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05-28-2008, 09:59 PM | #874 | |
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05-29-2008, 09:16 AM | #876 |
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That's cause C&D are the biggest 3 Series nut swingers out there. I don't know how they would come to that conclusion.
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05-29-2008, 09:16 AM | #877 |
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yeah, I read the article, and alot of the decisions in the scoring seemed to be based on opinion rather than hard numbers. I can't say I agree or disagree without having the cars in front of me, so guess you gotta go with what they say.
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05-29-2008, 09:20 AM | #879 | |
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I wouldn't be surprised if they put it up against a Veyron in a perfoamrnce test and gave the win to the M3. I let my subscription expire with them because of shit like that.
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05-29-2008, 05:32 PM | #881 |
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the 3er has been a benchmark for cars since the E30. same with the 5 series. the M versions were even on a different level, raising the bar from the ealy days. M cars arent really balls out cars. i always explain it this way. they're never the best at anything. but they do everything very very well. thats what sets them apart from others. on top of that, they have a soul. sounds silly, but thats how i feel. you cant really take the history away from them. we all know that the GTR has been around for a while. but its a new beast for most of the C&D guys. you cant jock the guys for liking what they're used to. they've experienced P cars before, too. the GTR is a totally new beast. i will confess, i'd prefer to have an E92 M3 or a 997 over the nissan. sometimes all out performance gets trumped. for me it does anyways. hard to explain.
but on another note. C&D has always swung on hondas nuts, too. ever notice that? its never bothered me, because im a huge fan of both marques.
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06-03-2008, 09:53 AM | #882 |
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Autoblog finally chimed in on the C&D M3 vs GTR vs Turbo BS. They reiterate what I said about C&D's bias towards the 3 Series.
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/06/03/b...n-gt-r-and-91/ Car & Driver is a common choice as bathroom reader around Autoblog HQ, though thumbing through the latest issue had us contemplating using the glossy pages for TP. C&D got its hands on Nissan's new GT-R and its development benchmark, the Porsche 911 Turbo. That's great so far, as everyone wants to know how the Nissan stacks up against its bogey. The trouble comes when a BMW M3 gets tossed into the mix. What? The M3 is a hell of a car and it clearly earns its perennial 10-Best status, but it's outgunned and mismatched in this company. Somehow it managed to win a three-way comparo with two supercars anyway. The explanation given was that the M3 attended as the "voice of reason" and gosh, just happened to be everyone's favorite. It's no great leap to imagine that the smallest, lightest car with sedan lineage would feel lighter on its feet and be a better everyday conveyance than two purpose built supercars. Thanks for the detective work, guys, but we think the M3 is a bit wide of the bullseye at which the GT-R and 911 were aimed. It's long been grumbled that C&D is in cahoots with this automaker or that one (an accusation that's been levied against every one of the big four major auto publications at one point or another), and the outcome of this comparo will surely fan those flames. We call foul on a few levels. The larger issue is the poppycock categories of "Fun to Drive" and the even more preposterous "Gotta Have It Factor" that arguably allow comparison results to be twisted one way or another, but also the reasoning for bringing the M3 knife to a big, turbocharged coupe gunfight is flawed. GT-R and 911 Turbo buyers don't strike us as the type of folks who might cross shop the M3. They want a range-topper, not a segment-pole-sitter. Here's the real deal - ignoring the noise of the M3, the GT-R spanks the 911 Turbo on the track, while the Porsche feels like a more quality piece (at double the price, it'd better). While both cars sport AWD chassis that vector torque, the Nissan is quicker on its feet and dramaless where the Porsche is swinging wide. Both are a total hoot to drive, but the GT-R team definitely bested its development target as far as raw performance goes. Controversy will undoubtedly sell dead trees, though, and you can't really blame an increasingly irrelevant buff book for trying to find a hook. Take pity - hit the link and share some traffic. Thanks to all our incredulous tipsters.
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06-03-2008, 10:07 AM | #883 | |
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06-19-2008, 11:20 AM | #885 |
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That thing is ugly as F.
flat black should be reserved for hot rods and the rauh welt porsche. yeah i spelled it wrong. S my D
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06-19-2008, 11:29 AM | #887 |
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what?
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06-19-2008, 11:36 AM | #889 |
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Oh ok.
I couldn't figure out why you went through puberty when you read my thoughts. I didn't know I was such a turn on.
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06-19-2008, 12:04 PM | #891 |
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I like it. Looks sharp.
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06-19-2008, 01:05 PM | #894 |
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what a shame
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06-19-2008, 03:30 PM | #899 |
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Ya that Matte Black looks pretty fucking Evil. In a good way. Something Sinister comes this way.
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