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jspaeth · 09-18-2010, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by codyace

What a fuckin bummer brother! Man that was the last thing I could imagine ever happening to a car that was freshly done...hell I felt sick to my stomach when I recently mis stabbed the CAS off a tooth and the car didn't run for shit...I could only imagine if I was 'your friend' that bombed the engine....damn

I wouldn't EVER use loctite on the main bolts that hold the cam gears to the cams...hell they are darn near 100ft lbs of torque as it is...

unless you're talking about on those stupid slider things, which I wouldn't ever ever ever use....they always come loose and fuck up IMO.

Cody what slider things are you talking about...now I am getting paranoid!!!!

fishboi · 09-18-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by S13 curtis

Like the tuner straight up told me, "you can pop the hood of my car and tell just by looking that there was alot of money put into it, but that means nothing if parts wern't installed correctly,I don't want to have anything to do with this car because it wasnt put togeather right, A Real friend woundnt half ass it, You can tell he didnt give a fuck because it wasnt his car."

I 100% agree with him on that.

How long have you known this friend? Personally, I would have a hard time trusting "TRUSTED" shops when it comes to engines.

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codyace;3644511]
I wouldn't EVER use loctite on the main bolts that hold the cam gears to the cams...hell they are darn near 100ft lbs of torque as it is...

Yea you are right. If torqued to the right ft lbs with a torque wrench that isn't cheap, nothing should be backing out.

Man just hearing this...makes me feel like strangling someone and im not even YOU. This is one reason why I don't build my sr. Just bought a avc-r turned up the boost to 1 bar(s14t28). Installed a SAFC, tune and done. Making 235whp. Plenty to get side ways. I rather have a motor that lasts long and is easy to repair then expansive stuff that can blow and all your money going to waste.

cotbu · 09-18-2010, 11:14 AM

I'm sure you would have made that 430 goal, S13 curtis! I was also hoping you wouldn't break on the dyno!
I also think we might have put too much pressure on you, and made you overlook your friends work.

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Originally Posted by jspaeth

Cody what slider things are you talking about...now I am getting paranoid!!!!

The adjustable cam gear shits, they suck ass!

jspaeth · 09-18-2010, 11:39 AM

Yo Curtis sorry about your car....

Geno750 · 09-18-2010, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishboi

Man just hearing this...makes me feel like strangling someone and im not even YOU. This is one reason why I don't build my sr. Just bought a avc-r turned up the boost to 1 bar(s14t28). Installed a SAFC, tune and done. Making 235whp. Plenty to get side ways. I rather have a motor that lasts long and is easy to repair then expansive stuff that can blow and all your money going to waste.

I don't agree with this sort of thinking. Working on your own car or taking it to a reputable shop should not be something to really worry about. Building a car is nothing more than having super lego's. Just take it step by step and follow the directions and you really can't go wrong.

sulik · 11-15-2010, 03:44 PM

Any news on here?

Weedm · 11-15-2010, 04:50 PM

good question. he might still be in korea.

thanks for the tail lights curtis.

steve shadows · 11-16-2010, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

What a fuckin bummer brother! Man that was the last thing I could imagine ever happening to a car that was freshly done...hell I felt sick to my stomach when I recently mis stabbed the CAS off a tooth and the car didn't run for shit...I could only imagine if I was 'your friend' that bombed the engine....damn

So Cody did I win this as always by default?

lol

sorry sorry

It really does suck...but so do these cars sometimes...and also...more importantly...not rushing...really really really paying attention to detail and not skimping on anything the first time really adds up...not saying hi/op did but just sayin...

In other news...we just hit 350 WHP at 1 bar on an .86 GT2871R so I would have to rescind my previous hypothesis and suggest that 400 WHP is easily capable with a good build on the motor (cough actually this was stock bottom end AGAIN) and good tuning...400 whp at 19 PSI on 91 octane will be the next goal.

ciao

codyace · 11-16-2010, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by steve shadows

In other news...we just hit 350 WHP at 1 bar on an .86 GT2871R so I would have to rescind my previous hypothesis and suggest that 400 WHP is easily capable with a good build on the motor (cough actually this was stock bottom end AGAIN) and good tuning...400 whp at 19 PSI on 91 octane will be the next goal.

I think the .86 'crown' is still owned by 4x4xl with his Nistune setup.

As before, take these guys to the drags and lets get some trap speed. THen I'll determine if I should crank the boost on my .64 housing car

Bragging over dynocharts is silly to say the least, you and I both know that haha. PS: 4 years and still going here. I love my JWT car

Tootles

idahotuner · 11-17-2010, 02:43 PM

hey cody just wait tell i get my gt3076 sr22 running hehe. then we can do some trap speeds

codyace · 11-17-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by idahotuner

hey cody just wait tell i get my gt3076 sr22 running hehe. then we can do some trap speeds

that's a 30, not at 28

Steve knows I love him, but until I see some trap speeds this 'dyno battle' really proves nothing other than we're both confident in our setups...there is simply to many factors, and really no 'solid' conversion factors between them all. THe only thing I can say about my dyno and car is that it was on a lighter roller, and had ZERO load. I'd love for them to get a eddy brake so I could load the turbo and really make some power.

I've never denied that a standalone based car would be capable of more power...I mean that's just common sense...my argument has always been you really can't ask for much more out of a ROM based setup than what I've done, and had others copy.

*slider2828* · 11-17-2010, 04:37 PM

Man curtis sorry to hear that.... I might have a blown motor, and THAT makes me sick to my stomache too... Too much time blood and sweat and shit just breaks...

sigh..... oh wellz I will know more next week when I get everything together.....

S13 curtis · 11-19-2010, 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sulik

Any news on here?

AEM ,tailights, fuel set up gone! thats about it

and i still have the car with the tubo set up

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weedm

good question. he might still be in korea.

thanks for the tail lights curtis.

your welcome. And yes still in korea until OCT 2011 as a matter of fact i just came back from the field about an hour ago after being gone for a week.

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

I think the .86 'crown' is still owned by 4x4xl with his Nistune setup.

As before, take these guys to the drags and lets get some trap speed. THen I'll determine if I should crank the boost on my .64 housing car

Bragging over dynocharts is silly to say the least, you and I both know that haha. PS: 4 years and still going here. I love my JWT car

Tootles

+1 trap speeds tell all

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

that's a 30, not at 28

Steve knows I love him, but until I see some trap speeds this 'dyno battle' really proves nothing other than we're both confident in our setups...there is simply to many factors, and really no 'solid' conversion factors between them all. THe only thing I can say about my dyno and car is that it was on a lighter roller, and had ZERO load. I'd love for them to get a eddy brake so I could load the turbo and really make some power.

I've never denied that a standalone based car would be capable of more power...I mean that's just common sense...my argument has always been you really can't ask for much more out of a ROM based setup than what I've done, and had others copy.

Not trying to flame or Bash anyone BUT

Correcy me if im wrong, you can manipulate Mustang Dynos and DynoDynamics to create more power by messing with the weight or heat index something like that or did I hear some bad intel?

Quote:

Originally Posted by slider2828

Man curtis sorry to hear that.... I might have a blown motor, and THAT makes me sick to my stomache too... Too much time blood and sweat and shit just breaks...

sigh..... oh wellz I will know more next week when I get everything together.....

Yea man, i was so excited when my car went on the dyno and just hearing it idle with those cams was amazing.Im going to try and find a video of it running for you guys.

It was depressing after it blew then paying alot of money.

But im not sure what im going to do with it, im either thing 90mm bore 9:0:1 or stock bore 10:5:1 E-85 thats something different also need new Engine management prolly PFC or something later on but im going to wait until icome back so I could do it MYSELF.

-Curtis

steve shadows · 11-19-2010, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

I think the .86 'crown' is still owned by 4x4xl with his Nistune setup.

As before, take these guys to the drags and lets get some trap speed. THen I'll determine if I should crank the boost on my .64 housing car

Bragging over dynocharts is silly to say the least, you and I both know that haha. PS: 4 years and still going here. I love my JWT car

Tootles

The car was definitely as fast as my 440 WHP S13 when we test drove it.

But Hey CODY! NO ONE DRAG RACES ANYMORE!

Espeically in Cali...but if we get a chance to go to the ONLY 1/4 mile track we have in over 200 miles I will make sure we video taping the car taking a huge shit all over the other trap speed records...in fact...f this... I'll drive the bitch! just to make sure...haha

Ill get him back in the shop so we can break their record.

PS. I don't take any dynojet numbers seriously anyways...doesn't count

steve shadows · 11-19-2010, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

that's a 30, not at 28

Steve knows I love him, but until I see some trap speeds this 'dyno battle' really proves nothing other than we're both confident in our setups...there is simply to many factors, and really no 'solid' conversion factors between them all. THe only thing I can say about my dyno and car is that it was on a lighter roller, and had ZERO load. I'd love for them to get a eddy brake so I could load the turbo and really make some power.

I've never denied that a standalone based car would be capable of more power...I mean that's just common sense...my argument has always been you really can't ask for much more out of a ROM based setup than what I've done, and had others copy.

Wait is this a joke?

If you load up the motor it will just effect...LOAD...i.e. how much boost you are at...it's not going to make the motor make more power...

ps. you know I <3 you too....that's why we secretly text each other all the time...sending naked pictures of each other holding imported and micro brewed beers...haha

S13 curtis · 09-20-2011, 10:16 AM

Soooo after almost a year since this threads been updated and how much interest you guys showed. Ill revive the thread, you guys shouldnt be let down this time. I also need to renew my premium membership its been so long since ive been on here lol.

I sold the car to a really really good friend of mine. He took the car apart and hes on a mission to get it back up and running so ill share since hes been giving me pics.

So the motor was then taken apart to check for damage:

After the valve cover was taken off and cam gears taken off the probblem turned out to be a FAULTY Intake cam!!!!

Pics Supplied:

New valves were Ordered from enjuku, BC Stainless valves because the old valves were obviously going to be bent.

The head was pulled and the damage was not so bad, you couldnt even tell the valves were bent but we knew they were lol. I Dont have a pic of the bottom of the head. You can tell the pistons were knicked from the valves but it actually was not bad at all:

The new valves were installed, New Tomei 270 Intake Cam was ordered Fuel set up is getting re done and another AEM EMS will be installed

.

Difference is this time it will be tuned on pump gas but im very sure it will reach the set goal. He will probly have a second map done later on down the road for E-85 but i assure you guys a dyno sheet will be put up when its finished

. I talked to my friend and he said hes tring to have it finished in the end of OCT or Nov of this year. I come back to the states at the end of October so ill be able to help speed things up and snap some pictures for you guys.

Tearlessj · 10-05-2011, 12:50 AM

Fuck, I was taking off my turbo to take off my head. Didn't realize I could just unbolt the manifold. Anyways, glad to know this thing is still going to get completed. Good luck!

*slider2828* · 10-05-2011, 10:48 AM

Wait how did he slide off the head like that with the headbolts still in place...

codyace · 10-05-2011, 10:58 AM

Sucks on the cam...wonder if the cam gear was torqued properly/installed properly from the get go

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Originally Posted by slider2828

Wait how did he slide off the head like that with the headbolts still in place...

Those are studs, not bolts

S13 curtis · 10-06-2011, 07:56 AM

Update:

The new intake cam came in 270*:

Slider the car has ARP head studs so it can slide off.

My buddy got the AEM Series 2 ECU. When i had the car I bought the series 1 so this is definately an improvement.

The car should be running very soon so stay tuned.

S13 curtis · 11-27-2011, 11:52 AM

Its revived. Its supposed to be tuned on monday. Heres an Idle clip, sry its a iPhone video. Enjoy

240sx 2871r, .72 ATP V44, tomei 270 Idle - YouTube

turbociv910 · 11-28-2011, 12:02 PM

you lap those valves when installing them?

idahotuner · 11-28-2011, 07:49 PM

well lets get it on a dyno for some numbers finally

jonsparrow · 11-30-2011, 02:26 AM

well i just spent an hour reading 9 pages and i still dont know how much power its making. what a story though. it was like a mini novel with a sad ending. but then there was a twist and it went into a sequel. lol

*slider2828* · 11-30-2011, 09:41 AM

LOL yeah..... Get those 20 year old coolant pipes under the manifold replaced... I made a thread in the tech section on replacing all those pipes with silicon.....

waxball88 · 11-30-2011, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geno750

I don't agree with this sort of thinking. Working on your own car or taking it to a reputable shop should not be something to really worry about. Building a car is nothing more than having super lego's. Just take it step by step and follow the directions and you really can't go wrong.

Sorry this is on the last page. Just wanted to quote this for truth.
I was around 17-18 (almost 19 now) and built my KA (8.6:1 comp, acl,arp, blah)
As long as you take your time and triple check everything is good and within spec, you're golden. Luckily i built my engine at my dad's friend's shop so i had help and an experienced eye to spot check.
Take your time and have everything checked/mic'd by a machine shop (oil pump, etc).
At thousands of rpms "Close enough" becomes catastrophic failure. It astounds me how some people will try and do the bare minimum when it comes to building an engine correctly. A kid locally has gone through like 3/4 KA's by trying to franken-motor a ka-t set up.

Darren · 12-06-2011, 08:50 AM

wow, what a rollercoaster... this is almost as epic as Obeewan's adventure!

Hopefully, even though it's no in your hands anymore, your goal will be met, and you'll be able to see your hard work ($) to the end!

In for the finish

S13 curtis · 03-15-2012, 11:14 PM

I was at the dyno today when it was getting tuned, I will try to get graphs up but it made [email protected] (wastegate pressure) I didn't see the tq on that pull, 347whp 298wtq @ 15psi, 380whp 329wtq at 17psi taper to 16 at redline. He was going for 20psi and the fuel rail ended up poping off half way through the pull i seen it at 326 whp and the car wasnt even close to done with the pull, the threads were stripped so that's where it ended up for now. Keep in mind those numbers were made on a mustang dyno and on 93 oct pump gas. On a dyno jet that is defanately over 400whp.

codyace · 03-15-2012, 11:18 PM

Sounds good man! Been a long time coming for sure. At this rate, 430 may be touchable with the E-85. Good stuff.

With that said, get some slips under that car though, That should should easily trap over 120 mph with your current power! No need to race dyno's when you've got physics on your side

FWIW: YOu can't blanketly make power comparisons like that. Our 1000 lb DynoJet has been proven time and time again to make less power than the 2 other Mustang Dynos local to us, with the same cars on them. The only thing consistent about comparing dyno results is that they are inconsistent

llteddy4playll · 03-15-2012, 11:32 PM

Just skimmed through the thread real quick but 400+ is easily achievable. I posted my dyno sheet a few years ago with my built sr with gt2871r .86, hks 272 step 2, sleeved etc etc and got 455whp and 500wtq at 22psi 93/race gas mix. Good luck with the build!

09-18-2010, 11:39 AM	#244
jspaeth Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Philadelphia suburbs Age: 37 Posts: 2,347 Trader Rating: (7) Rides Gallery: jspaeth Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Yo Curtis sorry about your car.... __________________ Daily driven

11-15-2010, 04:50 PM	#247
Weedm Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle / Portland Age: 30 Posts: 902 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	good question. he might still be in korea. thanks for the tail lights curtis. __________________

11-17-2010, 02:43 PM	#250
idahotuner Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: St. Maries, Idaho Age: 32 Posts: 1,276 Trader Rating: (17) Rides Gallery: idahotuner Feedback Score: 17 reviews	hey cody just wait tell i get my gt3076 sr22 running hehe. then we can do some trap speeds __________________ My Twin Scroll Gt30r Sr22det Build

11-17-2010, 04:37 PM	#252
slider2828 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,824 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Man curtis sorry to hear that.... I might have a blown motor, and THAT makes me sick to my stomache too... Too much time blood and sweat and shit just breaks... sigh..... oh wellz I will know more next week when I get everything together..... __________________ Turn and Burn!

09-20-2011, 10:16 AM	#256
S13 curtis Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Orlando,FL Age: 30 Posts: 651 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Same set up New Owner. Attempt #2 Let's Go!!!!! Soooo after almost a year since this threads been updated and how much interest you guys showed. Ill revive the thread, you guys shouldnt be let down this time. I also need to renew my premium membership its been so long since ive been on here lol. I sold the car to a really really good friend of mine. He took the car apart and hes on a mission to get it back up and running so ill share since hes been giving me pics. So the motor was then taken apart to check for damage: After the valve cover was taken off and cam gears taken off the probblem turned out to be a FAULTY Intake cam!!!! Pics Supplied: New valves were Ordered from enjuku, BC Stainless valves because the old valves were obviously going to be bent. The head was pulled and the damage was not so bad, you couldnt even tell the valves were bent but we knew they were lol. I Dont have a pic of the bottom of the head. You can tell the pistons were knicked from the valves but it actually was not bad at all: The new valves were installed, New Tomei 270 Intake Cam was ordered Fuel set up is getting re done and another AEM EMS will be installed. Difference is this time it will be tuned on pump gas but im very sure it will reach the set goal. He will probly have a second map done later on down the road for E-85 but i assure you guys a dyno sheet will be put up when its finished . I talked to my friend and he said hes tring to have it finished in the end of OCT or Nov of this year. I come back to the states at the end of October so ill be able to help speed things up and snap some pictures for you guys. __________________ 1990 240sx fast back SR20det GTXX71R Sips on E-85 1998 S14 Kouki KA24de Bone Stock...... 2004 Lancer Evolution

11-15-2010, 03:44 PM	#246
sulik Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: europe Posts: 29 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Any news on here?

10-05-2011, 12:50 AM	#257
Tearlessj Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Memphis Age: 29 Posts: 1,907 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Fuck, I was taking off my turbo to take off my head. Didn't realize I could just unbolt the manifold. Anyways, glad to know this thing is still going to get completed. Good luck! __________________ Nagasaki Motors Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.

10-05-2011, 10:48 AM	#258
slider2828 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,824 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Wait how did he slide off the head like that with the headbolts still in place... __________________ Turn and Burn!

10-06-2011, 07:56 AM	#260
S13 curtis Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Orlando,FL Age: 30 Posts: 651 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Update: The new intake cam came in 270: Slider the car has ARP head studs so it can slide off. My buddy got the AEM Series 2 ECU. When i had the car I bought the series 1 so this is definately an improvement. The car should be running very soon so stay tuned. __________________ 1990 240sx fast back SR20det GTXX71R Sips on E-85 1998 S14 Kouki* KA24de Bone Stock...... 2004 Lancer Evolution

11-27-2011, 11:52 AM	#261
S13 curtis Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Orlando,FL Age: 30 Posts: 651 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Its revived. Its supposed to be tuned on monday. Heres an Idle clip, sry its a iPhone video. Enjoy 240sx 2871r, .72 ATP V44, tomei 270 Idle - YouTube __________________ 1990 240sx fast back SR20det GTXX71R Sips on E-85 1998 S14 Kouki KA24de Bone Stock...... 2004 Lancer Evolution

11-28-2011, 12:02 PM	#262
turbociv910 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: wilmington nc Age: 32 Posts: 241 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you lap those valves when installing them? __________________ www.carolinadyno.com s13 LSx turbo drag car- 1.42 60 ft, 6.32 1/8

11-28-2011, 07:49 PM	#263
idahotuner Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: St. Maries, Idaho Age: 32 Posts: 1,276 Trader Rating: (17) Rides Gallery: idahotuner Feedback Score: 17 reviews	well lets get it on a dyno for some numbers finally __________________ My Twin Scroll Gt30r Sr22det Build

11-30-2011, 02:26 AM	#264
jonsparrow Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: dirty jersey Posts: 116 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	well i just spent an hour reading 9 pages and i still dont know how much power its making. what a story though. it was like a mini novel with a sad ending. but then there was a twist and it went into a sequel. lol

11-30-2011, 09:41 AM	#265
slider2828 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,824 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	LOL yeah..... Get those 20 year old coolant pipes under the manifold replaced... I made a thread in the tech section on replacing all those pipes with silicon..... __________________ Turn and Burn!

12-06-2011, 08:50 AM	#267
Darren Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: kelowna, bc, canada Age: 45 Posts: 680 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	wow, what a rollercoaster... this is almost as epic as Obeewan's adventure! Hopefully, even though it's no in your hands anymore, your goal will be met, and you'll be able to see your hard work ($) to the end! In for the finish

03-15-2012, 11:14 PM	#268
S13 curtis Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Orlando,FL Age: 30 Posts: 651 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	I was at the dyno today when it was getting tuned, I will try to get graphs up but it made [email protected] (wastegate pressure) I didn't see the tq on that pull, 347whp 298wtq @ 15psi, 380whp 329wtq at 17psi taper to 16 at redline. He was going for 20psi and the fuel rail ended up poping off half way through the pull i seen it at 326 whp and the car wasnt even close to done with the pull, the threads were stripped so that's where it ended up for now. Keep in mind those numbers were made on a mustang dyno and on 93 oct pump gas. On a dyno jet that is defanately over 400whp. __________________ 1990 240sx fast back SR20det GTXX71R Sips on E-85 1998 S14 Kouki KA24de Bone Stock...... 2004 Lancer Evolution

03-15-2012, 11:18 PM	#269
codyace Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poconos, PA Age: 36 Posts: 8,030 Trader Rating: (58) Feedback Score: 58 reviews	Sounds good man! Been a long time coming for sure. At this rate, 430 may be touchable with the E-85. Good stuff. With that said, get some slips under that car though, That should should easily trap over 120 mph with your current power! No need to race dyno's when you've got physics on your side FWIW: YOu can't blanketly make power comparisons like that. Our 1000 lb DynoJet has been proven time and time again to make less power than the 2 other Mustang Dynos local to us, with the same cars on them. The only thing consistent about comparing dyno results is that they are inconsistent __________________ *Want Air Conditioning in your SR20 Swapped car? Check out www.sr20acbrackets.com for more information! Quest Alternator Conversions for SR20!* Check my Group Buy! Tired of lousy internal gates? Go external wastegate with one of my manifolds, Check out my group buy

03-15-2012, 11:32 PM	#270
llteddy4playll Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: az Age: 36 Posts: 186 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just skimmed through the thread real quick but 400+ is easily achievable. I posted my dyno sheet a few years ago with my built sr with gt2871r .86, hks 272 step 2, sleeved etc etc and got 455whp and 500wtq at 22psi 93/race gas mix. Good luck with the build!

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