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*Wake* · 08-09-2011, 02:35 AM

Just because its the internet doesnt mean its not serious. Thats the problem with these conversations.

@kingkilburn - We believe we are called Mongoloids

DJDANGER24 · 08-09-2011, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

Just because its the internet doesnt mean its not serious. Thats the problem with these conversations.

@kingkilburn - We believe we are called Mongoloids

right back at ya, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

your turn

*Wake* · 08-09-2011, 02:48 AM

uh what?

I just happened across this. Funny timing.

sidewaysil80 · 08-09-2011, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Why do you think the army and marine corps are made up of mostly minorities, with African Americans being the largest group?

dude you have some warped figures. i've been a marine for 7 years and thats def not the case. either way it's a 100% un biased and predjudice free enviroment. minority has nothing to do with it. he's just saying that if you absolutley are doing everything you can to better yourself and it's not working out...a four year stint in the military is a giant boost that sets you up for future success.

fullthrottle · 08-09-2011, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingbaby

<-----been harassed his whole life aswell!

brought my first car!

nothing but the ugliest looks

get pulled over in my new first car

"Is this yours" comments

5 years later still!

"proof of ownership" comments

I like nice things!

buy nice ass watches...

"can you afford this" comments

"no lay away" comments

I'll end with some Kanye West

"EVEN IF YOU IN A NISMO YOU STILL A N***** IN A COUPE"

I'll go back to Africa, I've been there. If they (various people) stop rapping the continent!

I'd like to comment on your posts.

Your first comment about your new car. Cops pay attention to all people who look 16. It's a cops job to enforce the law. A new driver is more likely to not be following the law. I got pulled over more often when I was 16 than I do now and I have the same driving habits now.

Is this yours comment: if you are 16-18 it's very probably you don't own a car yet.

Proof of ownership comment: they ask for registration everytime you get pulled over. How is this remotely racist.

Buy nice ass watches: did you walk in there looking like a bum? I've been asked when new car shopping if I can afford their cars and I simply state I wouldn't be looking if I couldn't. Easy as that.

No lay away: if you aren't a broke ass what do you need layaway for. Seems that guy selling watches read you well.

And I'm glad you quoted kanye west. As if he isn't the staple of uneducated people making money. Don't quote him like he's anybody worth hearing speak.

bb4_96 · 08-09-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Why do you think the army and marine corps are made up of mostly minorities, with African Americans being the largest group?

It doesn't feel anything like it when you're there. Of this i can speak.

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

And I agree I think class has as much to do with it as race.

Badass concession

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

my whole original point, if anyone remembers was that its hard if not impossible for one to put themselves in another races shoes, in regards to specific situations, such as dealing with law enforcement.

Agree*10000000000000

Obviously black people are going to face struggles as have always. I just don't like the way its made out to be as hopeless and neverending as it is. There are choices that are made that perpetuate this just as much as historic events. History stands, I get that a people were bred, but to present the fact as anything other than a trivial fact is detrimental. How is anyone ever supposed to have any self worth when they think that way. The thought that one is a product of unfavorable breeding and the thought that one will be something of value to society one day don't exactly go hand in hand. I can't pretend to know what it's like to be another race but I know if I thought like that it would negatively effect my self image.

I hope I live to see the end of the race issue. I've seen racism down in my mind and seen it dwindle in my family and friends. I hope to see some return though.

To go back to the original post of the video. He got his kid back because he knew the law. Had he pushed a race issue instead of a procedural one I don't see it ending the same.

Kingbaby · 08-09-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by fullthrottle

I'd like to comment on your posts.

Your first comment about your new car. Cops pay attention to all people who look 16. It's a cops job to enforce the law. A new driver is more likely to not be following the law. I got pulled over more often when I was 16 than I do now and I have the same driving habits now.

Is this yours comment: if you are 16-18 it's very probably you don't own a car yet.

Proof of ownership comment: they ask for registration everytime you get pulled over. How is this remotely racist.

Buy nice ass watches: did you walk in there looking like a bum? I've been asked when new car shopping if I can afford their cars and I simply state I wouldn't be looking if I couldn't. Easy as that.

No lay away: if you aren't a broke ass what do you need layaway for. Seems that guy selling watches read you well.

And I'm glad you quoted kanye west. As if he isn't the staple of uneducated people making money. Don't quote him like he's anybody worth hearing speak.

I wish my friend you where right!

I'm not going to goninto everything. From your responses you along with other people still don't see where I was coming from with some of the situations.

I was 24 and and E-5 in the military when buying my first car!

Still at 28 with a wife and kid. My car at first glance isn't mines!

When does a cop ask for liscense registration?

Cop: hey is this your car
Me: yes sir
Cop: let me see the registration and some ID
Me: Roger that

Lmao funny every time it happen, sad that half the time I've never gotten a ticket, and I have gotten many tickets.

I don't wear long t-shirts or baggy pants!

These nice watches or 6-800 nothing super expensive! Why the need to state that there is no payment plan or lay away to me.

Happen many of times! That's what I'm trying to point out with that kanye west line. You clearly couldn't grasp.

It means even though I am an upper middle class African American. It doesn't mean shit.

Do you understand now?

I wish that at the end of life when we all at the gates I along with others playback moments in 1080p HD from every angle imaginable. So that you non colored folks get the picture!

Cause these damn words do nothing!

theicecreamdan · 08-09-2011, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fullthrottle

I'd like to comment on your posts.

Your first comment about your new car. Cops pay attention to all people who look 16. It's a cops job to enforce the law. A new driver is more likely to not be following the law. I got pulled over more often when I was 16 than I do now and I have the same driving habits now.

yokotas13 · 08-09-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

What the FUCK is wrong with you? Seriously? Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

This is not flaming or trolling. I am stupefied by this comment.

EDIT
Go find what we call each other versus what the government has decided we will be called. Are we ni__ers, negros, afro-american- african american or black? Maybe we are Negroids. All of those were accepted terms at one point but did anyone bother to ask us what we want to be called. Fuck no. So we took what they wished to beat us down with a gained strength from it and built a new identity.
Your and others ignorance on this whole subject is showing how far we have to go before there is any sort of unity in America.

You truly don't understand and you seemingly have no wish to.

calling yourself something other than american, does nothing but damage the sense of unity...

and yes i know this whole topic is way off topic

*kingkilburn* · 08-09-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

@kingkilburn - We believe we are called Mongoloids

Mongoloids are Asians. As in East asians not India or Arabs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullthrottle

I'd like to comment on your posts.

Your first comment about your new car. Cops pay attention to all people who look 16. It's a cops job to enforce the law. A new driver is more likely to not be following the law. I got pulled over more often when I was 16 than I do now and I have the same driving habits now.

Is this yours comment: if you are 16-18 it's very probably you don't own a car yet.

Proof of ownership comment: they ask for registration everytime you get pulled over. How is this remotely racist.

Buy nice ass watches: did you walk in there looking like a bum? I've been asked when new car shopping if I can afford their cars and I simply state I wouldn't be looking if I couldn't. Easy as that.

No lay away: if you aren't a broke ass what do you need layaway for. Seems that guy selling watches read you well.

And I'm glad you quoted kanye west. As if he isn't the staple of uneducated people making money. Don't quote him like he's anybody worth hearing speak.

Have you ever been in the situation where the cop's first words to you are asking you to step out of the car and the second words are where did you steal this car?

Do you know how insulting that is?

Kingbaby · 08-09-2011, 11:38 AM

Makes you wanna quit

*kingkilburn* · 08-09-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by yokotas13

calling yourself something other than american, does nothing but damage the sense of unity...

and yes i know this whole topic is way off topic

Are you a troll or just stupid?

You sit there saying the most ignorant crap that is deeply insulting and then bounce on the subject when you have no reply. Then you try to slyly work it from another angle that you think can make you sound like a smart level headed person.

*Wake* · 08-09-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Mongoloids are Asians. As in East asians not India or Arabs.

I know, it was a joke.

In American history X they refer to us as mongoloids. So did dave chappele.

*kingkilburn* · 08-09-2011, 01:20 PM

Gotcha. lol I haven't seen that movie in years.

NissanEnthus · 08-09-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

I know, it was a joke.

In American history X they refer to us as mongoloids. So did dave chappele.

...I got that one right away...funny thing is I just saw American History X last week

Kingbaby · 08-09-2011, 01:57 PM

Great movie!

***FaLKoN240*** · 08-09-2011, 02:46 PM

Nice to see every thread on Zilvia where there is a black guy and a white guy turn into some sort of debate.

What you fail to realize is you were both arguing from two totally different topics of conversation, and never really tried to see where the other was coming from.

Now while I do agree that some groups have priorities set in the wrong place, and that is why they're in the situation they're in, I also agree that there are some prejudices that some people have to overcome regardless of their skin color.

The only thing we can do to overcome stereotypes is to not act/be them.

You may not be a stereotype but the average person WILL be. Stereotypes exist for a reason, regardless of weather or not they're right or wrong.

Adversely challenge someone that would press a stereotype upon you, and change their mind.

Becoming open minded doesn't just happen, it takes opportunity and experience.

For every time there was a cop that pulled you over for profiling you, I'm sure you blew his socks off, right? He probably ended up letting you go because you were SUCH a model citizen, I'm sure.

Because you weren't perpetuating any sort of stereotype and he had no reason to assume you weren't some car thief, or some asshole with a chip on his shoulder.

Cops do have a stressful job, and they're not sure how you're going to react. But I'm sure they can guess based on dealing with people of similar skin color/type/race or whatever it may be.

(After all them pulling you over isn't already putting you in a bad mood.)

Regardless of how you feel it is a confrontation between Johnny Law and Mr. ideal Zilvian.

Instead of always being on the side of the victim, think about how the cop feels when he pulls you over, and why he might have some hostility towards you.

Does he know you're unarmed because you drive a BMW, Benz, or 240SX? Would it be safe to assume not?

All I'm saying is, if you guys are going to have an argument, before hottily replying to one another, take into account what they're really saying and why they might be saying it so that you can have a discussion rather than an argument.

Kingbaby · 08-09-2011, 03:01 PM

I haven't even started to argue!

I'm trying to get a situation across!

*kingkilburn* · 08-09-2011, 03:03 PM

Who better to see both sides than a 20 something half black half white male?

lol

Kingbaby · 08-09-2011, 03:22 PM

Being mixed is a blessing!

My son is half black half chinese!

I cry and smile at the life he has to live!

*Wake* · 08-09-2011, 03:59 PM

Im black american, dominican and venezuelan

but people assume Im black and white.

So I would say the three major "black" contributers in this thread probably have the most equal view of both sides.
And while I may not be able to completely put myself in a cops shoes. Im sure that they have already made assumptions about me in order to decide to pull me over. That is the inherent problem with this argument.

Kingbaby · 08-09-2011, 04:13 PM

I always wonder why they pull me over....

I look over like!

How can I help you officer...

***FaLKoN240*** · 08-09-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingbaby

Being mixed is a blessing!

My son is half black half chinese!

I cry and smile at the life he has to live!

Yeah, so am I.

It's not a big deal.

When you start identifying more often than not the bullshit cops have to put up with from our "stereotypes" the more you start to identify with them.

You can't change how the cop's attitude when he enters the interaction you two are about to have, but you can change the way he thinks about you afterwards.

Think about that. Some people are way too reactionary.

dat411kid · 08-09-2011, 05:24 PM

^The thread needed that to lighten up the mood...

haha

*Wake* · 08-09-2011, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

Yeah, so am I.

It's not a big deal.

When you start identifying more often than not the bullshit cops have to put up with from our "stereotypes" the more you start to identify with them.

You can't change how the cop's attitude when he enters the interaction you two are about to have, but you can change the way he thinks about you afterwards.

Think about that. Some people are way too reactionary.

I agree people are waaay to reactionary.

However we are talking more about cause than effect.

***FaLKoN240*** · 08-09-2011, 06:24 PM

The cause is one of those things he was talking about.

Something you cannot change.

It is something you must accept.

The only thing you have the ability to do is be an example for other people, and use that ability to try to influence others.

*Wake* · 08-09-2011, 06:37 PM

Agreed.

Which all of the "black people' in this thread have said they try to do. Unfortunately that is hardly the sentiment of the masses. As you know.

bb4_96 · 08-11-2011, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

The cause is one of those things he was talking about.

Something you cannot change.

It is something you must accept.

The only thing you have the ability to do is be an example for other people, and use that ability to try to influence others.

I sincerely hope you are in a position to influence many.

***FaLKoN240*** · 08-11-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bb4_96

I sincerely hope you are in a position to influence many.

I have had enough positive African American role models in my life to know how to act, and seen enough negatively conceived African Americans to know how not to act.

Also, often I have been told that I'm not black at all, but that's because the generalization of the African American male is to speak incorrectly, be inconsiderate, and be perceived as someone of low intelligence.

I don't talk much to people I don't know.

But then again, I look Filipino to a lot of people that aren't racially aware.

bb4_96 · 08-11-2011, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaLKoN240

I have had enough positive African American role models in my life to know how to act, and seen enough negatively conceived African Americans to know how not to act.

Also, often I have been told that I'm not black at all, but that's because the generalization of the African American male is to speak incorrectly, be inconsiderate, and be perceived as someone of low intelligence.

I don't talk much to people I don't know.

But then again, I look Filipino to a lot of people that aren't racially aware.

One would think that would be the goal... Maintain a less conspicuous profile, blend, and reap all the rewards.

08-09-2011, 02:35 AM	#151
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 38 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Just because its the internet doesnt mean its not serious. Thats the problem with these conversations. @kingkilburn - We believe we are called Mongoloids __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

08-09-2011, 02:48 AM	#153
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 38 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	uh what? I just happened across this. Funny timing. __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

08-09-2011, 01:20 PM	#164
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08-09-2011, 02:46 PM	#167
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 16,761 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	Nice to see every thread on Zilvia where there is a black guy and a white guy turn into some sort of debate. What you fail to realize is you were both arguing from two totally different topics of conversation, and never really tried to see where the other was coming from. Now while I do agree that some groups have priorities set in the wrong place, and that is why they're in the situation they're in, I also agree that there are some prejudices that some people have to overcome regardless of their skin color. The only thing we can do to overcome stereotypes is to not act/be them. You may not be a stereotype but the average person WILL be. Stereotypes exist for a reason, regardless of weather or not they're right or wrong. Adversely challenge someone that would press a stereotype upon you, and change their mind. Becoming open minded doesn't just happen, it takes opportunity and experience. For every time there was a cop that pulled you over for profiling you, I'm sure you blew his socks off, right? He probably ended up letting you go because you were SUCH a model citizen, I'm sure. Because you weren't perpetuating any sort of stereotype and he had no reason to assume you weren't some car thief, or some asshole with a chip on his shoulder. Cops do have a stressful job, and they're not sure how you're going to react. But I'm sure they can guess based on dealing with people of similar skin color/type/race or whatever it may be. (After all them pulling you over isn't already putting you in a bad mood.) Regardless of how you feel it is a confrontation between Johnny Law and Mr. ideal Zilvian. Instead of always being on the side of the victim, think about how the cop feels when he pulls you over, and why he might have some hostility towards you. Does he know you're unarmed because you drive a BMW, Benz, or 240SX? Would it be safe to assume not? All I'm saying is, if you guys are going to have an argument, before hottily replying to one another, take into account what they're really saying and why they might be saying it so that you can have a discussion rather than an argument. __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

08-09-2011, 03:03 PM	#169
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Who better to see both sides than a 20 something half black half white male? lol __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

08-09-2011, 03:59 PM	#171
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 38 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Im black american, dominican and venezuelan but people assume Im black and white. So I would say the three major "black" contributers in this thread probably have the most equal view of both sides. And while I may not be able to completely put myself in a cops shoes. Im sure that they have already made assumptions about me in order to decide to pull me over. That is the inherent problem with this argument. __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

08-09-2011, 05:24 PM	#174
dat411kid Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: NY Age: 35 Posts: 661 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	^The thread needed that to lighten up the mood... haha __________________ http://www.leg1t.com

08-09-2011, 06:24 PM	#176
*FaLKoN240* Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 16,761 Trader Rating: (73) Feedback Score: 73 reviews	The cause is one of those things he was talking about. Something you cannot change. It is something you must accept. The only thing you have the ability to do is be an example for other people, and use that ability to try to influence others. __________________ Best way to do business with me? Make your best offer FIRST.

08-09-2011, 06:37 PM	#177
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 38 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Agreed. Which all of the "black people' in this thread have said they try to do. Unfortunately that is hardly the sentiment of the masses. As you know. __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

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