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devonkyle77 · 10-08-2008, 02:47 PM

EDIT 10/20/2008
starter has been replaced and car cranks now, just does not fire.
please proceed to page two for the latest on this situation.

ok so i have an s14 with an s14 sr.
i just put oil and coolant in it today with hopes of getting the thing to start up for the first time today.

so i pull the 7.5A fuse for the ecu from the engine bay fusebox.
as per heavy throttles instructions, i cranked for 20 seconds, hearing a kr kr kr kr kr kr noise, that really wasnt very pleasant. i stopped
tried again. oil light still on. i went inside, and left the key in the on position.
i may have been in the house for 20 minutes
i try again, and now i get nothing but a click noise.
this is a brand new battery, could it really be dead that quick?

did i do something wrong? i am extremely scared of this in the first place because this has been a damn two year project, and if something happened to the motor now...i may just take my own life.

please help me folks!

nrmskate · 10-08-2008, 03:25 PM

Mine just did the same thing.

Heres even a video of how mine was.

YouTube - KA24E Troubles

I just re-charged the battery and it starts right up.

aNskY · 10-08-2008, 03:55 PM

you did charge the battery before use, right?

devonkyle77 · 10-08-2008, 05:05 PM

yes
and i just put it back on after being on the trickle charger
still just does one "click" when i try to turn it over.

devonkyle77 · 10-08-2008, 08:29 PM

so i mean this thing is charged well enough after being on the trickle charger again and i get power throughout the car, but it wont even try to crank. just a click noise

noone has anything to add?

***S14DB*** · 10-08-2008, 08:42 PM

Take the Battery and Starter to be tested.

d0pe240 · 10-08-2008, 08:45 PM

check your flywheel?? maybe missing teeth?? if you take off the starter you should see the flywheel.

devonkyle77 · 10-08-2008, 08:56 PM

i know the flywheel isnt missing teeth...

devonkyle77 · 10-08-2008, 08:59 PM

as for the starter, it couldve gone bad after the engine actually trying to crank the first 2 times?

ch1873857 · 10-08-2008, 10:41 PM

devon. I will be over sometime to look at this. the charging system/battery doesn't have enough juice to jump the relay just click it. your starter is fine. I'll put money on it. yo battery is fucked. lower harness might have some faults also

gippy87 · 10-08-2008, 10:55 PM

like suggested have the starter checked out mine did something similar when it died. It took me so long to find a replacement starter that i use to have to push it hop in and pop the clutch and always try to park on a downward hill lol. trying to pop the clutch to start it while cold was a little more difficult i had to have someone push me with my other car to get it moving fast enough, yea i know sounds stupid but it was my first swap and i really wanted to drive it

duffman1278 · 10-09-2008, 12:43 AM

Get a multimeter and check how many volts are on the battery. I had a similar issue occur with my SR and it was my battery that was low on voltage. Had about 10V I believe, but it wasn't enough to get it cranking.

devonkyle77 · 10-09-2008, 06:50 AM

it goes all over the place between 10 and 12.40 V

***S14DB*** · 10-09-2008, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devonkyle77

as for the starter, it couldve gone bad after the engine actually trying to crank the first 2 times?

yeah you could have cooked it in 20 secs if it was on the way out. also could have drained the battery all the way to need a couple hours of charging.

Take them to make sure you didn't smoke them.

devonkyle77 · 10-09-2008, 03:15 PM

got a new battery. 12.70A constant

i put a wrench on the crank pulley and it turned easily, so my nightmare of it being seized has been relieved.
leads me to the starter.
i understand there is a way to test it using a wire on the positive terminal and touching somewhere on the starter? can anyone explain?

devonkyle77 · 10-09-2008, 03:26 PM

here is a picture of the starter, if that helps anyone

nrmskate · 10-09-2008, 03:31 PM

It looks like the terminals on the starter arn't very tight.

But, I would take it off and take it to Napa or O'reillys and they will test for free.

Its not hard either. 2 bolts, a nut, and a plug.

devonkyle77 · 10-10-2008, 01:38 PM

took it to ASR today and they confirmed it was "bad"
they cant tell me more until they open it up, which should be wednesday they said.

in the meantime, is there another starter that works on s14 sr?

ch1873857 · 10-10-2008, 11:38 PM

yeah. a hill and a clutch.

you have to make sure there isn't something that fried it so it doesn't keep blowing your starters

devonkyle77 · 10-16-2008, 03:50 PM

got the starter back today, put it on and now it cranks. although the car still wont start. i noticed one of the wires for my reverse position switch is broken, that cant possibly why can it?

aNskY · 10-16-2008, 04:09 PM

more than likely the wiring is f'ed. this is a fresh swap right?

fuel lines correct?

devonkyle77 · 10-16-2008, 04:17 PM

yeah, fresh swap.
fuel lines are correct.
i primed oil pump, and now oil light goes out as soon as it starts to crank. which i would believe should be expected.
does fuel need to be primed also?

aNskY · 10-16-2008, 04:28 PM

fuel pump should prime as soon as the ignition is "on". you should hear it clearly

devonkyle77 · 10-16-2008, 04:32 PM

oh ok. ugh, what the hell can this be?

96Turbo · 10-16-2008, 05:01 PM

well now that it's cranking i guess the next step would be to check for fuel and spark

remove CAS, and turn it by hand while checking to see if you're getting spark (unplugged spark plug connected to the coil)

Then do the same for the injectors

devonkyle77 · 10-16-2008, 05:14 PM

remove cas completely or just unplug it?

96Turbo · 10-16-2008, 05:25 PM

remove completely so you can turn the shaft by hand.(while still plugged in) This tricks the ecu into thinking the engine is turning to it tells the plugs and injectors to fire

edit: of course u should have the key on so the ecu/ignition system is powered up

devonkyle77 · 10-20-2008, 05:11 PM

ok not getting spark.....

jorge1190 · 10-20-2008, 05:14 PM

when my ca18 had starting issues...it was because of a bad battery ground check that

96Turbo · 10-20-2008, 06:14 PM

just to make sure...you were grounding the body of the spark plug right?? (aligator clip from the washer on the plug to the head somewhere)

I had a similar problem when i swapped my RB. It turned out i didn't connect a wire that powers the ignition system. It wasn't on the ECU pinout so i missed it. Are you sure you're wiring is good?

Did you check fuel? Otherwise the ECU might not be getting power or somethin

10-08-2008, 02:47 PM	#1
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	initial start up after swap-HELP EDIT 10/20/2008 starter has been replaced and car cranks now, just does not fire. please proceed to page two for the latest on this situation. ok so i have an s14 with an s14 sr. i just put oil and coolant in it today with hopes of getting the thing to start up for the first time today. so i pull the 7.5A fuse for the ecu from the engine bay fusebox. as per heavy throttles instructions, i cranked for 20 seconds, hearing a kr kr kr kr kr kr noise, that really wasnt very pleasant. i stopped tried again. oil light still on. i went inside, and left the key in the on position. i may have been in the house for 20 minutes i try again, and now i get nothing but a click noise. this is a brand new battery, could it really be dead that quick? did i do something wrong? i am extremely scared of this in the first place because this has been a damn two year project, and if something happened to the motor now...i may just take my own life. please help me folks! __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR Last edited by devonkyle77; 10-20-2008 at 09:41 PM..

10-08-2008, 05:05 PM	#4
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	yes and i just put it back on after being on the trickle charger still just does one "click" when i try to turn it over. __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-08-2008, 08:29 PM	#5
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	so i mean this thing is charged well enough after being on the trickle charger again and i get power throughout the car, but it wont even try to crank. just a click noise noone has anything to add? __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-08-2008, 08:42 PM	#6
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Take the Battery and Starter to be tested. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

10-08-2008, 08:56 PM	#8
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i know the flywheel isnt missing teeth... __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-08-2008, 03:25 PM	#2
nrmskate Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: IL Posts: 968 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Mine just did the same thing. Heres even a video of how mine was. YouTube - KA24E Troubles I just re-charged the battery and it starts right up.

10-08-2008, 03:55 PM	#3
aNskY Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NY Age: 37 Posts: 1,604 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	you did charge the battery before use, right?

10-08-2008, 08:45 PM	#7
d0pe240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: lol Posts: 459 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	check your flywheel?? maybe missing teeth?? if you take off the starter you should see the flywheel.

10-08-2008, 08:59 PM	#9
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	as for the starter, it couldve gone bad after the engine actually trying to crank the first 2 times? __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-08-2008, 10:41 PM	#10
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,905 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	devon. I will be over sometime to look at this. the charging system/battery doesn't have enough juice to jump the relay just click it. your starter is fine. I'll put money on it. yo battery is fucked. lower harness might have some faults also

10-08-2008, 10:55 PM	#11
gippy87 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: ri Age: 33 Posts: 314 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	like suggested have the starter checked out mine did something similar when it died. It took me so long to find a replacement starter that i use to have to push it hop in and pop the clutch and always try to park on a downward hill lol. trying to pop the clutch to start it while cold was a little more difficult i had to have someone push me with my other car to get it moving fast enough, yea i know sounds stupid but it was my first swap and i really wanted to drive it

10-09-2008, 12:43 AM	#12
duffman1278 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Covina Age: 33 Posts: 2,844 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: duffman1278 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Get a multimeter and check how many volts are on the battery. I had a similar issue occur with my SR and it was my battery that was low on voltage. Had about 10V I believe, but it wasn't enough to get it cranking.

10-09-2008, 06:50 AM	#13
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	it goes all over the place between 10 and 12.40 V __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-09-2008, 03:15 PM	#15
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	got a new battery. 12.70A constant i put a wrench on the crank pulley and it turned easily, so my nightmare of it being seized has been relieved. leads me to the starter. i understand there is a way to test it using a wire on the positive terminal and touching somewhere on the starter? can anyone explain? __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-09-2008, 03:26 PM	#16
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	here is a picture of the starter, if that helps anyone __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-09-2008, 03:31 PM	#17
nrmskate Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: IL Posts: 968 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	It looks like the terminals on the starter arn't very tight. But, I would take it off and take it to Napa or O'reillys and they will test for free. Its not hard either. 2 bolts, a nut, and a plug.

10-10-2008, 01:38 PM	#18
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	took it to ASR today and they confirmed it was "bad" they cant tell me more until they open it up, which should be wednesday they said. in the meantime, is there another starter that works on s14 sr? __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-10-2008, 11:38 PM	#19
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,905 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	yeah. a hill and a clutch. you have to make sure there isn't something that fried it so it doesn't keep blowing your starters

10-16-2008, 03:50 PM	#20
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	got the starter back today, put it on and now it cranks. although the car still wont start. i noticed one of the wires for my reverse position switch is broken, that cant possibly why can it? __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR Last edited by devonkyle77; 10-16-2008 at 04:15 PM..

10-16-2008, 04:09 PM	#21
aNskY Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NY Age: 37 Posts: 1,604 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	more than likely the wiring is f'ed. this is a fresh swap right? fuel lines correct?

10-16-2008, 04:17 PM	#22
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	yeah, fresh swap. fuel lines are correct. i primed oil pump, and now oil light goes out as soon as it starts to crank. which i would believe should be expected. does fuel need to be primed also? __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-16-2008, 04:28 PM	#23
aNskY Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NY Age: 37 Posts: 1,604 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	fuel pump should prime as soon as the ignition is "on". you should hear it clearly

10-16-2008, 04:32 PM	#24
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	oh ok. ugh, what the hell can this be? __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-16-2008, 05:01 PM	#25
96Turbo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: AZ Age: 32 Posts: 1,315 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	well now that it's cranking i guess the next step would be to check for fuel and spark remove CAS, and turn it by hand while checking to see if you're getting spark (unplugged spark plug connected to the coil) Then do the same for the injectors

10-16-2008, 05:14 PM	#26
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	remove cas completely or just unplug it? __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-16-2008, 05:25 PM	#27
96Turbo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: AZ Age: 32 Posts: 1,315 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	remove completely so you can turn the shaft by hand.(while still plugged in) This tricks the ecu into thinking the engine is turning to it tells the plugs and injectors to fire edit: of course u should have the key on so the ecu/ignition system is powered up

10-20-2008, 05:11 PM	#28
devonkyle77 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: md Age: 37 Posts: 3,091 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: devonkyle77 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	ok not getting spark..... __________________ WTB-NARDI wheel & NRG 2.8 QR

10-20-2008, 05:14 PM	#29
jorge1190 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Culpeper, Va Age: 30 Posts: 593 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	when my ca18 had starting issues...it was because of a bad battery ground check that

10-20-2008, 06:14 PM	#30
96Turbo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: AZ Age: 32 Posts: 1,315 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	just to make sure...you were grounding the body of the spark plug right?? (aligator clip from the washer on the plug to the head somewhere) I had a similar problem when i swapped my RB. It turned out i didn't connect a wire that powers the ignition system. It wasn't on the ECU pinout so i missed it. Are you sure you're wiring is good? Did you check fuel? Otherwise the ECU might not be getting power or somethin

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