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Old 07-26-2010, 04:23 PM   #31
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Here is an interesting read, for those who are open minded: Dinosaurs and the Bible
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Ok guys big debates here.

1. Most likely a believer is never going to get a non believer i.e. God vs Atheism to think the other way.
2. Most people misinterpret whats written in the Bible and remember there are two testaments in the Christian bible.
The first was written by the Jewish faith( the Torah or Old Testament). The second was written after Christ.( New Testament). Oh and I forgot there is the whole Orthodox vs Catholicism deal of 400 AD. Which was emperor Constantine wishing to rule his subjects better thereby adopting the faith and creating the schism. Oh and then of Course there was King James who yet again did this in the 1600's to move away from the Vatican control of the church thereby creating Protestant Christians and the King James bible.

3. There is the 3rd book as well that combines parts of other two's along with its own distinct beliefs aka The Koran.


Now given all of that There is historical proof to some stuff in these books while other parts have not shown historical proof and rely on ones faith. One must also realize certain aspects are allegorical and not some much exact fact but stories that have been retold and turned into more than they are. Better taken as parables and life lessons.

Oh but seriously if you want to read a good book written by a Physicist? Read "God according to God". He also has some other really good books he has written. Guaranteed to expand your mind.

Oh and just to stay completely on topic I think the great flood did happen. I do not think it covered the whole world but rather the particular region. As far as the Ark its possible as far as the animals two by two. Its kind of implausible.
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you're issue isnt with the fact that people believe this guy built a huge boat and put 1 of every animal on it on earth in it, but that it may or may not of had dinosaurs on it?
Some believe that it was the Flood that wiped out the dinosaurs. Not a Asteriod that hit 65 milliion years ago.

That mankind and dinosaurs inhabited the Earth at the same time untill the Flood came and wiped them out so that Mankind could inherit the and take rule over the Earth

Christianity like many other religions and cults are divided into different sects. Some handle snakes while others speak tongues, while others believe the Earth in not 2 billion years old, but more like 6,000 years old.

This belief stems form the Creation story in Genesis most of which you guy will already know quite well. That the Earth was created in 6 days and on the 7th God rested.

The 6,000 number comes from another bible verse that states 1 day with god is equal to 1,000 years. So it gets interpreted as such.

And as much as this sounds like hog wash there are very valid arguments on both sides of the debate 1 being the inaccuracy od radio-carbon dating past 600 years. Radio carbon dating has long been held as the gold standard in dating fossil and ancient relics. But as fate would have it it is very inaccurate after the 600 year mark and things known to have been made as close as 50 years ago have come back as 45,000 years old. This is fact as science knows it. And studies have proved the inaccuracy of carbon dating.

So truth is there is know way to know how old the Earth is. The Universe is a much different story though. As we all should know by now the farther a object is away from the Earth the longer it takes light to reach our telescopes. And we can accurately date the light the reaches us into a few million years or so.

But on Earth there really is no way to accurately date any object other then direct observation or documentation. I would go into more detail that supports the 6,000 year theory, and i can go into detail the supports the traditional "the Earth is 2.5 billion year old" theory.

Truth is no one fucking knows. Not yet at least. Not until we can accurately date fossil records and geographic formation. Hope this helps some of you guys out. /wall
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I recommend that anyone with any amount of intelligence take up studying this shiz. You'd be amazed at the wealth of knowledge & history, and how it might make you a better person.
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I recommend that anyone with any amount of intelligence take up studying this shiz. You'd be amazed at the wealth of knowledge & history, and how it might make you a better person.
Studying this junk (my personal opinion) is a waste of time. I know far to much about it all and all it does is let me end "religious" debates with some jack ass comment like "dude, you think Dinosaurs are a lie" or "You believe a man lived in a whale" or, my personal favorite "Q: God created everything? A: Yes, of course! Q: So the reason for racism? war? rape? torture? Darfur? Priest and little boys? Incest? (I just keep going until they understand I think they are a joke) (and on another side note, whenever they bring up the Devil I go... why did he make him? why not get rid of him? is it free will? or does he control everything since he made everything? that is usually when they are convinced I am the spawn of Satan and begin doing some cult like ritual). So in the end, unless you have bought into the whole BS and want to preach your snake oil to the masses, the only reason to know this stuff is so you can get into a never ending, pointless, frustrating debate with the nuts who take it to seriously (Ill admit, some of the stories and/or morals from them are genuine).

PS. Your "religion" is just a bunch of pieced together stories from ancient civilizations, none of your stories are original, and your "savior" is just a repeated bunch of crap. AND yes I am specifically talking about the big 3. Sorry for the rant, just tired of having "God's people" say dumb things to me when I am trying to study real shit, like the law.

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The bible says that God is outside of time.. ie past, present, future. To me that means that the whole 7 days of creation might not have taken place in "7 days earth time", it could've been 7 minutes, or 7,000,000,000 years to us. If you look at the sequence of events, it pretty much lines up with evolution, space, light, universe, plants, animals, humans, rest, in that order... It's simply the 7 days that does not line up with the 7 bazzilion years or whatever strictly evolutionists think that it took for us to get here. What I think is that God created everything, in his own time... If animals came before humans that means that dinausaurs did too, and they probly died before humans, (noah) inhabited the earth, while other animals continued to prosper or "evolve". Do I think there were dinosaurs on the ark? No, but who knows.. Without a great flood like that how do you explain salt flats in Utah? How does salt water get way up there? I'm not saying I'm right, just that thats what I think.. If anyone actually understands what I just said.
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That was a tongue in cheek joke, right?
No. The Bill of Rights > The Ten Commandments.

Rules of law have real consequences and real results... the rules of God on the other hand... well last time I checked no one has been smitted or struck by bolts of lightning after comitting heinous crimes.
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The bible says that God is outside of time.. ie past, present, future. To me that means that the whole 7 days of creation might not have taken place in "7 days earth time", it could've been 7 minutes, or 7,000,000,000 years to us. If you look at the sequence of events, it pretty much lines up with evolution, space, light, universe, plants, animals, humans, rest, in that order... It's simply the 7 days that does not line up with the 7 bazzilion years or whatever strictly evolutionists think that it took for us to get here. What I think is that God created everything, in his own time... If animals came before humans that means that dinausaurs did too, and they probly died before humans, (noah) inhabited the earth, while other animals continued to prosper or "evolve". Do I think there were dinosaurs on the ark? No, but who knows.. Without a great flood like that how do you explain salt flats in Utah? How does salt water get way up there? I'm not saying I'm right, just that thats what I think.. If anyone actually understands what I just said.
I was going to respond to you, but then I saw your age. Try not to get to brainwashed kid. Always remember to say NO to the kool aid.
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plate tectonics.

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Plate tectonics is extremely slow, so in the time that land that was once below sea level rose to almost a mile in the air, all the water would have drained from the land back into the ocean, not stayed in one spot and evaporated..
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I was going to respond to you, but then I saw your age. Try not to get to brainwashed kid. Always remember to say NO to the kool aid.
Brainwashed how, by people like you who are too ignorant to see that there's something bigger than your own ego out there? Just because I'm 16 doesn't mean I'm an idiot, I'm gonna believe what I want to, not what some guy off the internet tells me to.
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Brainwashed how, by people like you who are too ignorant to see that there's something bigger than your own ego out there? Just because I'm 16 doesn't mean I'm an idiot, I'm gonna believe what I want to, not what some guy off the internet tells me to.

Did I ever say there was nothing out there? My own ego? All I said is that your religion, and your beliefs are snake oil. It is all made up and pieced together from ancient civilizations.

You being 16 makes you impressionable and easy to manipulate. You should believe what ever you want, however, believing in some guy off the internet is just as credible as believing the bible.
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Did I ever say there was nothing out there? My own ego? All I said is that your religion, and your beliefs are snake oil. It is all made up and pieced together from ancient civilizations.

You being 16 makes you impressionable and easy to manipulate. You should believe what ever you want, however, believing in some guy off the internet is just as credible as believing the bible.

Attacking a 16yr old and his beliefs is proving your ignorance. Give up
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Brainwashed how, by people like you who are too ignorant to see that there's something bigger than your own ego out there? Just because I'm 16 doesn't mean I'm an idiot, I'm gonna believe what I want to, not what some guy off the internet tells me to.
I've never seen "religion" justified so eloquently.
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I think Noah was a passive-aggressive dickhead. I mean, sure, cows and chickens excellent, tasty choices to sustain humanity. I would ahve saved those animals, too.

But what about mosquitoes, the bot fly, or that fish in the Amazon that swims up your peehole and gets lodged in there? I'm sure humanity could do without those.

In conclusion: Fuck you, Noah!
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Age has nothing to do with it. I know a few 40-60 year olds who don't have a good grasp of reality yet.
Age definitely matters. You are going to try and tell me you were just as smart now as you were back then? At 16 I was no where near the same person as I am today. So yes, age and experience (in life) is definitely something that matters.



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Well, find me one real piece of evidence of God... which is impossible, all that is available is blind faith. So, if you can blindly believe in that, than it is just as reasonable to blindly believe in me. If there was any real proof that any religion was the truth, we would all be believers of that.
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from the Kirk Cameron video about how the shape of Bananas proves there is a god.
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from the Kirk Cameron video about how the shape of Bananas proves there is a god.
It does fit perfect in your hand! hahahaha

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