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***dorkidori_s13*** · 09-20-2016, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spooled240

This is already happening, except people are buying the N/A FR-Z for just a tad less than an AWD turbo car. If you bought a new BR-Z you could have had a turbo and AWD for just a bit more.

2017 BR-Z: $25,494 MSRP
2017 WRX: $26,695 MSRP

I'm still a little baffled as to why the FR-Z's are priced in this range when other cars like the WRX, ecoboost mustang, etc. for instance which would be a lot more expensive to produce are priced similarly. It's definitely not the creature comforts. These cars should be cheap, like a modern-day 240sx.

lets do some simple math here... and its gonna hurt

2017 BR-Z: $25,494 MSRP = $14,863.30 1992 money
2017 WRX: $26,695 MSRP = $15,563.50 1992 money

1992 240sx SE MSRP - $14500-$15200 (roughly)

So there you have it... in modern day money, the BR-Z costs the same as the 1992 S13.

And just incase anyone wants to play with the calculator I used themselves, here you are... http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

LockOn! · 09-20-2016, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

So there you have it... in modern day money, the BR-Z costs the same as the 1992 S13.

I think what people, at least us people, were hoping for, is some form of equivalent to a turbocharged Silvia. Not a truck motor powered 240sx lol.

At least its easy to add some extra juice to the ZN6 via supercharger I guess.

spooled240 · 09-20-2016, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

lets do some simple math here... and its gonna hurt

2017 BR-Z: $25,494 MSRP = $14,863.30 1992 money
2017 WRX: $26,695 MSRP = $15,563.50 1992 money

1992 240sx SE MSRP - $14500-$15200 (roughly)

So there you have it... in modern day money, the BR-Z costs the same as the 1992 S13.

And just incase anyone wants to play with the calculator I used themselves, here you are... http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

That was a typo, I meant the build quality of the car is like a 240sx. The 240sx was expensive for what it was too. Piggy-backing off your example with the link you provided, a loaded '98 SE would have ran you over 30k in today's dollars.

AllThingsGravy · 09-20-2016, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LockOn!

I think what people, at least us people, were hoping for, is some form of equivalent to a turbocharged Silvia. Not a truck motor powered 240sx lol.

At least its easy to add some extra juice to the ZN6 via supercharger I guess.

I'm sure if nissan put out a successor they more than definitely hit it with a turbocharged I4. I can't see a smaller car like a brz or frs style getting a 6 from factory.

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dudermagee · 09-20-2016, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

Again, pushing the price closer to the $35,000 range. Try justifying a RWD turbo Scion for $35,000. You can't. You never will. People will spend the few extra bucks and get something much, much cooler.

I wouldn't think that changing out one production block for another similar production block would add 10k.

Even if it did, they could go the cheaper option and use their WRX block and that can't be more than a couple grand so over the starting point of 25K.

SupaDoopa · 09-20-2016, 02:35 PM

I've seen Nissan actively testing the limits of smaller turbo engines. If we get anything, I suspect it'll be a smaller chassis similar to a Miata.

AllThingsGravy · 09-20-2016, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

I've seen Nissan actively testing the limits of smaller turbo engines. If we get anything, I suspect it'll be a smaller chassis similar to a Miata.

That would be interesting tbh

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SupaDoopa · 09-20-2016, 02:59 PM

Well, we've had something similar before - just not something on that scale. Will it be a 2-seater? Probably not because they aren't going to rival something in their own line up with the Z chassis but a compact 2+2 with a rear seat that's basically worthless isn't out of the question.

LockOn! · 09-20-2016, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SupaDoopa

but a compact 2+2 with a rear seat that's basically worthless isn't out of the question.

For fucks sake I don't care if dogs don't even fit in the back seats, the added cargo capacity is all I really care about.

driftsucky · 09-20-2016, 04:34 PM

Nissan has the Q60...which is just a functional version of the Z. But, because the Z isn't a volume seller for Nissan, I can't see them putting any EXTRA money into it's development or even toying with the idea of bringing over something with back seats. Maybe the next iteration of the Z will have back seats, but that really depends on Infiniti sales. I don't think MOST people who want a Z would buy the Infiniti version just because of better utility (I did, but I don't think I'm really their target market). Based on Z sales, I'd say we'd be lucky to find anything MORE from Nissan as far as performance goes...especially in the compact car market.

As for the FRS/BRZ debate, enthusiast have hyped the car more than what it's really supposed to be. It breaks Subaru's AWD market mantra and Toyota already has a "cute coupe" in the TC. So, they kinda, seemingly made the car for us and we complained. The teeny-bopper vapers that bought it loved it, and the old guys who no longer had a Celica to buy loved it. They didn't care about power.

Bottom line, if you want a fairly powerful RWD affordable and tune-able coupe that you can use as daily, you're either going to get a Mustang or a Camaro. Ford is going the direct injection turbo motor route on every commercial vehicle they make. F150, Flex, Explorer, Edge, Escape, Mustang, Taurus, Fusion, Focus, and Fiesta ALL have a turbo motor version of their car. So, that's probably going to be your best route for a new. With the new C.A.F.E laws and emission standards getting more and more ridiculous, I can see American manufacturers going this route because all of the big 3 have high horsepower V8/V10/V8-supercharged/etc cars so they have to figure out ways to offset that. Not for nothing, but Nissan's most gas-guzzling vehicle is either the Armada or the GTR...neither of which are volume sellers. So, nobody else really has a need to do anything.

LockOn! · 09-20-2016, 04:50 PM

^^^

I am almost certain I will own an Ecoboost Mustang as a toy later in life.

I'll just have to dress it up all JDM like, swap in some red Brides with a Nardi and write Silvia on the back in magic marker.

Why have you forsaken me Nissan.

I loved you

***dorkidori_s13*** · 09-20-2016, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by LockOn!

...and write Silvia on the back in magic marker...

fucking idea thief!

well i was going to do mine in vinyl so it looks official

SupaDoopa · 09-20-2016, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LockOn!

^^^

I am almost certain I will own an Ecoboost Mustang as a toy later in life.

I'll just have to dress it up all JDM like, swap in some red Brides with a Nardi and write Silvia on the back in magic marker.

Why have you forsaken me Nissan.

I loved you

BRIDES, Nardi, Silvia jibberish on a shit kicking 4-banger Moosetang. Please, please, please tell me this is all sarcasm. Please. Don't make me force feed you bleach burgers.

AllThingsGravy · 09-20-2016, 09:29 PM

The q60 don't look bad but 38-53k?

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dizzariot · 09-21-2016, 04:59 AM

Damn man I move to Japan and all of this shit blows up

You guys doubting the ZN6 chassis are fucking idiots. Plain and simple. Drive one. Own one for a while. I mean for fuck's sake make an EDUCATED opinion instead of reading online reviews by stupid assholes. You guys are so up your own fucking asses it makes me sick. Shut the fuck up. Please. Our country has enough assholes talking out of their dick-receptacles right now.

Can't speak on the Z too much because I've never owned one...but if you want a heavy-ass V6 (facts) over a used, lightweight 4-banger then that's on you.

New ZN6 also removed that shitty torque dip. Look it up for more deets, nutswingers.

You guys actively represent all of the morons that get stationed here, don't want to be here, and then fuck it up for people that DO want to be here. Assuming you know shit when you fucking don't. Spreading bullshit. Congrats.

I'm back, by the way.

dizzariot · 09-21-2016, 05:08 AM

Here's a magazine I JUST (21SEP2016) picked up at a 7/11 in Hayama. They're obviously still working on it. I know you think the world revolves around you but they might very well release a contender in Japan. Can I get one? No, not if I want to bring it back. Is Nissan still toying with the idea over here? Yes. So if you could remove your anus-piece from your shit-spewer (mouth) that'd be great.

This render is CLEARLY taking design cues from the ZN6. You're blind and also a total fucking idiot that got picked on in high school if you deny the similarities.

lunchmeat · 09-21-2016, 05:23 AM

No idea what it says, but I like it.

zenkicpe · 09-21-2016, 05:58 AM

Hope it happens! Agree dizzy the FRS/BRZ is legit

driftsucky · 09-21-2016, 06:03 AM

So Japanese Motor Trend shows a concept vehicle and all of sudden a company who's losing market share globally and whose current "affordable" performance coupe has been losing sales since its rebirth is going to not only make another coupe but bring it to it's most restrictive market? Yeah. That's probably accurate. Good thing you enlightened us.

honestly, I hope they do. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make any sense. But, the Murano convertible was, quite possibly, the DUMBEST thing I've ever seen that happened in real life, so that gives me hope for this far far FAR less dumb thing to happen.

dizzariot · 09-21-2016, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by driftsucky

So Japanese Motor Trend shows a concept vehicle and all of sudden a company who's losing market share globally and whose current "affordable" performance coupe has been losing sales since its rebirth is going to not only make another coupe but bring it to it's most restrictive market? Yeah. That's probably accurate. Good thing you enlightened us.

honestly, I hope they do. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make any sense. But, the Murano convertible was, quite possibly, the DUMBEST thing I've ever seen that happened in real life, so that gives me hope for this far far FAR less dumb thing to happen.

lol ok, monster man.

You have a different point of view. I'll counter with this: they need to make a ZN6 contender more than ever with 'stale 370Z sales' and shit cars like the Murano convertible...but then again there's some weird shit over here that's popular so who knows when the next Murano convertible will see production. You need to realize that shit you think is dumb might be cool elsewhere. That's the only thing giving me culture-shock over here. Did you fucking know they still sell Zima over here?

Losing shares globally? Oh yeah, Nissan will be gone next year. Better pull the plug on a redeemer ASAP.

Most restrictive market. Please explain.

EDIT: Please e n l i g h t e n .

d9m13n · 09-21-2016, 06:38 AM

The FRS/BRZ has made me very sad from an OBJECTIVE standpoint. I have not driven one, nor owned one, but the source of every aggravation ive seen with the car has to do with its baseline disappointing power. Toyota/Subaru fucked the car up from the get-go. It was a great idea, it was executed well from a design/chassis standpoint, but on the subject of the engine it turned out horribly. What really upsets me about the car is that the whole point of the joint-venture sports car we are seeing lately is keeping costs down between the two companies and sharing resources such as engineering and production. Toyota and Subaru have great fucking performance parts bins they could have picked from at their leisure, but instead they chose to engineer a brand new N/A engine which by modern standards is at best DECENT. Managing a tiny bit over 100hp/liter isnt terrible by any means, but when you compare it to the turbo fours that both companies have it doesnt make sense that they wouldnt have designed the fucking car around a decently powered engine from the get go. What none of you are bringing up is the fact that Subaru has the WRX, which is their affordable turbo performance car. They easily could have produced a reasonably powerful turbocharged RWD performance coupe AND KEPT CONSUMER COSTS AND PRODUCTION COSTS LOW but it would have caused internal competition within the companies. By now begging for a turbo/more powerful FRS/BRZ is wasting your time because the platform is developed, now old, and on its way out sooner rather than later. Fuck the car until it becomes cheap and becomes the new 240sx for the next gen of vape smoking bride rep buying half ass 'cuz drift car bro' hoonidouches.

Hopefully this isnt too incomprehensible
/end rant

dizzariot · 09-21-2016, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by d9m13n

The FRS/BRZ has made me very sad from an OBJECTIVE standpoint. I have not driven one, nor owned one, but the source of every aggravation ive seen with the car has to do with its baseline disappointing power. Toyota/Subaru fucked the car up from the get-go. It was a great idea, it was executed well from a design/chassis standpoint, but on the subject of the engine it turned out horribly. What really upsets me about the car is that the whole point of the joint-venture sports car we are seeing lately is keeping costs down between the two companies and sharing resources such as engineering and production. Toyota and Subaru have great fucking performance parts bins they could have picked from at their leisure, but instead they chose to engineer a brand new N/A engine which by modern standards is at best DECENT. Managing a tiny bit over 100hp/liter isnt terrible by any means, but when you compare it to the turbo fours that both companies have it doesnt make sense that they wouldnt have designed the fucking car around a decently powered engine from the get go. What none of you are bringing up is the fact that Subaru has the WRX, which is their affordable turbo performance car. They easily could have produced a reasonably powerful turbocharged RWD performance coupe AND KEPT CONSUMER COSTS AND PRODUCTION COSTS LOW but it would have caused internal competition within the companies. By now begging for a turbo/more powerful FRS/BRZ is wasting your time because the platform is developed, now old, and on its way out sooner rather than later. Fuck the car until it becomes cheap and becomes the new 240sx for the next gen of vape smoking bride rep buying half ass 'cuz drift car bro' hoonidouches.

Hopefully this isnt too incomprehensible
/end rant

You rant about vaping 'hoonidouches' but then dick-ride Subaru so bad that you think everything they put out should have the 'WRX TURBO MOTOR, BR0'.

You are, in a sense, everything you fucking hate about 'vaping hoonidouches'.

The Toyota side of the house marketed this thing as the '86 revival. Did the Sprinter ever get a turbo? No? Weird. Almost like Toyota actually tried to pull off a 'Throwback Thursday' (young slang) that all of us would appreciate and instead people like you dropped your drawers and shit all over the idea. Is your genitalia so deformed and below-average size that you need a God damned turbo on everything?

Drive it. On some nice roads. You need an OFT tune and EL headers. That's it...and again only if your weiner looks weird.

Just sayin'.

driftsucky · 09-21-2016, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzariot

lol ok, monster man.

You have a different point of view. I'll counter with this: they need to make a ZN6 contender more than ever with 'stale 370Z sales' and shit cars like the Murano convertible...but then again there's some weird shit over here that's popular so who knows when the next Murano convertible will see production. You need to realize that shit you think is dumb might be cool elsewhere. That's the only thing giving me culture-shock over here. Did you fucking know they still sell Zima over here?

Losing shares globally? Oh yeah, Nissan will be gone next year. Better pull the plug on a redeemer ASAP.

Most restrictive market. Please explain.

EDIT: Please e n l i g h t e n .

I like your counter point. Here's what I'm saying to ALL of the rest...a ZN6 contender will not boost Nissan's market share. Nissan's bread and butter are the Sentra, Altima, and Rogue. MOST people who buy cars don't think of ANY of the things we do. Just like Toyota sells more Camrys and Corollas than anything. Ford sells the Fusions, Escapes, and F150s. Chevy has Malibu/Impalla and Silverado and so on and so forth. These niche cars that ALL of us love barely make a dent in auto manufacturers bottom line. And that's not just Nissan, that's every manufacturer. Thank goodness that there are actually car guys that work at these companies. Hence, the Z, the Hellcats, the Z06's, the GTR's, etc. But, these cars are not breadwinners. And, in many cases, these cars force auto manufacturers to produce more of the boring cars to offset the sales...IN AMERICA.

In America, the C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency) state that every manufacturer must, as a whole, meet a particular mpg standard. What that means is, for every supercharged V8 or V10 or V6TT that gets 17mpg (or less), they need to have a boring 4cyl that gets 40mpg to offset the manufacturer average. In addition to that, manufacturers must build cars to the most restrictive state...which is California. While MOST states don't require their emission standards to be met, enough do that it is easier to build a car that meets it than to build cars that don't and then modify the ones that are designated for that state and the states that require it (like NY).

So, all that is why America is the most restrictive market, as a whole. It's the reason we didn't get GTR's to begin with and the reason we didn't get the SR 240's and a host of other cool cars that the rest of the world got to enjoy.

So, again, I hope Nissan does build it. I'm just skeptical about ever getting it HERE. And since I no longer have a free pass to Japan (and I'm not re-enlisting), if they did, I probably would never drive one.

dizzariot · 09-21-2016, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by driftsucky

I like your counter point. Here's what I'm saying to ALL of the rest...a ZN6 contender will not boost Nissan's market share. Nissan's bread and butter are the Sentra, Altima, and Rogue. MOST people who buy cars don't think of ANY of the things we do. Just like Toyota sells more Camrys and Corollas than anything. Ford sells the Fusions, Escapes, and F150s. Chevy has Malibu/Impalla and Silverado and so on and so forth. These niche cars that ALL of us love barely make a dent in auto manufacturers bottom line. And that's not just Nissan, that's every manufacturer. Thank goodness that there are actually car guys that work at these companies. Hence, the Z, the Hellcats, the Z06's, the GTR's, FRS/BRZ, etc. But, these cars are not breadwinners. And, in many cases, these cars force auto manufacturers to produce more of the boring cars to offset the sales...IN AMERICA.

In America, the C.A.F.E. (Corporate Average Fuel Efficiency) state that every manufacturer must, as a whole, meet a particular mpg standard. What that means is, for every supercharged V8 or V10 or V6TT that gets 17mpg (or less), they need to have a boring 4cyl that gets 40mpg to offset the manufacturer average. In addition to that, manufacturers must build cars to the most restrictive state...which is California. While MOST states don't require their emission standards to be met, enough do that it is easier to build a car that meets it than to build cars that don't and then modify the ones that are designated for that state and the states that require it (like NY).

So, all that is why America is the most restrictive market, as a whole. It's the reason we didn't get GTR's to begin with and the reason we didn't get the SR 240's and a host of other cool cars that the rest of the world got to enjoy.

So, again, I hope Nissan does build it. I'm just skeptical about ever getting it HERE. And since I no longer have a free pass to Japan (and I'm not re-enlisting), if they did, I probably would never drive one.

...so when you said 'restrictive market' I thought you meant Japan lol. That's my bad.

By your logic, won't Nissan have enough room for a 'performance car' with all of the MPG-oriented bullshit in the states?

driftsucky · 09-21-2016, 07:20 AM

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....if you haven't driven the FRS, shut ALL THE WAY THE F$CK UP!!!!! Seriously. You can not speak about a car you haven't driven. Stop being a bunch of power hungry power whores. The car is a well balanced chassis that is legitimately fun to drive. It's easy to slide (stock) and it's fun in twisties. The ONLY time you notice its power, or lack thereof, is if you're on a straight patch of highway and that douche in the Penstar V6 Challenger with ridiculous stripes and fake badges on it, tries you. That is the ONLY time you notice it's "low power". And you and that guy have different work schedules and the only time you take the highway route home is when you wanna pick up some Chipotle cuz the one in College Town has those hot chicks working there and they always give you large portions. So, you're not gonna run into him that often. It doesn't NEED more power. It's power is fine where it is. I wouldn't be opposed to more power, but it doesn't NEED it.

dizzariot · 09-21-2016, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by driftsucky

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....if you haven't driven the FRS, shut ALL THE WAY THE F$CK UP!!!!! Seriously. You can not speak about a car you haven't driven. Stop being a bunch of power hungry power whores. The car is a well balanced chassis that is legitimately fun to drive. It's easy to slide (stock) and it's fun in twisties. The ONLY time you notice its power, or lack thereof, is if you're on a straight patch of highway and that douche in the Penstar V6 Challenger with ridiculous stripes and fake badges on it, tries you. That is the ONLY time you notice it's "low power". And you and that guy have different work schedules and the only time you take the highway route home is when you wanna pick up some Chipotle cuz the one in College Town has those hot chicks working there and they always give you large portions. So, you're not gonna run into him that often. It doesn't NEED more power. It's power is fine where it is. I wouldn't be opposed to more power, but it doesn't NEED it.

d9m13n · 09-21-2016, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzariot

You rant about vaping 'hoonidouches' but then dick-ride Subaru so bad that you think everything they put out should have the 'WRX TURBO MOTOR, BR0'.

You are, in a sense, everything you fucking hate about 'vaping hoonidouches'.

The Toyota side of the house marketed this thing as the '86 revival. Did the Sprinter ever get a turbo? No? Weird. Almost like Toyota actually tried to pull off a 'Throwback Thursday' (young slang) that all of us would appreciate and instead people like you dropped your drawers and shit all over the idea. Is your genitalia so deformed and below-average size that you need a God damned turbo on everything?

Drive it. On some nice roads. You need an OFT tune and EL headers. That's it...and again only if your weiner looks weird.

JUST FLAMIN.

I said that objectively it would have made financial sense to design the BRZ from the get-go to utilize the proven powerful Subaru turbo engine. Dont consider the Sprinter in this conversation as the 80's are very different from the era we live in of downsizing and turbocharging emerging as the be-all-end-all of efficient gasoline engines.
I dont understand why you jump straight to flaming when I'm trying to bring up a completely outside objective standpoint which considers the non-detrimental financial implications of designing the frs/brz around a turbocharged engine. In an era when Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, and even Ferrari (aka legendary manufacturers known for their naturally aspirated engines) are turning to turbocharging as a means of making their PERFORMANCE CARS viable for the modern world in terms of requirements regarding efficiency and the ever-increasing power expectations of the enthusiast crowd, well-heeled or not.

I merely respond to the argument in this thread specifically regarding the claims that the BRZ/FRS is lacking in power, and how it would have been a much better idea for the joint venture to create a car with a turbocharged engine.

Nobody is dick riding anything. Im not even a subaru fan, I personally couldnt give less of a shit about their turbo engines, hence why im on a nissan forum instead of clubwrx or nasioc. The point you made about the whole '86 revival' didnt really make sense from Toyota's standpoint either as the members of the market that ended up buying the FRS, at least in the US, werent even old enough to drive when the AE86 was being produced, and most likely have no connection to that car whatsoever. (Source,http://www.edmunds.com/industry-cent...ubaru-brz.html)

Again, im talking about commercial/financial/engineering viability of a turbocharged FRS/BRZ from the factory, not deformed dicks which is somehow where you took the discussion

dizzariot · 09-21-2016, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by d9m13n

I said that objectively it would have made financial sense to design the BRZ from the get-go to utilize the proven powerful Subaru turbo engine. Dont consider the Sprinter in this conversation as the 80's are very different from the era we live in of downsizing and turbocharging emerging as the be-all-end-all of efficient gasoline engines.
I dont understand why you jump straight to flaming when I'm trying to bring up a completely outside objective standpoint which considers the non-detrimental financial implications of designing the frs/brz around a turbocharged engine. In an era when Mercedes Benz, BMW, Audi, and even Ferrari (aka legendary manufacturers known for their naturally aspirated engines) are turning to turbocharging as a means of making their PERFORMANCE CARS viable for the modern world in terms of requirements regarding efficiency and the ever-increasing power expectations of the enthusiast crowd, well-heeled or not.

I merely respond to the argument in this thread specifically regarding the claims that the BRZ/FRS is lacking in power, and how it would have been a much better idea for the joint venture to create a car with a turbocharged engine.

Nobody is dick riding anything. Im not even a subaru fan, I personally couldnt give less of a shit about their turbo engines, hence why im on a nissan forum instead of clubwrx or nasioc. The point you made about the whole '86 revival' didnt really make sense from Toyota's standpoint either as the members of the market that ended up buying the FRS, at least in the US, werent even old enough to drive when the AE86 was being produced, and most likely have no connection to that car whatsoever. (Source,http://www.edmunds.com/industry-cent...ubaru-brz.html)

Again, im talking about commercial/financial/engineering viability of a turbocharged FRS/BRZ from the factory, not deformed dicks which is somehow where you took the discussion

You're too smart for this forum. Are you collegekid with a different username?

Ohhhhh so the turbo'd Boxer they use in the WRX is a direct fit? Wasn't aware *sarcasm* and research/development of a new (turbo) motor and subsequently pushing back the release date was monetarily inexpensive? **more sarcasm* In all seriousness the chassis may have been more important here...hence the 'new' engine. I'm playing Devil's Advocate. The engine may not have allowed for the balance the designers were seeking.

Again, going back to '86 revival, isn't it possible that Toyota (turbo in everything nowadays ***even mo' sarcasm) ACTUALLY birthed an idea for the 'driver' for once? Tatsuya Tada seems like a genuine guy. Maybe I, like Fox Mulder, just want to believe.

EDIT: what the actually fuck was I supposed to get from your shitty link? The FRS out-sold the BRZ even though Miss Jessica Caldwell said Subaru has fewer dealerships. What the fuck was that bullshit about gender composition? Seems like a fluff piece. The article also said more people trade in the FRS and keep the BRZ. If you want to spend $3000 more for some HIDs, in-dash navigation, and some different (material) seats then you're still kind of missing the point. Kind of like leather seats in a 240SX.

Look, buddy, we're getting into semantics. Your 'research' is largely based on opinion. You think it isn't...but it is. I could tell you Mel Gibson is a great presidential candidate compared to the two we have now. I could use facts but at the end of the day it's still my opinion.

driftsucky · 09-21-2016, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzariot

...so when you said 'restrictive market' I thought you meant Japan lol. That's my bad.

By your logic, won't Nissan have enough room for a 'performance car' with all of the MPG-oriented bullshit in the states?

Well, it's gotta make sense to do. I honestly don't know if FRS/BRZ sales have been enough here for them to warrant a needed competitor. I don't think they see the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger as viable competition to anything they offer.

The ZN6 is really the only of it's type...as far as imports are concerned. The Genesis coupe has moved to a V6 now and that was barely competition to begin with.

Nissan has got to see a purpose in building a lightweight, well balanced, reasonably affordable sports coupe. The Altima coupe really should've been the one to bring things back. Visually, it was on par with their styling at the time. Pricing made it just as affordable as it's 4 door brotheren. It just had the wrong drive-train in there. And I don't know if anyone has driven the Juke-R, but that drives like how a turbo 4 should. It honestly feels beautiful. If they take that motor/tranny, wrap it in that concept skin, make it RWD, and they will "kill the game" as the kids say. Hopefully they'll find a reason to do it. But, the parts are there.

dizzariot · 09-21-2016, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by driftsucky

Well, it's gotta make sense to do. I honestly don't know if FRS/BRZ sales have been enough here for them to warrant a needed competitor. I don't think they see the Mustang/Camaro/Challenger as viable competition to anything they offer.

The ZN6 is really the only of it's type...as far as imports are concerned. The Genesis coupe has moved to a V6 now and that was barely competition to begin with.

Nissan has got to see a purpose in building a lightweight, well balanced, reasonably affordable sports coupe. The Altima coupe really should've been the one to bring things back. Visually, it was on par with their styling at the time. Pricing made it just as affordable as it's 4 door brotheren. It just had the wrong drive-train in there. And I don't know if anyone has driven the Juke-R, but that drives like how a turbo 4 should. It honestly feels beautiful. If they take that motor/tranny, wrap it in that concept skin, make it RWD, and they will "kill the game" as the kids say. Hopefully they'll find a reason to do it. But, the parts are there.

The ZN6 chassis is seeing a decline in sales but only because they were sold so quickly when they first came out EDIT* AND because Subaru/Toyota keep dicking around with the stupid fucking limited editions and 'new' variants. No one is denying that. That's just my opinion.

Nissan has had time to see the car's success, figure out why it's lacking now, and I'd assume they know what a competitor would need.

I wholeheartedly disagree with that nonsensical bullshit about the Altima coupe, though. Shit was ugly. I'm so pessimistic in my life that the one thing I choose to be optimistic about is this:

Nissan sees the FRS/BRZ's success and acknowledges the downfalls as well. They pushed out the iDX concept and came close to production. They're obviously still talking about that specific chassis nowadays. The FRS/BRZ just got their first TRUE refresh. Now is the time to plan a strike...and give their new car a competitive edge while offering the market what they want: turbo. Kids will drop the ZN6.

09-20-2016, 04:34 PM	#70
driftsucky Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester NY Age: 41 Posts: 1,331 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Nissan has the Q60...which is just a functional version of the Z. But, because the Z isn't a volume seller for Nissan, I can't see them putting any EXTRA money into it's development or even toying with the idea of bringing over something with back seats. Maybe the next iteration of the Z will have back seats, but that really depends on Infiniti sales. I don't think MOST people who want a Z would buy the Infiniti version just because of better utility (I did, but I don't think I'm really their target market). Based on Z sales, I'd say we'd be lucky to find anything MORE from Nissan as far as performance goes...especially in the compact car market. As for the FRS/BRZ debate, enthusiast have hyped the car more than what it's really supposed to be. It breaks Subaru's AWD market mantra and Toyota already has a "cute coupe" in the TC. So, they kinda, seemingly made the car for us and we complained. The teeny-bopper vapers that bought it loved it, and the old guys who no longer had a Celica to buy loved it. They didn't care about power. Bottom line, if you want a fairly powerful RWD affordable and tune-able coupe that you can use as daily, you're either going to get a Mustang or a Camaro. Ford is going the direct injection turbo motor route on every commercial vehicle they make. F150, Flex, Explorer, Edge, Escape, Mustang, Taurus, Fusion, Focus, and Fiesta ALL have a turbo motor version of their car. So, that's probably going to be your best route for a new. With the new C.A.F.E laws and emission standards getting more and more ridiculous, I can see American manufacturers going this route because all of the big 3 have high horsepower V8/V10/V8-supercharged/etc cars so they have to figure out ways to offset that. Not for nothing, but Nissan's most gas-guzzling vehicle is either the Armada or the GTR...neither of which are volume sellers. So, nobody else really has a need to do anything. __________________ @be_henney kranstogram is full of nonsense and foolishness.

09-20-2016, 04:50 PM	#71
LockOn! Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: MAPLE BLOCC Posts: 1,070 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^ I am almost certain I will own an Ecoboost Mustang as a toy later in life. I'll just have to dress it up all JDM like, swap in some red Brides with a Nardi and write Silvia on the back in magic marker. Why have you forsaken me Nissan. I loved you __________________

09-21-2016, 04:59 AM	#75
dizzariot Post Whore! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Japan Posts: 5,127 Trader Rating: (47) Feedback Score: 47 reviews	Damn man I move to Japan and all of this shit blows up You guys doubting the ZN6 chassis are fucking idiots. Plain and simple. Drive one. Own one for a while. I mean for fuck's sake make an EDUCATED opinion instead of reading online reviews by stupid assholes. You guys are so up your own fucking asses it makes me sick. Shut the fuck up. Please. Our country has enough assholes talking out of their dick-receptacles right now. Can't speak on the Z too much because I've never owned one...but if you want a heavy-ass V6 (facts) over a used, lightweight 4-banger then that's on you. New ZN6 also removed that shitty torque dip. Look it up for more deets, nutswingers. You guys actively represent all of the morons that get stationed here, don't want to be here, and then fuck it up for people that DO want to be here. Assuming you know shit when you fucking don't. Spreading bullshit. Congrats. I'm back, by the way. __________________ *The mark of a true sucka: 'RARE JDM' & 'OLD LOGO NISMO'*

09-21-2016, 05:08 AM	#76
dizzariot Post Whore! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Japan Posts: 5,127 Trader Rating: (47) Feedback Score: 47 reviews	Here's a magazine I JUST (21SEP2016) picked up at a 7/11 in Hayama. They're obviously still working on it. I know you think the world revolves around you but they might very well release a contender in Japan. Can I get one? No, not if I want to bring it back. Is Nissan still toying with the idea over here? Yes. So if you could remove your anus-piece from your shit-spewer (mouth) that'd be great. This render is CLEARLY taking design cues from the ZN6. You're blind and also a total fucking idiot that got picked on in high school if you deny the similarities. __________________ *The mark of a true sucka: 'RARE JDM' & 'OLD LOGO NISMO'*

09-21-2016, 06:03 AM	#79
driftsucky Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester NY Age: 41 Posts: 1,331 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	So Japanese Motor Trend shows a concept vehicle and all of sudden a company who's losing market share globally and whose current "affordable" performance coupe has been losing sales since its rebirth is going to not only make another coupe but bring it to it's most restrictive market? Yeah. That's probably accurate. Good thing you enlightened us. honestly, I hope they do. From a business standpoint, it doesn't make any sense. But, the Murano convertible was, quite possibly, the DUMBEST thing I've ever seen that happened in real life, so that gives me hope for this far far FAR less dumb thing to happen. __________________ @be_henney kranstogram is full of nonsense and foolishness.

09-20-2016, 02:35 PM	#66
SupaDoopa Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 隠された意図 Age: 33 Posts: 3,502 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	I've seen Nissan actively testing the limits of smaller turbo engines. If we get anything, I suspect it'll be a smaller chassis similar to a Miata.

09-20-2016, 02:59 PM	#68
SupaDoopa Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 隠された意図 Age: 33 Posts: 3,502 Trader Rating: (26) Feedback Score: 26 reviews	Well, we've had something similar before - just not something on that scale. Will it be a 2-seater? Probably not because they aren't going to rival something in their own line up with the Z chassis but a compact 2+2 with a rear seat that's basically worthless isn't out of the question.

09-20-2016, 09:29 PM	#74
AllThingsGravy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Somewhere in Cali Age: 27 Posts: 612 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	The q60 don't look bad but 38-53k? Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk

09-21-2016, 05:23 AM	#77
lunchmeat Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Southaven, ms Age: 42 Posts: 951 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No idea what it says, but I like it.

09-21-2016, 05:58 AM	#78
zenkicpe Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: NEPA Age: 40 Posts: 267 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Hope it happens! Agree dizzy the FRS/BRZ is legit

09-21-2016, 07:20 AM	#85
driftsucky Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Rochester NY Age: 41 Posts: 1,331 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....if you haven't driven the FRS, shut ALL THE WAY THE F$CK UP!!!!! Seriously. You can not speak about a car you haven't driven. Stop being a bunch of power hungry power whores. The car is a well balanced chassis that is legitimately fun to drive. It's easy to slide (stock) and it's fun in twisties. The ONLY time you notice its power, or lack thereof, is if you're on a straight patch of highway and that douche in the Penstar V6 Challenger with ridiculous stripes and fake badges on it, tries you. That is the ONLY time you notice it's "low power". And you and that guy have different work schedules and the only time you take the highway route home is when you wanna pick up some Chipotle cuz the one in College Town has those hot chicks working there and they always give you large portions. So, you're not gonna run into him that often. It doesn't NEED more power. It's power is fine where it is. I wouldn't be opposed to more power, but it doesn't NEED it. __________________ @be_henney kranstogram is full of nonsense and foolishness.

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