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Old 06-01-2014, 07:48 PM   #61
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No buddy I NEVER even told you your motor was blown. I said the 20 year old unknown mileage turbo went out on me. You could move the coldside 5mm or more by hand. It's impossible to hear anything over a slapping turbo.
I said replace the turbo with a junker and keep cost down to possibly dig into your oiling problem. Period end of story. Never said the motor was nuked.

I just found out 2 days ago or so that motor did spin a bearing. I have been working nonstop getting customer cars out including today. I don't get days or time off man I don't have the luxuries of constantly calling you. It wasn't a tune matter anyway.

They just found out the motor nuked a bearing after the turbo was purchased and shipped then installed. Like maybe day before yesterday? I have been working non stop and haven't even looked at the car since I decided the turbo was done and pulled it apart for free and checked it for you.

I had 9-10 cars the last couple of days and working on 25 plus days without a day off. Believe me I was getting around to calling you. Bryan called you from the shop two days ago or so? Last we talked was right after your turbo went. 2 weeks prior. There was no inclination the motor was faulty at that time. I just expressed concerns over the oil pressure situation. Also, he (Bryan) would be more of the guy to let you know the motor was dead. You're now mixing up two different scenarios that were weeks apart. I'm the tuner I'm not a mechanic. I tune. Going online and defaming me YOU BETTER BELIEVE I will drop everything to put my rebuttal. You're negligence is now affecting my hard earned credibility that puts food on my table.
It's you're own doing own up to it and don't go online to figure out a way for me to pay for it. I'm not sure if you just don't understand the situation or you truly in some messed up way believe I'm actually somehow responsible.

It's pretty simple man. You oil starved your turbo which causes heat, that nuked the turbo. I had no inclination to believe it was a bearing I raised the fact of if the turbo went from starvation I was worried about the internals. At the time the a turbo seems to die from age after talking to you about my worries.

Also it isn't hard to piece together if your oil pressure as low enough to cook a turbo it would not be a stretch to cook a bearing from starvation. It's common sense man.
I can also tell you without a doubt in my mind that bearing was damaged on the drive out as well as the turbo. You are right a blown turbo won't cause a spun bearing with the minimal amount I drove the car. The ROOT OF THE BLOWN TURBO would which is low oil pressure. Also you lied again you bought that FPR only be used the Nismo one you bought was faulty. We didn't make you buy anything. You wanted too. Also you told us you just bought the car, but now you have this extensive history with it? Lol

I will no longer entertain this thread. You may pickup you car Monday or you will be charge storage fees daily.
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I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a prick, but this is behind ridiculous. And defamation is illegal. I'd chose your words wisely. Because your lack of common mechanical knowledge let's attack the tuner and his reputation? I guess that's just today's society.

OP appears to have little mechanical knowledge. What the tuner saying is absolutely correct, you cannot fault his logic. Feelings hurt from loss of his cars heart. Whether the owners fault or not. Redtop SRs have notorious oil pick up problems. So much miscommunication of feelings through internet and text these days. Tuner seems to be an honest individual. OP, maybe it is in everyone's best interest to pick up the car and move on? Its a part of life man, things as such are going to go wrong. Take the punch and use it as an excuse to upgrade when the chance and funds are to be had. #firstworldproblemspoorold20yrSR
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Some tuner (car guys) not the tuner himself feel entitled to something if there is a issue.

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This is the reason why alot of tuners won't tune cars with an unknown history. Most of the great tuners I've met will only tune it if they built the engine themselves or know/trust the builder. Just not worth all this ass pain for a $600-1K gig when shit goes wrong cuz they're running a 20 yr old engine.

I said it in your other thread and I'll say it again:

Just some facts we've gathered:
- You hit something on your way to the shop and your oil light turned on. Drove on it for miles to get to the shop.
- Tuner asked you about the oil pressure light and YOU TOLD HIM ITS A BAD SENSOR.
- Tuner was setting the initial fuel trims/timing map and your turbo decides to blow itself.
- The tuner tells you to get another turbo and to have you dig around on the oil issue.
- 2 Weeks later, you decided to buy an ISIS turbo and they installed it for you.
- After they did the install, shop realized your engine is knocking too.
- Now you want them to fix it free of charge.

Everything points out to a dented oil pan which is typical on a damn SR20. From the sounds of it, the shop has been trying to work with you but you expect them to take all the blame and have nothing come out of your pocket.

If I was the shop, I'd tell you to eat dick, charge you for the tuning, start racking up storage fees, and I would put a Mechanic's Lien on it when it hits 30 days. Based on what you said above, you're basically attempting to extort the shop to cover your fucked up engine. Just because they have insurance, they should automatically take the hit for something that was FUCKED to begin with, just because they had your car? Wow, you're some other kind of stupid huh? People like you are the reason good tuning shops shut down...
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This is the reason why alot of tuners won't tune cars with an unknown history. Most of the great tuners I've met will only tune it if they built the engine themselves or know/trust the builder. Just not worth all this ass pain for a $600-1K gig when shit goes wrong cuz they're running a 20 yr old engine.

I said it in your other thread and I'll say it again:

Just some facts we've gathered:
- You hit something on your way to the shop and your oil light turned on. Drove on it for miles to get to the shop.
- Tuner asked you about the oil pressure light and YOU TOLD HIM ITS A BAD SENSOR.
- Tuner was setting the initial fuel trims/timing map and your turbo decides to blow itself.
- The tuner tells you to get another turbo and to have you dig around on the oil issue.
- 2 Weeks later, you decided to buy an ISIS turbo and they installed it for you.
- After they did the install, shop realized your engine is knocking too.
- Now you want them to fix it free of charge.

Everything points out to a dented oil pan which is typical on a damn SR20. From the sounds of it, the shop has been trying to work with you but you expect them to take all the blame and have nothing come out of your pocket.

If I was the shop, I'd tell you to eat dick, charge you for the tuning, start racking up storage fees, and I would put a Mechanic's Lien on it when it hits 30 days. Based on what you said above, you're basically attempting to extort the shop to cover your fucked up engine. Just because they have insurance, they should automatically take the hit for something that was FUCKED to begin with, just because they had your car? Wow, you're some other kind of stupid huh? People like you are the reason good tuning shops shut down...
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You drop off your car, keys, bounce, don't snign anything, don't watch him work, and you think he's at fault... because YOU didn't sign anything?

If you both signed a napkin saying he wouldn't blow your motor, I'd say it's all on him. But you sound pretty happy-go-lucky. And this is a very kind representation of you.

Oil light's on, so you not only drive (jesus, if my light came on while driving, I'd kill the engine that second, and not drive it an inch farther until I had at least confirmed the oil level, and probably just get a tow under insurance, and have a shop check it with a gauge to see what the deal is), but you don't call off tuning?

I won't even let someone change my oil without me watching - in fact, I won't let anybody change my oil - I can't IMAGINE you putting someone you had no working relationship with in that position, with your car. I hesitate at close friends driving it, gotta be quite close to know that they'll just throw down to make it right, if your shit car blows up on them.
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Old 06-02-2014, 12:09 AM   #66
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I don't know if anyone is actually thinking in terms of what is the mechanical failure of this sitaution. First, a t25 won't "break up" at 16psi, they just do not create anymore power and anyone familiar with turbos will know that. If you had some ungodly amount of boost through it I can understand but 16lbs.. No. Now second, if a spun bearing is an issue it could be anything from running bad oil and losing viscosity from multiple dyno runs. Third, just because it was running fine a few hours ago does not mean it will be fine to do dyno runs over and over again. If you ask any race team or engine builder it will always come down to oil. If he had shattered a piston from leaning it out then it would be in the tuners beat interest to help you. Bearings spin, these parts are not meant to last forever. You are mad and upset and it's understandable but people need to be more informed about how things work when tuning. As I said before, turbo will not eat itself especially if it's a stock oem t25. High temps could cause oiling issues which could be extremely detrimental to your bearings and turbo. Not taking anyone's side but it's the realistic outcome in this situation
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[QUOTE=unometeeter;5647379] He over boosted and did a shitty tune which caused my motor failure. Motors do not destroy themselves by idling at 7psi, QUOTE]

You do relise that your car will not idle and make 7psi correct? more like the opposite of 16hg of vacuum and that puts no strain on your turbo

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Tuner blew my motor. Legal help!

Smh... I'm surprised the tuner even touched the car with the issues he had. Sounds like he was trying to help you out man.
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First mistake was attempting to tune for 7psi when the stock ecu is already tuned for such a thing. You can't get anymore reliable than what the factory tuned it as. They spent more time then you can imagine calibrating the ecu to work loads of different situations which most self proclaimed tuners just tune for the now situation. Him trying to push you to buy a boost controller to run 15lbs should have been a red flag to just walk away because evidently you already knew the turbo just dumps hot air at 15. Long story short its your fault for letting the "tuner" continue.
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Well.. I had a few bad runs with tuning. First I had these guys make me a s13sr to s14 harness and tune my car in a week.. Well they fucked the harness up and melted my split fire coil packs on the dyno. as much as I wanted them all dead I knew couldn't get any thing out of them and it would have been a waste.. Even though they made the harness that ruined my new 500 dollar coil packs.. I love how all these tuners hide behind legaltys.. But like every one said this is the game you play. I hope you take the dude for every thing he's got.
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Smh... I'm surprised the tuner even touched the car with the issues he had. Sounds like he was trying to help you out man.
Maybe, but I think this is very stupid of the tuner. I'm not a tuner, but if I was, I would not touch that car.
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He over boosted and did a shitty tune which caused my motor failure. Motors do not destroy themselves by idling at 7psi,
especcially since there would be the opposite of boost at idle,more like 16hg of vacuum,turbo should be at it safest at idle besides motor being shut off so yes i agree that he overboosted the shit outa your motor and turbo.
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Well.. I had a few bad runs with tuning. First I had these guys make me a s13sr to s14 harness and tune my car in a week.. Well they fucked the harness up and melted my split fire coil packs on the dyno. as much as I wanted them all dead I knew couldn't get any thing out of them and it would have been a waste.. Even though they made the harness that ruined my new 500 dollar coil packs.. I love how all these tuners hide behind legaltys.. But like every one said this is the game you play. I hope you take the dude for every thing he's got.
I guess you guys both missed the part that the OP dropped the car off to get tuned with the OIL PRESSURE LIGHT ON and told the tuner its just a bad sensor.
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Then the tuner should have told him GET A NEW SENSOR or I'm not touching the car.


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He should have, would have never been in this situation of he had, but would you put the blame on the tuner and expect him to rebuild the engine for free? This kid is basically attempting to extort a shop to get his way. Legal help...pffft, he wants legal help, he should have gone straight to an attorney.

My guess is the shop already reached out to the OP with something along the lines of cheap/near free labor but OP buys the parts out of his pocket and wasn't too happy that he'd have to pay out since he could barely afford the tune to begin with.
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One of the most highly respected tuners in our area has been tuning for over 20years and if you drop the car off to him with a single issue or leak etc he'll tell you to come pick it up or he'll charge you dumb money to have his mechanic fix whatever the issue may be. If it was the oil sensor he shoulda picked one up that's such a super cheap and easy fix. When a car isn't 100% ready to be tuned something like this happens 99% of the time


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No way I wouldn't blame the tuner. Especially of I was the negligent one taking shortcuts. I own up to my mistakes and like these guys are saying. THIS IS THE GAME YOU PLAY. I agree with you %100 I'm not taking sides neither party wanted this outcome.


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It sounds like you are a little full of it. There is always 2 sides to a story.

1) You bought a boost controller to "tune" 7 pounds.....

How do we know your motor isn't a POS? It is a 240sx...

Also how much oil was gushing out of that turbo when it was blown?

Must be QUARTS load. Usually a blown turbo just spits out oil under boost. It doesn't leak quarts at a time.

Also a rod bearing doesn't go out from your turbo.

Also as a customer in the car field, it is your duty to be apart of your vehicle's build.

Scratch it as your fault and learn to pay a little more for a tune next time on top of you participating in the tune.

I'm assuming it took more than 1 day because the motor wasn't qualified for a tune. So he had to fix whatever leaks it had then put it on the dyno.
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it's funny how you leave out the parts of you hitting something on the road 45-55 minutes away from the shop that induced an oil light driving which means you had less than 15psi sustained oil pressure for 45-55 minutes driving to me.
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Buy another SR motor they arent expensive.

Easier said than done. May seem weird to you but we don't all have a couple grand laying around. I hope this isn't his DD. DD racekars aren't cheap lol


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I guess I gotta go to Texas then. Apparently they have running srs laying around for $500-800


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I had a tough time selling a perfect Blacktop S13 SR Longblock for $800, so I opted to help a buddy out and let it go for $300. Look around because what you see is not necessarily what it always sells for.
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Tuner blew my motor. Legal help!

Cheapest I saw one go for here was actually semi built had head work and was cammed for $500. Didn't last 24hrs

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Normally the asking price is absurd. But you can find a great deal on almost anything if you have time. I don't think this kid does lol


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Tuner blew my motor. Legal help!

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I want to see this bearing killer tune. Is it like the 9999 bug, where your bearings just vapoorize!

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I guess I gotta go to Texas then. Apparently they have running srs laying around for $500-800


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Old 06-02-2014, 06:17 PM   #90
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Uhhh... Excuse me while I call BS on this one...lol... No sir.

According to this guy they do lol


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