ranger240

post all reasons why this guy is lame.

rules:

1. No pro-Obama arguments or rebuttals (save it for http://zilvia.net/f/loud-noises/2827...ml#post3066258)

2. No whining and or excessive unfounded rhetoric

3. Hyperlinks and quotes to articles encouraged

this thread is to help keep all the subjective out of other threads and to strengthen personal political positions

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SexPanda

I don't like how hes running america... As a matter of fact, I don't like politicians period. They're all a bunch of liars cheats and theives, just trying to stay in power.

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ranger240

i'll start edit: 2nd post.. lets get this (and the pro obama) thread going

steve forbes, Capitalism: A True Love Story. forbes magazine 0ct 19, 2009 page 24

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Mi Beardo es Loco

I just hate current government. HATE Republicans because of their bible bangers and hate Dems for being such money printing pussies. Obama hasn't been an absolute horrible president but has proven to be a corporatist.

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S13Boosts

HES WHITE NOT BLACK!!!! RMR THAT!!! hahah

Drift N Dragg

Soicalist Healthcare Plan = Not Capitalist/Democratic

Government Owned Banks and Auto Companies = OH SHIT!

I will not even bring up the Olympics Statement = FAIL!

How many T.V. Show's does a President have to Attend = T.V Star or President?

Say's he is attentive to all Views, But slams all Views but his Own.. Hmmmm = FAIL

Can't stop Complaining about the Previous President, Who Care's .. He admitted he Fucked Up so Presson and more forward...

Who's care's if he is Black, It's not a reason to over look Mistakes that he does..

Just My Opinion... I believe he would be a Ok president if he got his head Removed from his Butt..

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S14_Kouki

So do you all think Mccain would have done a better job in office?? Who would you pick.

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Genovese.Jr

if we never had a bailout the economy would of leveld out and the us dollar would still hold some of its value just watched a video in school about this today how random

Sleepy240

best thread evar!!

Obama Healthcare FTL!! Makes me angry

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singlecamslam

Wheres RJF?

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usdm180sx

Obama is AWESOME. He called kanye a JACK ASS

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S14_Kouki

So will anyone answer my question???

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ronmcdon

Don't think McCain would have had a real chance.
It's pretty fair to say that after Bush's term,
the whole republican party got a neg rep.
They lost lots of seats in congress.

But to answer your question, idk.
I do think that (given his past record),
he has proven to be more of a moderate than Obama.
(Imo, Obama views verge on the FAR left)
Generally, I prefer moderates (Democrat, Rep, or Indie)

HOWEVER!!!!
What is absolutely horrifying is having Sarah Palin as the VP.
If McCain passes away, I don't want some right wing radical (& idiot) taking office.
I was leaning on voting for McCain until Palin showed up.

Clinton had some chance.
I DID vote for Hilary in the Democrat primaries.
Would have much preferred the relatively moderate (compared to Obama) Clinton in office.
At least you would have some idea of what to expect.
Think even the conservatives here (I don't consider myself one) would probably agree that would have been the lesser evil.

S14_Kouki

What about Ron Paul anyone like him??

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Mr.350Gt

if John McCain won the election i think that the united states would be in more of a bad shape then we are as is,atleast Obama is trying...remember he has to clean up the mess Bush left and thats not going to be an easy job,im not really into politics like that but lets just wait and see how Obama turns out..if it doesnt work out then its back to the "White Man" to run the country

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ronmcdon

is that even a realistic candidate?
sure I like him, but he has no chance in hell.

even if he gets elected, he'll probably disagree with congress all the time.
probably nothing will ever get done.

let5l1de

haha! GObama @ real awesomeness when he called kanye a JACK ASS! I just wish kanye would get his ass kicked a few times by other random artists and jay-z. kanye image or not, you bleed like all of us...

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Mi Beardo es Loco

We needed a radical change. RP was probably the best candidate to improve on the economy and was the most conservative Republican in the party but the Toby Keith listeners couldn't take him seriously because of his lack of involvment in the church and he was so much of a different Republican than what the midstates has grown to know and love.

And with all this legalizing cannabis talk I'm not sure if this country is turning to a hybrid Libertarian state, maybe Barr was the man that could have made a difference.

Clinton probably would have been more conservative but may have been more proactive than Obama. She would have been the most likely candidate to actually make a change.

Giuliani was also another great leader but was way too cocky for the primary that McCain beat him out.

And to look back in the past, McCain SHOULD have been the Republican nominee in 99. Bush slandered his "friend" and his personal life. It turned to be very typical of the next 8 years. And who here really thinks that McCain would have done the same or worst than Bush? I don't. McCain would have more than likely stayed in Afghanistan until the job was done. IF McCain got the same intel that Bush got then he would have at least had a plan going into Iraq. The guy was a lifelong military man and Bush liked to say he served.

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slowpo

I don't like that boy becouse he's a muslin and he hate America I watch the news fox news and is true what they say bamanbo oboma is a communist Glenn beck is right. Let's take America back people

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ronmcdon

idk if Ron Paul really would have been the best for the economy 'today'.
It all depends on your stance in terms of government involvement in today's financial crisis, & how you predict Ron Paul would react.

Ron Paul might very well reject all economic stimulus packages,
given his stance on reduced government involvement in all matters.
The current recession would have most likely been hit a lot harder,
and economic recovery would take longer.
Inflation in the long term probably wouldn't be so much of an issue.

I am in the general opinion that some level of stimulus would have been beneficial, albeit probably not on the magnitude of the amount Obama is spending.

With Obama (other end of the spectrum?),
there is positive results in certain sectors of the economy.
the stock market IS improving.
It will take time for unemployment to make some improvement, but I'm optimistic.
Long term inflation will be serious concern.
Well, it has been since the Bush years, but might significantly worsen with all the spending and widening deficits.

In some respects, Obama is playing the odds very well, if he wants to get re-elected.
Shit-load of stimulus is going to get results faster.
It is entirely possible we might be out of the existing recession within 2 yrs (if not less).
Voters pay attention to the existing state of the economy far more closely than gradual changes in inflation.
A more moderate stimulus strategy might not be fast enough to produce good results in 4 yrs.
What is good for presidential re-election might not always be beneficial to the long-term economy.

Again, this is why imo Clinton would have been the best option
(this is the anti-Obama thread, not the anti-Democrat thread).
Allow equal parts, in moderation, government stimulus & economic cycles to work things out.

Regulate ONLY the factors that most likely contributed to the existing economic crisis.
Do NOT give out home loans to ppl who don't have sufficient credit.
Re-evalutate the 'Community Reinvestment Act' (google this if you don't know about it).
Do NOT allow balloon variable interest rate home loans.
Increase all loan qualifications.

Do NOT regulate shit for the sake of regulation or just to create publicity.
Instead of just blaming the private section, question some of the public policies/organizations.
Fannie & Freddie had it's share of issues imo.
Community Reinvestment Act actively encouraged Sub Prime lending.

About McCain, no doubt he would have been better than Bush.
Not too sure about Gore, but I would have been optimistic about Kerry.

Things could always be worse.
Consider Nancy Pelosi, Willie Brown, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, or even someone from Zilvia.net as president.

napaKAliboog

You guys really can't see the bullshit huh? HAHAHA ...common if anything kanye and the whole roc fam is just a few of obamas pawns.

And no im not some anti-american fuck face. If anything im mad because it seems to obvious and im getting sick and tired of the cheesy crappy club songs. Why would I want to freak to "shots shots shots shots" hell im drinking right now but im not a fucken lousy brainwashed yak it up drunk. Im artistic with my jazz n jizz... but then again it depends on the places you go to and just get xm radio cuz all the bullshit is for the poor stupid fucks

dynamicck

Ron Paul would have been an excellent president.
He wants to get rid of the FED. The FED is not a government agency. It's a private company started from Jp Morgan, Rockefeller, and etc.
The money that is loaned to the government...meaning the money printed is not free. There's an interest to be paid. Who pays that? We do with our income tax.

There was no federal Income Tax before 1913, when the Fed was created.


That's another story in itself.

Obama... this dumb ass keeps bailing companies out. WHY?
These poorly managed companies, profit chasing no long-term goal idiots deserve to crash and burn.
So the government wants to help them out? With who's money? OURS?
I did not purchase Ford, GM, Chrysler for a reason, because they suck, but they still get my money?

Now Obama is messing with subprime.
He's doing loan mods, loan this or that, and now he's trying to prevent evictions.
Most people who are losing their home got greedy by assuming that the home value would rise, and they could cash out. That's their fault, not the government. Majority of home owners could not afford to purchase a home, but yet requirement for loan approval was so pathetic because of Clinton.
(Read about the Community Reinvestment Act...as someone stated above)
The inevitable will happen... people will lose their homes. The longer people try to fight losing their homes, the longer it will take to flip those homes.


I understand Obama is trying to help the economy, but he should stop. It's only f*cking things up more. The longer we try to "stop" this recession the longer we will be in it.

Obama's a lawyer, not a business major/businessman.



Lastly, we're going to be in this recession for awhile. Why?
Unemployment stats... 15 million are unemployed.
Before Dec 2007, it was 7.6 million which was apprx. 5% unemployment rate.
So in order for us to get back to 5% (7.6 million unemployment), there has to be 145,000 jobs PER month for FOUR years.



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Ron Paul 2010

S14_Kouki

Hell yeah^^^^

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Mi Beardo es Loco

Me! I would make history! First American President with an entourage!!!

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zenki.life

he is not following through with anything he said in the time frame he provided. hes dragging his feet and thats why public opinion of him is
declining.


you would never make president.

and the POTUS does have an entourage already. duh!

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^^another person learns the perils of "stupid posting" on zilvia, too bad none will care.

SochBAT

its hard to do shit when you've got a shit-ton on your plate.

Mi Beardo es Loco

well, like what Jon Stewart says, it's time to get your grub on.

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SexPanda

Ok, I'll chime in for real this time. Im by no means a social conservative, but I am a fiscal conservative. Im all for small government, less taxes, blah blah. Im also a very
"cynical" person, and I think you should work to thrive, i.e. go to college and get a good job to pay for stuff like healthcare, insurance, et cetera.

Barack Obama, and more importantly the liberal majority, is Fucking up beyond all repair the shitty but workable system we had before. You can't possibly be naive enough to believe that ol G.W. is the cause of all our problems. It was the dems that started it, dating back to Carter. They have always wanted everyone to get into a home and be equal. Good idea, but Communism and the Rotary engine were good ideas too, and not everyone is equal. There are people who deserve to be removed from the gene pool, and people who deserve more because they try harder and do more. The dem's basically said to the banks, "if you don't loan to poor people for houses, then we'll fine the fuck out of you, and make it to where you will be able to loan to no one, capice?" Enter adjustable rate mortgages. People making 30 grand a year buying 200 grand houses because the interest rate at first was 3%. Add to that people's natural desire to be the best, living outside of their means, buying $40,000 vehicles, racking up their debt to LOOK successful, then suddenly stuff gets more expensive like gas, people start ignoring bills, they start to loose their homes and vehicles, the bank needs to find the money somewhere, interest rates go up, more people stop paying, banks start to loose money... You can see where I'm going.

We, as a nation, got complacent. We did this to ourselves. We need to get back on the road to fiscal responsability and accountability, and if we need to completely crash to rebuild, so be it. Its everyone's fault. Finding 1 person as a scapegoat, like the Liberals want to to with Bush, is idiotic. Same thing with the conservatives, blaming Obama (even though he isn't helping one little bit). Look in the mirror, and at your neighbor working at mcdonalds driving the Cadillac.

And the system is fucked. There isnt much to say about the system besides that. Welfare, medicare, et cetera... All inherently socialist programs. Socialism and consumeristic democracy don't work together.

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