ARP headstud installation...How??? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

weissguy · 11-05-2008, 01:04 PM

I'm at the point of my build where I need to put the ARP headstuds into my s14 sr20det. This will be a first for me and the search yielded absolutely no results so here I am.

How do I install these into the block?

n240sxfnatic · 11-05-2008, 01:30 PM

RE-Search, and follow the arp instructions

s14unimog · 11-05-2008, 01:37 PM

Its called an Hex Key..... Are you sure you should be doing this?

If they don't break free with a little bit of effort, smack the top of the stud with a metal hammer. DON'T fuck up the treads and don't beat it down into your block. Sometimes they stick due to the difference in materials so a little shock will free them up.

weissguy · 11-05-2008, 01:42 PM

Maybe you should come over and do it for me s14unimog...right.

Missing instructions so I'll get them from their website.

s14unimog · 11-05-2008, 01:49 PM

I've got to poke fun a little, come on....

At least I gave you some good advice

Walperstyle · 11-05-2008, 01:51 PM

Install them after you put your valve cover back on

Z33dori · 11-05-2008, 02:04 PM

put some teflon tape on the ned.... and screw it into the block...

weissguy · 11-05-2008, 02:16 PM

well they're in now. I guess more than anything I was wondering what the procedure was...do I put on the moly assembly lube onto the end that goes into the block, do I put the head on first then the studs etc...

Z33dori · 11-05-2008, 02:38 PM

i put the lube on the ends that you attach the nuts, and put teflon tap on the block ends.

1st. put on you head gasket
2nd. put in the 2 middle studs, the longest 2
3rd. put on the head
4th. install the rest of the studs
5th. begin the torque down process

weissguy · 11-05-2008, 02:48 PM

Thanks z33 I'm going to take out all of them except the middles since that will make it easier to get the head on...All of my studs are the same length though.

Z33dori · 11-05-2008, 02:52 PM

there should be 2 that are a lil longer when you lay them all on the ground.

n240sxfnatic · 11-05-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z33dori

there should be 2 that are a lil longer when you lay them all on the ground.

no their arent, just the middle two stick out a bit farther then the rest.

Sileighty_85 · 11-05-2008, 04:33 PM

here wichever one you can read

fromxtor · 11-05-2008, 05:00 PM

Install studs using ARP moly lube, then thread them in w/ a 3/16 allen, torque to 70 ftlbs.

weissguy · 11-05-2008, 08:51 PM

My instructions that came with the head studs say to torque them down to 105 ft lbs in 3 different increments as per fsm pattern.

105? is that right?

Sileighty_85 · 11-05-2008, 09:04 PM

well my Instructions tells me Torque nuts to 70Ftlbs with ARP Moly Lube Or 85ftlbs with 30wt

also Due to expansion rate of aluminum it is recommended that the torque should be 65 ft lbs with ARP Moly Lube

I torqued mine to 68ft lbs with the Moly Lube
No problems after 2 years

Z33dori · 11-05-2008, 09:33 PM

i trq'd mine 3 times

30ft/lbs
85ft/lbs
110ft/lbs

some where around there

WangonwWarrior · 11-05-2008, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z33dori

i trq'd mine 3 times

30ft/lbs
85ft/lbs
110ft/lbs

some where around there

Thats sounds right ^

Sileighty_85 · 11-05-2008, 10:16 PM

where are ya'll getting 110 ft lbs from?

n240sxfnatic · 11-05-2008, 10:21 PM

110 is wrong, Its to tight. Its 20, loosen, 40, loosen, 60, loosen, and finally 80. This is with arp moly lube. Thats what my arp instructions said.

weissguy · 11-05-2008, 10:23 PM

I'm going to scan in the directions that came with the head studs tomorrow. It says sr20det right at the top of the sheet.

KA-T_240 · 11-05-2008, 11:13 PM

Why are you scanning the instructions. That is what you NEED to fallow.
I also highly recommend using the ARP molylube over motor oil(what ever else u may use, especially Teflon tape).

weissguy · 11-05-2008, 11:47 PM

Scan as in scan them into a scanner and upload them to the computer. I'm definitely using the Molylube that it came with and I have no plans of using teflon tape.

Z33dori · 11-06-2008, 07:27 AM

i didn't have instructions...

i went by DSM/srt4 trq specs.....

but yea i forget you do need to loosen them in between each trq.

4sfed180 · 11-06-2008, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z33dori

i didn't have instructions...

i went by DSM/srt4 trq specs.....

but yea i forget you do need to loosen them in between each trq.

why would you go by the torque instructions made for a different motor. arp designs each kit to be used in the specific application. the stud length, size, grip length, and in some cases even the stud material varies. the bolt is made for the specific application to be torques to a specific level. if you over torque it then you may pass the yield point of the stud and put in in plastic deformation range. after that the strain will keep increasing without much of an increase in clamping load, thus resulting in diminishing returns.

use moly lube and torque to what arp specifies

Z33dori · 11-06-2008, 05:26 PM

pretty sure these studs are for a Jetta anyways

so i don't see a problem ...

4sfed180 · 11-06-2008, 06:48 PM

so what if they are arp studs made for a VW engine. ive worked at an engine shop and all we did was VW superV, US F3, and offroad VW motors. you dont torque those to 110lbs anyways...

"seeing the problem", understanding why things are done one way or another, or reading forums are not all the same...

fromxtor · 11-06-2008, 07:27 PM

Mine came w/ the same sheet Sileighty_85 posted up

moses · 11-07-2008, 03:46 PM

I just got my arp head studs in and this is what they say

You can see it says sr20det on the top and the bottom says 3 equal times to 105ft lbs. WTF

n240sxfnatic · 11-07-2008, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moses

I just got my arp head studs in and this is what they say

You can see it says sr20det on the top and the bottom says 3 equal times to 105ft lbs. WTF

Those must have new instructions cause I did mine a year ago and it was the way I listed above.

11-05-2008, 01:04 PM	#1
weissguy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ARP headstud installation...How??? I'm at the point of my build where I need to put the ARP headstuds into my s14 sr20det. This will be a first for me and the search yielded absolutely no results so here I am. How do I install these into the block?

11-05-2008, 01:37 PM	#3
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Its called an Hex Key..... Are you sure you should be doing this? If they don't break free with a little bit of effort, smack the top of the stud with a metal hammer. DON'T fuck up the treads and don't beat it down into your block. Sometimes they stick due to the difference in materials so a little shock will free them up. __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

11-05-2008, 01:49 PM	#5
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	I've got to poke fun a little, come on.... At least I gave you some good advice __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

11-05-2008, 01:51 PM	#6
Walperstyle Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Alberta, Red Derp Age: 40 Posts: 1,729 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Install them after you put your valve cover back on __________________ KA-T ORG-Function over Flush

11-05-2008, 02:04 PM	#7
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 32 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	put some teflon tape on the ned.... and screw it into the block... __________________

11-05-2008, 01:30 PM	#2
n240sxfnatic Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Des Moines, Ia Age: 33 Posts: 493 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	RE-Search, and follow the arp instructions

11-05-2008, 01:42 PM	#4
weissguy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Maybe you should come over and do it for me s14unimog...right. Missing instructions so I'll get them from their website.

11-05-2008, 02:16 PM	#8
weissguy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well they're in now. I guess more than anything I was wondering what the procedure was...do I put on the moly assembly lube onto the end that goes into the block, do I put the head on first then the studs etc...

11-05-2008, 02:38 PM	#9
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 32 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	i put the lube on the ends that you attach the nuts, and put teflon tap on the block ends. 1st. put on you head gasket 2nd. put in the 2 middle studs, the longest 2 3rd. put on the head 4th. install the rest of the studs 5th. begin the torque down process __________________

11-05-2008, 02:48 PM	#10
weissguy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks z33 I'm going to take out all of them except the middles since that will make it easier to get the head on...All of my studs are the same length though.

11-05-2008, 02:52 PM	#11
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 32 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	there should be 2 that are a lil longer when you lay them all on the ground. __________________

11-05-2008, 04:33 PM	#13
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	here wichever one you can read __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

11-05-2008, 05:00 PM	#14
fromxtor Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Age: 40 Posts: 3,012 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Install studs using ARP moly lube, then thread them in w/ a 3/16 allen, torque to 70 ftlbs. __________________ Seller feedback>>http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=fromxtor

11-05-2008, 08:51 PM	#15
weissguy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My instructions that came with the head studs say to torque them down to 105 ft lbs in 3 different increments as per fsm pattern. 105? is that right?

11-05-2008, 09:04 PM	#16
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	well my Instructions tells me Torque nuts to 70Ftlbs with ARP Moly Lube Or 85ftlbs with 30wt also Due to expansion rate of aluminum it is recommended that the torque should be 65 ft lbs with ARP Moly Lube I torqued mine to 68ft lbs with the Moly Lube No problems after 2 years __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

11-05-2008, 09:33 PM	#17
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 32 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	i trq'd mine 3 times 30ft/lbs 85ft/lbs 110ft/lbs some where around there __________________

11-05-2008, 10:16 PM	#19
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	where are ya'll getting 110 ft lbs from? __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

11-05-2008, 10:21 PM	#20
n240sxfnatic Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Des Moines, Ia Age: 33 Posts: 493 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	110 is wrong, Its to tight. Its 20, loosen, 40, loosen, 60, loosen, and finally 80. This is with arp moly lube. Thats what my arp instructions said.

11-05-2008, 10:23 PM	#21
weissguy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm going to scan in the directions that came with the head studs tomorrow. It says sr20det right at the top of the sheet.

11-05-2008, 11:13 PM	#22
KA-T_240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Moorhead, MN Age: 34 Posts: 1,788 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Why are you scanning the instructions. That is what you NEED to fallow. I also highly recommend using the ARP molylube over motor oil(what ever else u may use, especially Teflon tape). __________________

11-05-2008, 11:47 PM	#23
weissguy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: dallas Posts: 301 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Scan as in scan them into a scanner and upload them to the computer. I'm definitely using the Molylube that it came with and I have no plans of using teflon tape. Last edited by weissguy; 11-06-2008 at 09:41 AM..

11-06-2008, 07:27 AM	#24
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 32 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	i didn't have instructions... i went by DSM/srt4 trq specs..... but yea i forget you do need to loosen them in between each trq. __________________

11-06-2008, 05:26 PM	#26
Z33dori Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Riverview, FL Age: 32 Posts: 5,557 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	pretty sure these studs are for a Jetta anyways so i don't see a problem ... __________________

11-06-2008, 06:48 PM	#27
4sfed180 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: vernon hills Age: 35 Posts: 224 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	so what if they are arp studs made for a VW engine. ive worked at an engine shop and all we did was VW superV, US F3, and offroad VW motors. you dont torque those to 110lbs anyways... "seeing the problem", understanding why things are done one way or another, or reading forums are not all the same... __________________ I build air pumps!

11-06-2008, 07:27 PM	#28
fromxtor Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Age: 40 Posts: 3,012 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Mine came w/ the same sheet Sileighty_85 posted up __________________ Seller feedback>>http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=fromxtor

11-07-2008, 03:46 PM	#29
moses Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jacksonville, ar Age: 34 Posts: 555 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: moses Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I just got my arp head studs in and this is what they say You can see it says sr20det on the top and the bottom says 3 equal times to 105ft lbs. WTF

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