bkg775

Because I have never been to a FD event due to the fact that I'm n Va I go to alot of usdrift and practice day events in the area but I still wanna put my 2 cents in((not that anyone will read it)
Honestly even thought it's a b.s. rule unless someone else can make a "real" show to display drifitng in the u.s. nothings gonna happen. Nopi is a train wreck and FD is right behind it with no brakes.
I don't care how they fix it but something has to budge.

ghambino

More money=more problems. When you start to get big time sponsors like FD is getting right now things get a little complicated. I've never attended a FD event but overall I think its a decent organization. You have to remember its a business so naturally some of the grassroots attractions are going to be stripped away. The issue with the rule book sounds silly but I'm sure they'll work it out.

GaRcia240

thats fucked up

ilia

FDs pretty lame, NOPIs pretty lame. We need more MSC in our lives!!

We need less cars like THIS:



^THIS PILE OF AIDS DOES NOT LOOK COOL.




^And more cars like THIS.

Drift cars have NO BUSINESS being practical, fast, or functional. That's for racecar drivers. This is drifting.

kamikazekid

Its like the U.S. drifting scene is loosing its roots from real japanese drifting its turning into some big corporate add campagne. people that are drifting now are in it for money rhys millen, sam hubinette? what the fuck? Sell Out! What happened to are originators! ? Ross Petty good example- he gave so much to U.S. drifting and he's not around because he doesnt have some big american sponsor? fuck'n bullshit! id rather drift for fun again than be sponsored by Wal-Mart or some shit. Fuck FD! D-1 SHOULD BE RUNNING IT! This is the exact opposite of what i wanted drifting to be in the U.S.

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norbac

hey, theres nothing wrong with FD, i like it better than FCs, haha, okay, that was bad, but i heard D1 is the same, dramas and politics

renegade_ewok

If they come over here and take over its because they are better drifters. Then maybe Mopar and Ford need better drivers...

I know what your saying because when factory backed teams are in a competition there is a lot of money in those vehicles and it draws crowds... Oh well, if they lose they lose because they can't drive as well.

deadpirate

ross petty competes in formula D, so saying he isnt around is wrong



michihiro takatori, yoshioka, ryuji miki, haraguchi, all d1 drivers, all left d1 and can never go back. why? because d1 is fake, its scripted. keiichi is akin to a mob boss, if a driver pisses him off, it will take bribes or money, car parts, and women to get back on his good side. notice how kazama, orido are no longer in d1 anymore?? kazama no longer has sponsors? HOW THE FUCK DOES A 3 TIME CHAMPION not have sponsors??

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1five10

Unless some wealthy person comes in and throws huge sums of money into drifting, FORUMULA D will drift right into corporate America and into our living rooms. Keep in mind, the FORMULA D guys are in this to make money. They are business men, too, and a lot of guys (drivers and teams) are making money drifting.

Do you think when they were creating FORMULA D, they were thinking about finding ways to maintain the Japanese roots of drifting? HELL NO!!!

JIM: Do you want to maintain the Japanese roots of drifting and minimize profits?

Ryan: F**k nah, dude. Let's do whatever it takes to make lots of $$$$$. The Japanese roots won't get us paid, will it?

JIM: You're right. Let's blow this up..

Personally, I would try to make as much money out of this, too. These guys are lucky to be making money in the world of cars.

azndoc

Ross is sponsored by Falcon Tires.

And has been so for quite some time now.

I believe Yoshioka still drives in D1. He drives a new SC coupe now that last time I checked.

True FD isn't perfect, but neither is D1.

When money is involved in any kind of sport it changes people and certainly organizations who run events.

Sponsors want to see results and to make sure that their money is being used to the full effect for their benefit.

Organizations try to satisfy sponsors because without the sponsors the organization would not make money, without making money it is pointless to run a business which is exactly what FD and D1 is.

It's not a grassroot organization. It's a business.

I'm not takings sides here but you all should understand that a business exists to make money. Even if it doesn't make some people happy, it makes other people who pay to see the shows happy. That's all they care about.

Class dismissed.

KwKouki

so when will we see formulaD on CBS?

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when FL stops failing.

which means never I guess.

undesiredshoe

Its the driver of the car that makes him or her a threat to other competitors. Just look at Takumi and his stock ae86 trueno sprinter running the stock 4ag with just a cone filter and gutted cat, he beat so many modified cars down Mt. Akina that its not even funny anymore.

azndoc

That was retarded.

I should neg rep you for that.

But Takumi does rock though.

s13coupedrfter

Drift cars have NO BUSINESS being practical, fast, or functional. That's for racecar drivers. This is drifting.[/QUOTE]



So I guess real drift cars have to impractical, slow with no thought to function. I'm just trying to understand your logic.

When I built my car I want it to perform well like most people who go to the track. I don't want a car that's going to handle like shit go slow and break all the time.

Matej

Yeah D1 has been lame for the past couple years as well. 11 out of 12 drivers are running DG coilovers just to get on Tsuchiya's good side.
They should at least use them to lower their cars haha.

You're taking what he said said too literally.
That's why I'm getting tired of online forums. Everyone just wants to nitpick everything you say. Then you have to go back and explain yourself and post disclaimers with every post.
Obviously it's nice to have power and suspension among other things, but at the same time building a car to full out race spec just for sliding around is totally unecessary. In drifting you can do the same thing with 300hp that you'd do with 800hp.
Drifting is like the bosozoku of racing. Non-functional wings, unnecessary widebodies, big wheels, but hey, it looks cool sliding around and that's what I like.
Someone will probably chime in to disagree with me and present arguments for how all those things are functional in drifting haha.

KwKouki

well it seems logical to have proper suspension setups in a competitive environment. to say that a car is stupid because a car isnt dumped on its balls..............is stupid.

This is why you see so many ugly blown up cars in MSC, they dont give a fuck and they are having fun. They are impressing the people that matter.Thats what I love about drifting, I could care less how many points a judge is awarding me.

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Matej

Yeah MSC is cool because those guys are in it for fun.
And you don't see anyone idolizing professional drift cars anymore, but people are going crazy over old Sexy Knights pics, Burst, or Hlloween cars.
That should say something about what we like.

KwKouki

we need more MSC in our life

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azndoc

I truly believe that Just Drift's Top Drift is west coast's MSC version.

Seriously.

There are some bad ass cars that people bring out and they do it all for the love of it and not so much for the big sponsor money of the sport.

Granted I would be lying if I said that I didn't want at least a major tire sponsorship.

Paying for tires is so costly. Having someone paying for it would be awesome.

But that time isn't coming anytime soon.

deadpirate

i like how this thread went from talking about a pro drift teams issues with formula D, to a friggin formula D beauty contest and how formula D cars suck ass...

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Chaws15

This concept really irks me... It's a competition after all. I say let them come and show us how it's really done. Not this bias sh*t about how we're not giving the Americans a chance to stand their ground.

At the end of the day, it's to see who goes sideways the best. It would be fair for the Japs to kick the Americans' ass, and see who's left to fly. As the Zilvian philosophy goes, it's tough love. None of this pampering bs.

Edit: The OEM rule is not ruling against coilovers, per se, but anything other than bolt-on. So heavily modified suspension systems are out of the question. (This is coming from a pretty reliable resource).

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luftrofl

I'd imagine that there'd be a lot of people (read: anyone in a "serious"[lol] drift competition) who don't see it that way- especially with cash prizes on the line. Proper drifting setups will win the drift competitions and get you $$. Personally, I'd put $$ over better looks.

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DALAZ_68

why does shit get so much more complicated when things come to the states

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bigtom

Well I have a bit of experience with D1 and FD. They are both around to make money.

I do think its SCCA's place to have a non biased proctor at every event. The rules started as not modifying any OEM mounting points and anything else was ok. The 350Z and the G35 style cars struggled with this as well as a few others.

If SCCA is involved it is racing, but its not really racing.....why SCCA? Cheap event insurance....back to the $ again.

I dont like FD because it is nearly impossible for a privateer teem to enter a legit car. It will simply never make it no matter how well the team does. All other SCCA pro racing you build a car and get the right lisence via seat time and evaluation.

You can only enter FD through DD now I think.

SCCA needs to step up or dump FD. I would call the SCCA and let them know about the things you dont like about how the rules are addressed.

Thats my rant.

btw there isnt much difference between a drift car and a road race car except some suspension setting..

KwKouki

so does this mean that s13s with z32 uprights on the rear coilover arent legal to run?

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scca dosent have anything to do with formula D anymore

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ericcastro

Your off topic everyone

make the money drivers, please. But the problem is the rules arent as solid as they need to be. They are left to the interpritation of who ever wants to inspect the cars that day.
thats the problem.

like stated before, wheres the line. IMO, changing from leaf springs to coil overs is the same as changing to that laurel suspension rack. And if a fwd scion turned RWD isnt wrong then I dont know what is.

shouldn't it have to be a production car to be out there??

I mean really, for fucks sake, what race lets you just make a car up?? Nothing vagely legit. from drag, nascar, F-1,Indie, WRC, SCCA. theres fricken rules!! you dont just "make some shit up". the only made up shit is drag wheelie busses with jet engines in em used for exabition.


NASCAR has better and more solid rules, and i really hate NASCAR. But they make BIG MONEY, with BIG SPONSORS, with UNBIASED JUDGING. and they can do that because there are no maybes in the rule books.

the rules need to be in Absolutes, not what Jim Bob thinks is a suspention mod on any given day.

thats my rant I cant get into something where opinions run so much of what happens.

ericcastro

Agreed. And ASB as well (sorry I missed it)

these events us lucky SoCal guys get really are the heart of drifting.

but the problem is non of us really support formula D anymore. So they are left with the bandwagon/posers as fans. they wear all the gear, talk alot, and pose hard. but without the support of the mid and am level guy holding it up. formula D will colapse on itself.

just like X games

"but the problem is non of us really support X games skateboarding and gravity games anymore. So they are left with the posers as fans. they wear all the DC shoes, talk alot about some rail, and pose hard while filming some bails over some stairs they were never gonna land in the first place. but without the support of the mid and am level guy holding it up. skateboarding will colapse on itself.

If youv'e skateboarded for over 10 years now, you would remember this happening.

bigtom

wow thats how much i got away from FD.... i dont even know that....i hope it all works out. people need fun motorsports.