(legally)
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KA

I drifted the whole summer with a stock Ka and while it's harder to learn at the beginning, I think it's make you a better driver in the end, you have to learn all the technique and you absolutely need to learn weight shifting.

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I drifted the whole summer with a stock Ka and while it's harder to learn at the beginning, I think it's make you a better driver in the end, you have to learn all the technique and you absolutely need to learn weight shifting.

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Thats looks fun.. If only i had my car running id be practicing everyday if i could.
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Thats looks fun.. If only i had my car running id be practicing everyday if i could.
if i could find a spot that i wouldn't get busted at then i would
midwest track days come scarcely and too far apart, plus kinda expensive (100$ for track day, 3 hours north or 2 hours south)
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midwest track days come scarcely and too far apart, plus kinda expensive (100$ for track day, 3 hours north or 2 hours south)
Dam that sucks .. my friend showed me and area near where i am .. its not huge but its big enough to practice like .. figure 8s or just transitions. Its cool because its a random parking lot in the middle of no where about 10 miles out where no cars ever pass by. i guess its for snow bunnies when they come up here to visit and since there hasn't been any snow its just a bran new empty parking lot that sits. So i found my new spot, cant wait to be able to practice so when i can afford the track ill be able to actually perform on there with out like spinning out and screwing someones line up or something .. i hate to get in the way of people.
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Dam that sucks .. my friend showed me and area near where i am .. its not huge but its big enough to practice like .. figure 8s or just transitions. Its cool because its a random parking lot in the middle of no where about 10 miles out where no cars ever pass by. i guess its for snow bunnies when they come up here to visit and since there hasn't been any snow its just a bran new empty parking lot that sits. So i found my new spot, cant wait to be able to practice so when i can afford the track ill be able to actually perform on there with out like spinning out and screwing someones line up or something .. i hate to get in the way of people.
yeah i haven't gone to the track yet cause to be honest, the common track they use kinda sucks. its USA International Raceway - which has a bunch of turns and its kinda thing since its a gokart track. The beginner course definitely still takes skill to maneuver so i wanna get more street seat time before i hit up a track and possible go into a fence lol
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Practicing on the street at the beginning of learning how to drift is ok but since it's dangerous and everything... I'd say as soon as you can do a figure of 8 right , go to the track, you won't learn as fast on the street as you would on a closed circuit.
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