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axiomatik · 08-30-2007, 07:30 AM

Actually, the miata has gained quite a bit of weight. The first generation weighed in at less than 2200 lbs. The current model is about 2600 lbs. That's almost a 20% increase in curb weight. At least it isn't as bad as the scion xb. I just don't understand how that thing gained frickin 600 pounds. I suppose it doesn't matter, the new xb is so rediculously ugly, I doubt it will sell well. I have yet to see one of the new ones on the road.

Also, Cadillac is going after BMW and Mercedes. You saw the beginnings of that with the release of the last generation CTS/CTS-v and continuing with the new CTS. The CTS is aimed at the 3-series, though it is more 5-series in size. the -v models are analogous to BMW's M's and M-B's AMG. The XLR is meant to compete against Mercedes' large convertibles (forgot the model name). Obviously Cadillac isn't at their levels yet, since they haven't been building cars like that for nearly as long. But things are looking promising at Cadillac. I just wish Ford would do the same thing with Lincoln.

*exitspeed* · 08-30-2007, 07:35 AM

^
Also Cadillac is building a car underneath the CTS. A smaller RWD Sedan. Which will probably be more 3 series size.

OptionZero · 08-30-2007, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axiomatik

Actually, the miata has gained quite a bit of weight. The first generation weighed in at less than 2200 lbs. The current model is about 2600 lbs. That's almost a 20% increase in curb weight. At least it isn't as bad as the scion xb. I just don't understand how that thing gained frickin 600 pounds. I suppose it doesn't matter, the new xb is so rediculously ugly, I doubt it will sell well. I have yet to see one of the new ones on the road.

I've seen a couple of the newer xB's around here in San Francisco...but then, the people here are so tasteless they actually drive crap like the PT Cruiser convertible

Baka Sama · 08-30-2007, 10:09 AM

Im at a cross road... again. So many seemingly nice fr cars are coming out from kia/hyundai/toyota/nissan/cadillac/subaru. Im thinking if I should just wait a year or two and see what happens or just start yet another 240sx project?! >_< Ive been driving a 5speed ff for the past year and its painful I tell you..painful!

OptionZero, everytime I see your sig I wanna go buy a kouki, drop a V8 in it and call it a day.

sigh....
pictures of Kias fr concept that will debut in a few weeks
http://bp0.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/...rscoop_KIA.jpg

*exitspeed* · 08-30-2007, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Baka Sama

pictures of Kias fr concept that will debut in a few weeks
http://bp0.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/...rscoop_KIA.jpg

That's not bad looking. I'm still not gonna buy a KIA though.

Also, think about what these cars will do to the sport of drifting? Especially the pros where there's a lotta money.

wootwoot · 08-30-2007, 02:22 PM

1st gen Miata was 2090 and the current is 2414. Lighter then I expected honestly. I take your point though =)

Not only drifting though. I wanna see the Speed GT class get wild. It would be so much better with more manufacturers. Right now its just Porsche, Dodge, and Chevy. Aie!

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/diesel-two-stroke.htm

I want one a those in an auto. F e85 we need bio-diesel to take over

illvialuver · 08-30-2007, 04:55 PM

yeah, im glad that automakers are getting crazy with making cars that can be competetive.

my friend is a huge corvette fan, his first car was a 96vette( he actually deserved it, so dont assume spoiled kid) and even though now he has a s13 with an sr, he is always up on the vette news, and whats crazy is that the next generation base model will be as fast as te current z06, and that generation z06 wwill be even faster!!! i mean wtf? thats like faster than everything. and cheaper when you compare it to other cars in its speed range.

but the reason i bring this up is, its good competition .

dodge and chevy are at it like the us, and russia in the cold war. and its all about who can make a more bad ass, car. and its pushing both of them to new levels.

i would rather seee this on a day to day basis than the current sentra.
this is what i want to see in the our class of cars.

pwhitersxs · 08-31-2007, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdlong

i hate that phrase (though i don't disagree). a little uniqueness is good for everyone. if everyone makes a simple rwd coupe, then no one will make any real money because the market isn't that big. then they'll complain that the market won't support it and not make another one for 10 years.

just because another company is doing it, doesn't mean you have to too.

Furthering what cdlong posted, I too am wondering about the market if all of these cars come out at the same time. If that happens, the market becomes saturated and sales will not be as good as what was expected. Not everyone will be interested in a sports car. Hopefully, the new RWD cars coming out will be the next versions of cars already on the market (i.e. tiburon). This way sales will remain high and RWD cars will stay profitable for manufacturers.

One thing I learned as an engineering student is...The best designs are sometimes never manufactured because there is something else that is cheaper and still gets the job done. Wonder how the engineer's in the auto industry interpret that.

ONYX S-13 · 09-01-2007, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

That's not bad looking. I'm still not gonna buy a KIA though.

You sound like me like 4 years ago.. I eneded up buying one though for 3500 with only 53k on the ODO... Never broke down on me.. Only thing that went out (which was kinda big) was the heater core.. flipping thing cost 500 bucks for parts and labor...

I've put 32k on the ODO since then and it's still running strong, slooooooooowwwww but strong.

SimpleSexy180 · 09-01-2007, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

I've seen a couple of the newer xB's around here in San Francisco...but then, the people here are so tasteless they actually drive crap like the PT Cruiser convertible

IMO i think they changed the look because americans don't get the whole box van type style.

wootwoot · 09-01-2007, 12:07 PM

I have no problem with the new look of the xB. I have a problem with the fact it is now an Americanized joke that ran away from their original design principles. Boo.

Baka Sama · 09-01-2007, 03:24 PM

With Subaru supplying a 2.0 horizontally opposed boxer engine to Toyotas rwd coupe, it got me thinking of a few things. Subaru builds all their cars in a way that any engie can be interchanged in a fferent chasis. In other words WRX engines can be put in 2.5rs's and vice versa. That being said I wonder if this new rwd coupe will be the same.. Imagine doing a EJ25 swap in a 2400lb car. Just a thought

cdlong · 09-01-2007, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downshift180

IMO i think they changed the look because americans don't get the whole box van type style.

that's what toyota thought too, but it outsold what they thought would be their big seller, the xA like 2:1.

i like the new one because it looks like a chopped and smoothed first gen. like some hot rodder got a hold of one and got bored.

axiomatik · 09-04-2007, 10:24 AM

blech, the new xb looks like a corpse version of the old one, all lumpy and bloated. Toyota originally thought the xA was going to be the big seller of the Scion brand, but it turned out that the xB way outsold the xA, I think it was more than 2:1. It makes sense really, the xA just looks kind of cheap, while the xB at least has some style. Obviously Americans do "get" the box-van style, as the xB sold quite well. Then Toyota felt the need to "americanize" it, and now it's a ugly bloated turd. I think Toyota realized that the market thinks the thing looks rediculous. I saw a billboard in Portland that had a picture of the new xB, the text said: "Cons: Ugly......Pros: Ugly".

*exitspeed* · 09-04-2007, 10:33 AM

^
Spot on there.

Let's get back on topic.

Since we're talking about Scion, and RWD cars, I'm speculating that Toyota's 86 replacement that they are talking about being $15000 is gonna be a Scion.

illvialuver · 09-04-2007, 09:11 PM

i hope its not a scion, i think toyota would sell it better.

Kn1ves · 09-08-2007, 01:48 PM

Renault Laguna Coupe Concept

Not sure if it is infact RWD, but if it is, its one step closer creating a cost effective car. The Sedan version of this car is being powered by a 145HP Gas engine jointly developed by Nissan and Renault. With, I believe, if I'm understanding correctly, a 130HP and a 175HP diesel version.

The lines on this car are amazing! Im also excited at the fact that you can almost see this on the car itself

Baka Sama · 09-08-2007, 02:05 PM

^ Yes those are some really sexy lines. I love how the lines connect into the trunk lid and flow around the car.

wootwoot · 09-09-2007, 12:15 AM

rwd diesel.....I fucking wish. DREAM CAR

Forte EXE · 09-09-2007, 09:18 PM

Dunno if any of yall heard of it yet, but...

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...undai_tiburon/

*exitspeed* · 09-10-2007, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forte EXE

Dunno if any of yall heard of it yet, but...

http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...undai_tiburon/

Dunno if you read any of this thread, but...read it.

And as for that Renault Coupe, I really like it. I hope that's a better look at the next 240. The beltline doesn't look too racked. Luckily the tails are super concept-ish so we they won't look like that very much.

BOROSUN · 09-10-2007, 12:26 PM

that looks like a fwd car too me

OptionZero · 09-10-2007, 12:38 PM

the Renault is the coupe version of a family car (Laguna), so i believe it is FWD
it looks pretty nice, though

i just don't understand the point of heavy, FWD coupes
how many secretaries are there in this world?

*exitspeed* · 09-11-2007, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

i just don't understand the point of heavy, FWD coupes
how many secretaries are there in this world?

Many. Too many obviously. But it's dumb because they don't buy these FWD cars because they are FWD. They buy'em cause they look cute.

Baka Sama · 09-11-2007, 05:29 PM

VW getting in on the action..

Quote:

Production likely; U.S. availability possible

Volkswagen is reported to have put considerable effort into this rear-engine compact car project, with clear production ambitions. Rumors first began circulating about the project early this year.

A report out today indicates the "Up!" could well be headed to North America. Adrian Hallmark, head of Volkswagen of America, told Automotive News VW rarely shows a concept that isn't likely to be produced.

If the Up! is approved, Hallmark said he has told Volkswagen in Germany the American subsidiary is "highly interested" in the car.

Background

The new model will be something of a spiritual revival of the original Beetle, which had its engine in the back. Currently, the only other modern cars with a rear engine are the Porsche 911 and Smart ForTwo.

The project is the brainchild of Ferdinand Piëch — grandson of Beetle designer Ferdinand Porsche and nephew of Porsche AG founder Ferry Porsche. Piëch — who was once chairman of VW — reportedly convinced now-CEO Martin Winterkorn to proceed with the project.

While there are some obvious concerns with a rear-engine layout, VW sources said a sophisticated stability control system will make the vehicle easy and safe to drive

-Left Lane News

wootwoot · 09-11-2007, 05:48 PM

Need more information! Curious. I was recently told the base model Polo will be selling over here for 13k. If they can slide thing thing into the lineup somehow I would be much interested. (if it were diesel!)

OptionZero · 09-11-2007, 06:24 PM

they named a car "Up!"
someone should be shot

*exitspeed* · 09-14-2007, 11:31 AM

Toyota ? caught all wrapped up in camo.

It was cuaght on a Toyota transporter in Nagoya earlier this summer. Looks like it could be an MR2 replacement. At lease we know they are working on stuff!

ONYX S-13 · 09-14-2007, 07:20 PM

That'll be kinda cool if toyota made another Mr2 but with more power.. I mean I'd be happy even if it had like 170hp.

You really think Toyota would even consider another MR2 though when it looks like the sales of the last one didn't do too well?

Baka Sama · 09-14-2007, 07:27 PM

The last one didnt do well because it didnt have a freakin trunk! I mean come on, who buys a 20k car without a trunk?

08-30-2007, 07:30 AM	#301
axiomatik Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 4,697 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Actually, the miata has gained quite a bit of weight. The first generation weighed in at less than 2200 lbs. The current model is about 2600 lbs. That's almost a 20% increase in curb weight. At least it isn't as bad as the scion xb. I just don't understand how that thing gained frickin 600 pounds. I suppose it doesn't matter, the new xb is so rediculously ugly, I doubt it will sell well. I have yet to see one of the new ones on the road. Also, Cadillac is going after BMW and Mercedes. You saw the beginnings of that with the release of the last generation CTS/CTS-v and continuing with the new CTS. The CTS is aimed at the 3-series, though it is more 5-series in size. the -v models are analogous to BMW's M's and M-B's AMG. The XLR is meant to compete against Mercedes' large convertibles (forgot the model name). Obviously Cadillac isn't at their levels yet, since they haven't been building cars like that for nearly as long. But things are looking promising at Cadillac. I just wish Ford would do the same thing with Lincoln. __________________

08-30-2007, 07:35 AM	#302
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	^ Also Cadillac is building a car underneath the CTS. A smaller RWD Sedan. Which will probably be more 3 series size. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

08-30-2007, 02:22 PM	#306
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	1st gen Miata was 2090 and the current is 2414. Lighter then I expected honestly. I take your point though =) Not only drifting though. I wanna see the Speed GT class get wild. It would be so much better with more manufacturers. Right now its just Porsche, Dodge, and Chevy. Aie! http://auto.howstuffworks.com/diesel-two-stroke.htm I want one a those in an auto. F e85 we need bio-diesel to take over __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you Last edited by wootwoot; 08-30-2007 at 02:50 PM.. Reason: cause I diddnt wanna do another post

08-30-2007, 04:55 PM	#307
illvialuver Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: M-A-R-S... MARS BITCHES Age: 38 Posts: 5,065 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	yeah, im glad that automakers are getting crazy with making cars that can be competetive. my friend is a huge corvette fan, his first car was a 96vette( he actually deserved it, so dont assume spoiled kid) and even though now he has a s13 with an sr, he is always up on the vette news, and whats crazy is that the next generation base model will be as fast as te current z06, and that generation z06 wwill be even faster!!! i mean wtf? thats like faster than everything. and cheaper when you compare it to other cars in its speed range. but the reason i bring this up is, its good competition . dodge and chevy are at it like the us, and russia in the cold war. and its all about who can make a more bad ass, car. and its pushing both of them to new levels. i would rather seee this on a day to day basis than the current sentra. this is what i want to see in the our class of cars. Last edited by illvialuver; 08-30-2007 at 05:48 PM..

09-01-2007, 12:07 PM	#311
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have no problem with the new look of the xB. I have a problem with the fact it is now an Americanized joke that ran away from their original design principles. Boo. __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

08-30-2007, 10:09 AM	#304
Baka Sama Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Metro Atlanta Age: 37 Posts: 1,130 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Im at a cross road... again. So many seemingly nice fr cars are coming out from kia/hyundai/toyota/nissan/cadillac/subaru. Im thinking if I should just wait a year or two and see what happens or just start yet another 240sx project?! >_< Ive been driving a 5speed ff for the past year and its painful I tell you..painful! OptionZero, everytime I see your sig I wanna go buy a kouki, drop a V8 in it and call it a day. sigh.... pictures of Kias fr concept that will debut in a few weeks http://bp0.blogger.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/...rscoop_KIA.jpg

09-01-2007, 03:24 PM	#312
Baka Sama Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Metro Atlanta Age: 37 Posts: 1,130 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	With Subaru supplying a 2.0 horizontally opposed boxer engine to Toyotas rwd coupe, it got me thinking of a few things. Subaru builds all their cars in a way that any engie can be interchanged in a fferent chasis. In other words WRX engines can be put in 2.5rs's and vice versa. That being said I wonder if this new rwd coupe will be the same.. Imagine doing a EJ25 swap in a 2400lb car. Just a thought

09-04-2007, 10:24 AM	#314
axiomatik Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ATL Posts: 4,697 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	blech, the new xb looks like a corpse version of the old one, all lumpy and bloated. Toyota originally thought the xA was going to be the big seller of the Scion brand, but it turned out that the xB way outsold the xA, I think it was more than 2:1. It makes sense really, the xA just looks kind of cheap, while the xB at least has some style. Obviously Americans do "get" the box-van style, as the xB sold quite well. Then Toyota felt the need to "americanize" it, and now it's a ugly bloated turd. I think Toyota realized that the market thinks the thing looks rediculous. I saw a billboard in Portland that had a picture of the new xB, the text said: "Cons: Ugly......Pros: Ugly". __________________

09-04-2007, 10:33 AM	#315
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	^ Spot on there. Let's get back on topic. Since we're talking about Scion, and RWD cars, I'm speculating that Toyota's 86 replacement that they are talking about being $15000 is gonna be a Scion. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

09-04-2007, 09:11 PM	#316
illvialuver Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: M-A-R-S... MARS BITCHES Age: 38 Posts: 5,065 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	i hope its not a scion, i think toyota would sell it better.

09-08-2007, 01:48 PM	#317
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Renault Laguna Coupe Concept Not sure if it is infact RWD, but if it is, its one step closer creating a cost effective car. The Sedan version of this car is being powered by a 145HP Gas engine jointly developed by Nissan and Renault. With, I believe, if I'm understanding correctly, a 130HP and a 175HP diesel version. The lines on this car are amazing! Im also excited at the fact that you can almost see this on the car itself __________________ there's something here

09-08-2007, 02:05 PM	#318
Baka Sama Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Metro Atlanta Age: 37 Posts: 1,130 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ Yes those are some really sexy lines. I love how the lines connect into the trunk lid and flow around the car.

09-09-2007, 12:15 AM	#319
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	rwd diesel.....I fucking wish. DREAM CAR __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

09-09-2007, 09:18 PM	#320
Forte EXE Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 318 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Dunno if any of yall heard of it yet, but... http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...undai_tiburon/ __________________

09-10-2007, 12:26 PM	#322
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that looks like a fwd car too me

09-10-2007, 12:38 PM	#323
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	the Renault is the coupe version of a family car (Laguna), so i believe it is FWD it looks pretty nice, though i just don't understand the point of heavy, FWD coupes how many secretaries are there in this world?

09-11-2007, 05:48 PM	#326
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Need more information! Curious. I was recently told the base model Polo will be selling over here for 13k. If they can slide thing thing into the lineup somehow I would be much interested. (if it were diesel!) __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

09-11-2007, 06:24 PM	#327
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	they named a car "Up!" someone should be shot

09-14-2007, 11:31 AM	#328
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Toyota ? caught all wrapped up in camo. It was cuaght on a Toyota transporter in Nagoya earlier this summer. Looks like it could be an MR2 replacement. At lease we know they are working on stuff! __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

09-14-2007, 07:20 PM	#329
ONYX S-13 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Laguna Niguel (O.C.) Posts: 1,301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	That'll be kinda cool if toyota made another Mr2 but with more power.. I mean I'd be happy even if it had like 170hp. You really think Toyota would even consider another MR2 though when it looks like the sales of the last one didn't do too well?

09-14-2007, 07:27 PM	#330
Baka Sama Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Metro Atlanta Age: 37 Posts: 1,130 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The last one didnt do well because it didnt have a freakin trunk! I mean come on, who buys a 20k car without a trunk?

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