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driftstyre · 01-30-2005, 10:37 AM

We are just finishing up our SR powered E30 318 for the New England Hillclimb Championship. Thought some folks on here would be interested.
Here is the engine mounted in the car.

gearbox mount

A 240 is underway and I will post pics as we move forward. Other pics of the E30 can be found at
DSG E30 SR

Rennen · 01-30-2005, 11:51 AM

haha, bismo, thats a good one.

Car looks great! I can't wait to see pics of it in action. Hillclimbs are my second favorite type of event, but I didn't think we had many here in the US. Any pics or links to the racing series?

-Matt

brianglawson · 01-30-2005, 12:18 PM

cool man.... intersting swap

**Phlip** · 01-30-2005, 01:34 PM

Interesting to say the least, but why would you when there are so many options of BMW engines that were available as well... This is one of those "hybrid because the fuck we can" kinda projects...

*HaLo* · 01-30-2005, 02:51 PM

Hmm.. I have an E30 318 and I have a Sr20DET... you're giving me ideas.. :P

rps13sh · 01-30-2005, 04:09 PM

two of my favorite things, together...how nice.

drftwerks · 01-30-2005, 04:57 PM

almost my dream swap except mine would be a S15 Sr w/ 6spd and a E30 M3

rps13sh · 01-30-2005, 05:38 PM

i wont do that to the E30///M. id have to leave its legendary 4 banger and get the most HP out of it NA.

curbsurfer · 01-30-2005, 05:40 PM

sr's are supposed to be crooked in the engine bay, yours is straght.

are those solid mounts?

is there room for a downpipe? doesnt look like it

rps13sh · 01-30-2005, 05:41 PM

how is that straight? looks right to me.

s14xman · 01-30-2005, 06:20 PM

looks very interesting!! thats hot shiet!

driftstyre · 01-30-2005, 06:42 PM

Alex used to use a 4G63 motor with a mightymax transmission but the transmission was only designed for 100-150bhp not 350. Needless to say, it didn't last long in competition. I talked alex into selling the 4G63 and going with an SR for 1) Its very cheap (1400 for motor/transmission) and very cheap to upgrade and there are countless upgrade options, including for gearbox internals 2) Its very light (motor AND tranny weigh less than the 4G63 motor alone) 3) It was designed for RWD 4) The engine and transmission fit perfectly in an E30 chassis, even the shifter comes out in the stock location.

We're getting ready to start an E30 M3/ SR swap for a customer. I'll post some pics when that is in progress.

I finished my chassis mounted jacks for my circuit/hillclimb 240 today. If anyone is interested in doing this for a competition car it is very cheap and makes the underneath of your car very accessable. Regardless of how they look, they are very safe (safer than regular stands) and after working on various rallycars with similar setups I can say that working on a car with normal jackstands is a serious PITA. Here are some pics.

Overall cost is probably about $150. Metal supplies were ~50, probably close to an entire 240 size tig tank, 1 20 size mig tank for the chassis reinforcement on the outside and inside and approx 8 hours of work. I'll be stich welding the chassis and continually working on a 4130 18pt cage and will update as that progresses

driftstyre · 01-30-2005, 07:15 PM

Honestly, the E30 M3 S14 motor is one of my all time favs. To get more than 250 bhp out of them is a decent amount of money though. Group A motors still go for upwards of 10K and DTM motors are high 20s. An SR is 1K. In Alex's class he is up against cars with serious power so to be competitive at all he would need at least 300bhp. There are plenty of ex-DTM E30s running in germany and austrian hillclimb c'ships but the series here is lower budget (scirocco with busch series 600 hp motor & audi sport quattro E2 gearbox & drivetrain) All of the series events are tarmac/asphalt so its not like pikes peak. If you have power you can usually put it down.

Just a european hillclimb vid to get people pumped up...
http://www.videoconcept.com/Clips/cam4.wmv
The E36 in there is powered by a Judd F3000 V8...

You wonder where all the Ex F3000, F1, Group B, DTM, STWs go...

Var · 01-30-2005, 07:16 PM

what kind of oil system is that Sr going to be running? Good luck with everything

97DubTruck · 02-12-2005, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by westboroughpimp

what kind of oil system is that Sr going to be running? Good luck with everything

Looks like a Greddy or ARC oil pan. I think it bumps the oil capacity to 7 quarts or something. Really good for a climb/

Var · 02-12-2005, 01:22 PM

i'm curious as to what mods there will be to the oil pump/pickup more than the pan

driftstyre · 02-13-2005, 10:22 AM

From what we have heard, the SR stock oil system is more or less fine for shorter duration circuit and hillclimb use. I know JUN developed an oil pump for their JGTC SR20 in the mid 90s but as most people on here, we are on a budget. With how cheap SRs are now its much cheaper to buy a new motor as it would be to design a dry sump system or buy a 500$ JUN higher flow pump.

agrabau · 02-15-2005, 08:55 AM

A little progress.

Var · 02-15-2005, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftstyre

From what we have heard, the SR stock oil system is more or less fine for shorter duration circuit and hillclimb use. I know JUN developed an oil pump for their JGTC SR20 in the mid 90s but as most people on here, we are on a budget. With how cheap SRs are now its much cheaper to buy a new motor as it would be to design a dry sump system or buy a 500$ JUN higher flow pump.

From what i have heard, the sr has oil starvation problems at high rpm and high g-loads. But anyways..the reason i'm gonna ditch my sr is the very opposite of what you said. Sr's are getting expensive. And they are expensive to modify. But cheers on your project. kick ass

sentrase00 · 02-16-2005, 05:08 PM

Nice I have an E30 and an Sentra with an SR. I have the best of both worlds in seperate cars. Im just going to keep my BMW all BMW unless I can do the swap cheap.

agrabau · 02-18-2005, 10:22 AM

I guess I don't see how one could get starvation with the pump burried in the oil reservoir. As you probably know the pickup is periously close to the bottom of the stock pan, probably 1cm or so from the inner wall. With 5 qts in there it would be under 2 inches of oil. With the baffles in the pan and the extra capacity I don't forsee any problems. Especially with road courses the way they are, seldom a turn lasting longer than 3 seconds or so.

driftstyre · 02-27-2005, 04:00 PM

GT3071WG Installed

01-30-2005, 10:37 AM	#1
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Sr E30 318 We are just finishing up our SR powered E30 318 for the New England Hillclimb Championship. Thought some folks on here would be interested. Here is the engine mounted in the car. gearbox mount A 240 is underway and I will post pics as we move forward. Other pics of the E30 can be found at DSG E30 SR

01-30-2005, 11:51 AM	#2
Rennen Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: WichitAr, KS Age: 38 Posts: 877 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Rennen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	haha, bismo, thats a good one. Car looks great! I can't wait to see pics of it in action. Hillclimbs are my second favorite type of event, but I didn't think we had many here in the US. Any pics or links to the racing series? -Matt __________________ '89 Nissan 240SX fastback: #23 DSP/RallyMod2/Track Slut '95 BMW 540i 6 speed: Ultimate Commuting Machine PFM Racing www.solo2.org www.midwest240sx.com Last edited by Rennen; 01-30-2005 at 11:56 AM.. Reason: I's sphell gud

01-30-2005, 12:18 PM	#3
brianglawson Nissanaholic! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA Age: 33 Posts: 1,912 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: brianglawson Feedback Score: 1 reviews	cool man.... intersting swap __________________ S15 SR20DET Powered, Kouki S14 http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=578575

01-30-2005, 02:51 PM	#5
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmm.. I have an E30 318 and I have a Sr20DET... you're giving me ideas.. :P __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

01-30-2005, 04:57 PM	#7
drftwerks Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: california Posts: 2,343 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	almost my dream swap except mine would be a S15 Sr w/ 6spd and a E30 M3 __________________ giantroboteyes.wordpress.com/

01-30-2005, 04:09 PM	#6
rps13sh Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cerritos, CA Posts: 1,098 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	two of my favorite things, together...how nice.

01-30-2005, 05:38 PM	#8
rps13sh Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cerritos, CA Posts: 1,098 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i wont do that to the E30///M. id have to leave its legendary 4 banger and get the most HP out of it NA.

01-30-2005, 05:40 PM	#9
curbsurfer Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: palmdale, socal Posts: 222 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	sr's are supposed to be crooked in the engine bay, yours is straght. are those solid mounts? is there room for a downpipe? doesnt look like it

01-30-2005, 05:41 PM	#10
rps13sh Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Cerritos, CA Posts: 1,098 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	how is that straight? looks right to me.

01-30-2005, 06:20 PM	#11
s14xman Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: washington Age: 37 Posts: 1,022 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	looks very interesting!! thats hot shiet! __________________ FRontline (marinating since 02)

01-30-2005, 06:42 PM	#12
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Alex used to use a 4G63 motor with a mightymax transmission but the transmission was only designed for 100-150bhp not 350. Needless to say, it didn't last long in competition. I talked alex into selling the 4G63 and going with an SR for 1) Its very cheap (1400 for motor/transmission) and very cheap to upgrade and there are countless upgrade options, including for gearbox internals 2) Its very light (motor AND tranny weigh less than the 4G63 motor alone) 3) It was designed for RWD 4) The engine and transmission fit perfectly in an E30 chassis, even the shifter comes out in the stock location. We're getting ready to start an E30 M3/ SR swap for a customer. I'll post some pics when that is in progress. I finished my chassis mounted jacks for my circuit/hillclimb 240 today. If anyone is interested in doing this for a competition car it is very cheap and makes the underneath of your car very accessable. Regardless of how they look, they are very safe (safer than regular stands) and after working on various rallycars with similar setups I can say that working on a car with normal jackstands is a serious PITA. Here are some pics. Overall cost is probably about $150. Metal supplies were ~50, probably close to an entire 240 size tig tank, 1 20 size mig tank for the chassis reinforcement on the outside and inside and approx 8 hours of work. I'll be stich welding the chassis and continually working on a 4130 18pt cage and will update as that progresses

01-30-2005, 07:15 PM	#13
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Honestly, the E30 M3 S14 motor is one of my all time favs. To get more than 250 bhp out of them is a decent amount of money though. Group A motors still go for upwards of 10K and DTM motors are high 20s. An SR is 1K. In Alex's class he is up against cars with serious power so to be competitive at all he would need at least 300bhp. There are plenty of ex-DTM E30s running in germany and austrian hillclimb c'ships but the series here is lower budget (scirocco with busch series 600 hp motor & audi sport quattro E2 gearbox & drivetrain) All of the series events are tarmac/asphalt so its not like pikes peak. If you have power you can usually put it down. Just a european hillclimb vid to get people pumped up... http://www.videoconcept.com/Clips/cam4.wmv The E36 in there is powered by a Judd F3000 V8... You wonder where all the Ex F3000, F1, Group B, DTM, STWs go...

01-30-2005, 07:16 PM	#14
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what kind of oil system is that Sr going to be running? Good luck with everything __________________ Hi

02-12-2005, 01:22 PM	#16
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i'm curious as to what mods there will be to the oil pump/pickup more than the pan __________________ Hi

02-13-2005, 10:22 AM	#17
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	From what we have heard, the SR stock oil system is more or less fine for shorter duration circuit and hillclimb use. I know JUN developed an oil pump for their JGTC SR20 in the mid 90s but as most people on here, we are on a budget. With how cheap SRs are now its much cheaper to buy a new motor as it would be to design a dry sump system or buy a 500$ JUN higher flow pump.

02-15-2005, 08:55 AM	#18
agrabau Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 78 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	A little progress.

02-16-2005, 05:08 PM	#20
sentrase00 Join Date: May 2004 Location: New York Posts: 7 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Nice I have an E30 and an Sentra with an SR. I have the best of both worlds in seperate cars. Im just going to keep my BMW all BMW unless I can do the swap cheap.

02-18-2005, 10:22 AM	#21
agrabau Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 78 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I guess I don't see how one could get starvation with the pump burried in the oil reservoir. As you probably know the pickup is periously close to the bottom of the stock pan, probably 1cm or so from the inner wall. With 5 qts in there it would be under 2 inches of oil. With the baffles in the pan and the extra capacity I don't forsee any problems. Especially with road courses the way they are, seldom a turn lasting longer than 3 seconds or so.

02-27-2005, 04:00 PM	#22
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 42 Posts: 748 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	GT3071WG Installed

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