fitting a small block chevy into an S13 - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

FloridaRacing · 12-18-2008, 11:43 PM

My thread got locked before because it was simply a list of parts, well now those list of parts have made their way to a form of a completed engine that is a traditional 400 CI small block Chevy. It has been on the engine dyno and has made 702 HP and 684 FT/TQ. I have been working with Mckinney Motorsports on sourcing parts to make a first mount kit work for these engines.

Small block Chevys are cheap, easy to find, and hopefully after this, give people a cheaper alternative to an LS based engine. Best part of all, it is carbbed and requires minimal wiring.

This isnt the engine, rather than a mock up. Mounts are prototypes and are pretty close to done. The oil pan is a front sump type that has been modified to fit between the sway bar and sub frame without any modifications. The header type is equal length and will only require minimal drivers side adjustment to fit. Transmission is a TKO 600, which is shorter then a traditional 5 speed. A Traditional one will fit further back and correctly in the hole, which they are also building mounts for off this engine. Here is the initial mock up of these mounts on the test engine.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 12-18-2008, 11:47 PM

Headers look fucking crazy...that shit gonna have enough room to clear the steering shaft???

lflkajfj12123 · 12-19-2008, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Headers look fucking crazy...that shit gonna have enough room to clear the steering shaft???

lol OP's next post

oh shit....

we forgot about that....

420sx · 12-19-2008, 12:42 AM

why so crazy with the headers? and you should have pushed the motor further, the shifter is way far in.

i had no problem fitting the ls1 into my s14, using my mounts of course.

*kingkilburn* · 12-19-2008, 02:32 AM

I assume this is a "track only" swap. I don't see how you are going to get a carbed motor past a ref.

Cool swap though.

mxexux · 12-19-2008, 03:51 AM

"Best part of all, it is carbbed and requires minimal wiring."

I really wouldn't say that is the best part of all. I'd say it is the cheapest part of all. hehehe

g6civcx · 12-19-2008, 07:10 AM

I think I am the only person on here with this swap. My comments for you:

* Good job on height placement. I think your engine may actually be lower than mine. My biggest gripe with a lot of kits is that they place the engine way too high.

* Why didn't you cut out the firewall and shove the motor as further back as you possibly can? It will give better weight distribution as well as allowing you to shorten the propeller shaft as well.

* I used block hugger headers. Probably doesn't make as much top end as your headers but they're cheap and they fit.

If you have any specific questions please feel free to let me know. I'll do what I can based on my experience with this swap.

Good to see the small block getting some love. Good luck.

FloridaRacing · 12-19-2008, 09:33 AM

The headers will fit just fine, they passenger side works great and the driver side just needs a pie cut and shift on the 3 bolt flange, thats it. Also they are equal length with 1 7/8s primaries. Believe it or not, these are off the shelf headers from Hooker.

As I stated above, this transmission is based of a muncie 4 speed and is shorter then a traditional 5- 6 speed, which will fit fully centered on those applications.

The idea behind this swap was to make it as easy as possible for people to recreate with the mount kit, and also this is a street car, I didnt want to cut the firewall and shove the motor back into the dash.

FloridaRacing · 12-19-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by g6civcx

If you have any specific questions please feel free to let me know. I'll do what I can based on my experience with this swap.

Good to see the small block getting some love. Good luck.

Pics? I have only found 1 other documented SBC swap into a 240

g6civcx · 12-19-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaRacing

Pics? I have only found 1 other documented SBC swap into a 240

Read the V8 FAQ. I some pix splattered in that thread.

RUTH'LESSDET · 12-20-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaRacing

Pics? I have only found 1 other documented SBC swap into a 240

I have a documented swap but i didnt post it here its on silviav8forums.com along with everybody else with v8 swaps.
And by the way that motor setup is crazy!!! Are gonna drag the car?

FloridaRacing · 12-20-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RUTH'LESSDET

I have a documented swap but i didnt post it here its on silviav8forums.com :: Index along with everybody else with v8 swaps.
And by the way that motor setup is crazy!!! Are gonna drag the car?

yea Ive seen LS swaps done a bunch, my friend had an LS in his car locally in 2005, never seen a traditional small block except for 3-4, but not much documented. im on there as marks510, i have a thread there too

RUTH'LESSDET · 12-20-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaRacing

yea Ive seen LS swaps done a bunch, my friend had an LS in his car locally in 2005, never seen a traditional small block except for 3-4, but not much documented. im on there as marks510, i have a thread there too

ok yeah ive seen your thread but didnt put 2&2 together

ROUGE180 · 12-19-2008, 09:40 AM

I can't wait to see the progress especially with the traditional type trans. So ball park, how much would a swap like this cost turn key assuming that I did all the labor? Nothing crazy, no upgrades, just in the car mounted and ready to drive.

FloridaRacing · 12-19-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ROUGE180

I can't wait to see the progress especially with the traditional type trans. So ball park, how much would a swap like this cost turn key assuming that I did all the labor? Nothing crazy, no upgrades, just in the car mounted and ready to drive.

Thats vague, it all depends on how much you want to spend on a motor, theres everything from brand new stock GM 350s, strokers, to used engines.

You could find a running 4 speed with a 350 for probably $1000-$1500, plus mounts, oil pan, oil pump pickup. Theres no pricing yet on the swap parts, but probably mounted and running for around $3k

wow-thats-a-cool-car · 12-19-2008, 11:54 AM

there doesn't look like theres room for like anything important. Like the break booster and windshield wiper motor and like all the steering stuff. But I can't wait to see it done, so hurry up and finish it lol

FloridaRacing · 12-19-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by wow-thats-a-cool-car

there doesn't look like theres room for like anything important. Like the break booster and windshield wiper motor and like all the steering stuff. But I can't wait to see it done, so hurry up and finish it lol

Theres plenty of room for all that stuff, one of the header tubes MAY have to be modified for brake booster.

***S14DB*** · 12-19-2008, 12:37 PM

How does the distributor fit?

g6civcx · 12-19-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by S14DB

How does the distributor fit?

Note the large cutout in the firewall above the rear of the motor.

FloridaRacing · 12-19-2008, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by g6civcx

Note the large cutout in the firewall above the rear of the motor.

no, thats from something else, this is just a mockup engine bay.

The distributor fits fine, HEI types are a little too big, but no one runs them anyway

spark plugs are super easy to get to

g6civcx · 12-19-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaRacing

no, thats from something else, this is just a mockup engine bay.

What is the cutout for?

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Originally Posted by FloridaRacing

The distributor fits fine, HEI types are a little too big, but no one runs them anyway

If not HEI, then what are you running?

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Originally Posted by FloridaRacing

spark plugs are super easy to get to

Correct. They're much easier to get to than an LS1 in an fbody.

VQMaxFan · 12-19-2008, 01:02 PM

What happens when you want to change your spark plugs? It looks nearly impossible with those headers.

trsilvias13 · 12-19-2008, 02:07 PM

I read somewhere that some guy figured out how to drop one a sbc motor into a s13 using engine mounts from a van - it was direct drop in and no need to weld anything or something close to a bolt in, no welded type build. It wasn't on silviav8.com, but I think it was link from there to maybe Nico. But I remember seeing it somewhere.

FloridaRacing · 12-19-2008, 02:23 PM

Ill have to check it out, but this mount kit puts the engine in the right spot

FloridaRacing · 12-19-2008, 04:22 PM

modified pan, making a front sump pickup work on a rear sump oil pump, engine waiting for final mockup

g6civcx · 12-20-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FloridaRacing

May I suggest an oil filter relocation kit?

Then again, your motor is not shoved so far back that the filter hits the frame rail so you may be okay.

Flicktitty · 12-19-2008, 04:55 PM

what the fuck is done to that small block to make 700HP? On motor or Nitrous?

RUTH'LESSDET · 12-19-2008, 05:18 PM

2008 is the year of the import v8....I love it!!!!

FloridaRacing · 12-19-2008, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flicktitty

what the fuck is done to that small block to make 700HP? On motor or Nitrous?

yep, 523 on motor, 702 on nitrous, only 10:1 compression, makes power to 6400, probably a 7000 RPM limiter. Makes 418 FT/TQ by 2500 RPM

Flicktitty · 12-19-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaRacing

yep, 523 on motor, 702 on nitrous, only 10:1 compression, makes power to 6400, probably a 7000 RPM limiter. Makes 418 FT/TQ by 2500 RPM

Nice, Mind PMing me the spec's on the motor (cam,rotating assembly,etc)

My buddy has a 72 Chevelle with a 496 BBC car motor made 732HP on motor.

12-18-2008, 11:43 PM	#1
FloridaRacing Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oceanside, CA Age: 40 Posts: 375 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	fitting a small block chevy into an S13 My thread got locked before because it was simply a list of parts, well now those list of parts have made their way to a form of a completed engine that is a traditional 400 CI small block Chevy. It has been on the engine dyno and has made 702 HP and 684 FT/TQ. I have been working with Mckinney Motorsports on sourcing parts to make a first mount kit work for these engines. Small block Chevys are cheap, easy to find, and hopefully after this, give people a cheaper alternative to an LS based engine. Best part of all, it is carbbed and requires minimal wiring. This isnt the engine, rather than a mock up. Mounts are prototypes and are pretty close to done. The oil pan is a front sump type that has been modified to fit between the sway bar and sub frame without any modifications. The header type is equal length and will only require minimal drivers side adjustment to fit. Transmission is a TKO 600, which is shorter then a traditional 5 speed. A Traditional one will fit further back and correctly in the hole, which they are also building mounts for off this engine. Here is the initial mock up of these mounts on the test engine. __________________ floridaracing.org SR20DET 510/350whp - S13/702HP/V8 - 07 350z/343 WHP Last edited by FloridaRacing; 01-08-2009 at 02:57 PM..

12-18-2008, 11:47 PM	#2
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Headers look fucking crazy...that shit gonna have enough room to clear the steering shaft??? __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

12-19-2008, 12:42 AM	#4
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	why so crazy with the headers? and you should have pushed the motor further, the shifter is way far in. i had no problem fitting the ls1 into my s14, using my mounts of course. __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

12-19-2008, 02:32 AM	#5
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I assume this is a "track only" swap. I don't see how you are going to get a carbed motor past a ref. Cool swap though. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

12-19-2008, 09:33 AM	#8
FloridaRacing Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oceanside, CA Age: 40 Posts: 375 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The headers will fit just fine, they passenger side works great and the driver side just needs a pie cut and shift on the 3 bolt flange, thats it. Also they are equal length with 1 7/8s primaries. Believe it or not, these are off the shelf headers from Hooker. As I stated above, this transmission is based of a muncie 4 speed and is shorter then a traditional 5- 6 speed, which will fit fully centered on those applications. The idea behind this swap was to make it as easy as possible for people to recreate with the mount kit, and also this is a street car, I didnt want to cut the firewall and shove the motor back into the dash. __________________ floridaracing.org SR20DET 510/350whp - S13/702HP/V8 - 07 350z/343 WHP

12-19-2008, 03:51 AM	#6
mxexux Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: SoCal 949 Posts: 363 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	"Best part of all, it is carbbed and requires minimal wiring." I really wouldn't say that is the best part of all. I'd say it is the cheapest part of all. hehehe

12-19-2008, 07:10 AM	#7
g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 5,764 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I think I am the only person on here with this swap. My comments for you: * Good job on height placement. I think your engine may actually be lower than mine. My biggest gripe with a lot of kits is that they place the engine way too high. * Why didn't you cut out the firewall and shove the motor as further back as you possibly can? It will give better weight distribution as well as allowing you to shorten the propeller shaft as well. * I used block hugger headers. Probably doesn't make as much top end as your headers but they're cheap and they fit. If you have any specific questions please feel free to let me know. I'll do what I can based on my experience with this swap. Good to see the small block getting some love. Good luck.

12-19-2008, 09:40 AM	#14
ROUGE180 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Potomac, MD Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: ROUGE180 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I can't wait to see the progress especially with the traditional type trans. So ball park, how much would a swap like this cost turn key assuming that I did all the labor? Nothing crazy, no upgrades, just in the car mounted and ready to drive.

12-19-2008, 11:54 AM	#16
wow-thats-a-cool-car Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California Posts: 2,663 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	there doesn't look like theres room for like anything important. Like the break booster and windshield wiper motor and like all the steering stuff. But I can't wait to see it done, so hurry up and finish it lol __________________

12-19-2008, 12:37 PM	#18
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	How does the distributor fit? __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

12-19-2008, 01:02 PM	#22
VQMaxFan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mobile AL Age: 32 Posts: 464 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	What happens when you want to change your spark plugs? It looks nearly impossible with those headers.

12-19-2008, 02:07 PM	#23
trsilvias13 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,984 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I read somewhere that some guy figured out how to drop one a sbc motor into a s13 using engine mounts from a van - it was direct drop in and no need to weld anything or something close to a bolt in, no welded type build. It wasn't on silviav8.com, but I think it was link from there to maybe Nico. But I remember seeing it somewhere.

12-19-2008, 02:23 PM	#24
FloridaRacing Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oceanside, CA Age: 40 Posts: 375 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ill have to check it out, but this mount kit puts the engine in the right spot __________________ floridaracing.org SR20DET 510/350whp - S13/702HP/V8 - 07 350z/343 WHP

12-19-2008, 04:22 PM	#25
FloridaRacing Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Oceanside, CA Age: 40 Posts: 375 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	modified pan, making a front sump pickup work on a rear sump oil pump, engine waiting for final mockup __________________ floridaracing.org SR20DET 510/350whp - S13/702HP/V8 - 07 350z/343 WHP

12-19-2008, 04:55 PM	#27
Flicktitty Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Wisconsin Age: 34 Posts: 3,685 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	what the fuck is done to that small block to make 700HP? On motor or Nitrous? __________________ 2JZ-GTE Swapped S13 Coupe - 1994 Supra Turbo

12-19-2008, 05:18 PM	#28
RUTH'LESSDET Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NYC Age: 41 Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	2008 is the year of the import v8....I love it!!!! __________________ 91 Sil80-Sold, LS2 Powered 1997 240sx-Traded, 2005 350z-Sold, Whats next?

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