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GabeS14 · 09-19-2010, 03:14 PM

I would get the rear camber arms and rear toe arms since it'll be slammed it'll make it easier to
Adjust your alignment correctly

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Weedm · 09-19-2010, 04:34 PM

You really dont need to get any aftermarket suspension parts if you get coilovers. the only downside to that is, the more you lower your car, the more work you're putting to the components as the suspension geometry is altered. however, the main noticeable issue when lowering your car with coils and leaving everything else alone is the naturally made negative camber that occurs when you lower your car, but that only does bad to your tire, not your entire car.

so if you have extra money laying around i'd suggest purchasing some rear upper control arms and toe arms for alignment and adjusting purposes.

fastbackinit · 09-20-2010, 06:41 AM

I read this last week and just now got to where I can post, haha. Anuways, if all you want is stance then forget $500+ for coilovers... Get some ebay springs with adjustable coilover collars... They work for looks and they're like $100-150. They work with your stock struts/shocks and are adjustable with smple spanner wrenches that are included. Make sure u get 3.5inch drops though, as 2.5 pro bably won't achieve what your lookin for. Just my option. Alsp get a used tire sponsor cuz drops like that are gonna kill your tires.

Datenshi · 09-20-2010, 07:13 AM

^ Ignore this entire post.

You still have a lot of learning to do.

codyace · 09-20-2010, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weedm

You really dont need to get any aftermarket suspension parts if you get coilovers. the only downside to that is, the more you lower your car, the more work you're parting to the components as the suspension geometry is altered. however, the main noticeable issue when lowering your car with coils and leaving everything else alone is the naturally made negative camber that occurs when you lower your car, but that only does bad to your tire, not your entire car.

so if you have extra money laying around i'd suggest purchasing some rear upper control arms and toe arms for alignment and adjusting purposes.

Toe is what eats tires fast, not so much camber. Have you ever actually aligned a car, or driven one at specific settings to know? I have...so why not just accept what I have written.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastbackinit

I read this last week and just now got to where I can post, haha. Anuways, if all you want is stance then forget $500+ for coilovers... Get some ebay springs with adjustable coilover collars... They work for looks and they're like $100-150. They work with your stock struts/shocks and are adjustable with smple spanner wrenches that are included. Make sure u get 3.5inch drops though, as 2.5 pro bably won't achieve what your lookin for. Just my option. Alsp get a used tire sponsor cuz drops like that are gonna kill your tires.

You're intentions are good...the reality is, how on earth are you going to fix:

1. Riding on the bumpstops
2. Avoiding blowing the actual strut

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tulok

Don't even worry about the RUCA (Rear upper control arm) unless you plan on tucking 18's on the rear.
Install your coilovers, get an alignment, if your rear toe is really far off, THEN get the rear toe arms. Coilovers are just fancy struts and springs, your suspensions basic shape doesn't change just by installing them.

Yes, riding around at 3* or more of negative camber really does a lot of good. *2 degrees max, unless the car is some sort of fashion rider.

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Originally Posted by soleprime

so basically the essentials if you're just trying to lower your 240 to get a nice stance would be: ruca and rear toe arms from what im hearing so far.

Technically yes. Look at what Mano suggested as well in regard to your front bushings, as they will undoubtedly be shot as well.

To be quite honest, if you're car will see most of it's life on the street, I'd suggest going this route:

ISIS Suspension Arms Package

380 dollars for the ISIS kit from 240sx Motoring...gets you the front tension arms that you'll need, as well as all 3 of the rear arms for the back (granted you won't need the traction arm 'as much' but for the cost of the kit, it's a no brainer to just simply upgrade.

As before, do you need this stuff? Not at all...but at easily 100 dollars a tire, plus mounting and balance.....after you change them twice in no miles because they are shot, you'll actually save money by just buying the arms, getting the car aligned professionally, and calling it a day.

Weedm · 09-20-2010, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by codyace

Toe is what eats tires fast, not so much camber. Have you ever actually aligned a car, or driven one at specific settings to know? I have...so why not just accept what I have written.

I just redid my alignment 2 weeks ago myself, as well as installed my rear toe links and rucas. Before so, i drove with the coils at the lowest setting, and the only difference was the negative camber, toe specs did not change, or at least not merely enough to notice. However, once I added more positive camber, both rear wheels had a bit of toe out and made the car wander like crazy, so I then adjusted them again to have -1 camber, and that fixed the wandering problem. All in all though, that was done by eye balling and using strings to measure toe.

Of course toe has a more significant effect on tire wear as opposed to camber, but most of the cars i've driven with only slammed coils and nothing else done to the suspension, are not exactly altered by toe, as it barely changes at all. It's when you put more positive camber that the toe adjusts itself.

So again, the OP want's to just get coils and slam them without upgrading other suspension components, and that would be fine, and like I stated, the only downside to that is camber wear from the natural negative camber. He shouldnt be affected by toe.

Edit: I never said I didn't accept what you have written, my intentions were to merely add more insight to the OP from a different perspective and words. Sometimes, one may grasp a concept better when given the correct information from 2 sources. All your statements and suggestions were good ones. Good day.

soleprime · 09-20-2010, 06:46 PM

thank you everyone for all your advice and input on this topic, as i'm sure it has shed some light to some of the other members questions as well as mine, since im so new to all this, this post has helped me a lot, in conclusion i think im going to go with tein coils and the isis suspension arms package that codyace suggested, thank you to everybody

codyace · 09-20-2010, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weedm

Of course toe has a more significant effect on tire wear as opposed to camber, but most of the cars i've driven with only slammed coils and nothing else done to the suspension, are not exactly altered by toe, as it barely changes at all. It's when you put more positive camber that the toe adjusts itself.

Considering I align cars quite often, you'd be surprized of how much toe you'll gain by dropping a car on it's bumpstops. In most cases when guys drop their car 2"+, you'll see a total of 1/4 or more in toe change...that's HUGE. Sure it may track somewhat straight, but they are all usually darty (combined with horrible tie rod angle) and unpredictable. Trust me, once you ride in a car with good roll correction and tie rod angle, you'll know the difference.

Remember, even as little as an 1/8" will cause more scrub wear than -3* of camber...that's from my personal experience, as well as common knowledge across the board. Camber wears the tire obviously at an angle, but at an even rate...toe however will rub an edge off in no time flat, especially in an instance where there is already significant wear on the tire.

For the 100th time, does he need these things? No. Will it kill tires quickly if you don't fix the problem? Yes.

For the cost of the ISIS or Circuit sports kits, and the coilovers, it is just common sense/practice to get them and set it properly.

FWIW: Just got done aligning a car literally this evening. Front toe (never been changed this side of coilvoers) was a full 1/4 total.

jdhariwal · 09-21-2010, 10:36 AM

Just get some Tien's, I heard that Megan Coilovers are very low quality. If you are on a super low budget, there is Godspeed. I talked to some guys that work in the industry, and they said that Godspeed coilovers are made in the same factory and many other coilovers, their are just branded something else.

codyace · 09-21-2010, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdhariwal

Just get some Tien's, I heard that Megan Coilovers are very low quality. If you are on a super low budget, there is Godspeed. I talked to some guys that work in the industry, and they said that Godspeed coilovers are made in the same factory and many other coilovers, their are just branded something else.

Oh boy, another SuperStreet reader

Oh please, let me know why you'd get the Teins. I'm sure you can recite the brochures and whatever propaganda they have on the website, but I'd like to know your 'honest' opinion.

Datenshi · 09-21-2010, 01:02 PM

^Rofl

No one on the internet has their "own" opinion anymore, especially with car parts. It's all regurgitated from everything they've read from other noobs. lol.

Megans VERY low quality? No, not really.

As for Godspeed's, refer to this post. http://zilvia.net/f/s-chassis/343725...er-issues.html

Tell me they are good quality LOL.

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09-19-2010, 04:34 PM	#32
Weedm Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle / Portland Age: 30 Posts: 902 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	You really dont need to get any aftermarket suspension parts if you get coilovers. the only downside to that is, the more you lower your car, the more work you're putting to the components as the suspension geometry is altered. however, the main noticeable issue when lowering your car with coils and leaving everything else alone is the naturally made negative camber that occurs when you lower your car, but that only does bad to your tire, not your entire car. so if you have extra money laying around i'd suggest purchasing some rear upper control arms and toe arms for alignment and adjusting purposes. __________________ Last edited by Weedm; 09-20-2010 at 01:44 PM..

09-20-2010, 06:41 AM	#33
fastbackinit Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Greensboro NC Posts: 38 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I read this last week and just now got to where I can post, haha. Anuways, if all you want is stance then forget $500+ for coilovers... Get some ebay springs with adjustable coilover collars... They work for looks and they're like $100-150. They work with your stock struts/shocks and are adjustable with smple spanner wrenches that are included. Make sure u get 3.5inch drops though, as 2.5 pro bably won't achieve what your lookin for. Just my option. Alsp get a used tire sponsor cuz drops like that are gonna kill your tires. __________________ 89' s13 ka-e SINGLE SLAMMERS UNITE!

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09-20-2010, 07:13 AM	#34
Datenshi Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 91 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ Ignore this entire post. You still have a lot of learning to do.

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soleprime Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: brooklyn Age: 34 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	thank you everyone for all your advice and input on this topic, as i'm sure it has shed some light to some of the other members questions as well as mine, since im so new to all this, this post has helped me a lot, in conclusion i think im going to go with tein coils and the isis suspension arms package that codyace suggested, thank you to everybody

09-21-2010, 10:36 AM	#39
jdhariwal Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 589 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Just get some Tien's, I heard that Megan Coilovers are very low quality. If you are on a super low budget, there is Godspeed. I talked to some guys that work in the industry, and they said that Godspeed coilovers are made in the same factory and many other coilovers, their are just branded something else.

09-21-2010, 01:02 PM	#41
Datenshi Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Toronto Posts: 91 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^Rofl No one on the internet has their "own" opinion anymore, especially with car parts. It's all regurgitated from everything they've read from other noobs. lol. Megans VERY low quality? No, not really. As for Godspeed's, refer to this post. http://zilvia.net/f/s-chassis/343725...er-issues.html Tell me they are good quality LOL.