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I really hope it comes out that price or near it. Sorry if I missed it before if they posted it. Definitely buying it if it does come out for that price. Too bad cant pre-order it yet. Looking forward to it.
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What kind of info are you looking for?
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This is the roll center, suspension pickup, and steering angle modification t...
Increased anti-squat, less bumpsteer, not sure on the exact "correction amount" since they've messed with all the control arm pickups, but I know it was the most they could package with a working Z32 e-brake. Obviously the geometry is better than even a 45mm Driftworks knuckle.
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Just seeing how much of a change the bumpsteer is at a higher travel really makes these worth while.
For anti-squat though, wouldn't that essentially harden your rear end? In the sense of drifting you want to absorb the roads harshness a lot of the time and continue through without interruption. Wouldn't increased anti-squat mirror what a harder dampener or stiffer springs would do?
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When you use the anti-squat knuckle setups, it allows your arms to see nearly straight light the stock height which will allow them to compress far more if you hit a bump. They wont (shouldn't) hit the frame and will be softer because they have place to move around. If anything, should be a more soft ride instead as now the arms are not maxing against the frame. I go through about a set of camber arms per event because even with my suspension up higher than what I like (feeling wise), the arms are already pushing against the frame. I hope this answers your question accurately.
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No I understand that and fully agree as I have the same problem. I may have just gotten the "anti-squat" confused in a sense of not realizing these knuckles (similar to other drop knuckles) actually drop the mounting positions of each arm, helping the angle of each individual component. Either way, that still does clarify my question.
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The more you lower your car, the less anti-squat your car has. I copied this from NRR because this guy had a really good explanation.: Quote:
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pbm do you guys have a eta on the flca on the s15. im in the market for my first pair and i see you guys are out of stock for the past few weeks on the older models!!!
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And yea I've seen that explanation, it was nicely dumbed down lol.
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The kits cost €1500 Euro with tie rods and €1425 without tie rods. To the US we have cheaper shipping but they will only take a package without the tie rods due to the weight. The cost would be €1425 + delivery €90 + bank charges €25. Total €1590 to your door. Coppied form www.XE.com today 1,590.00 EUR = 2,206.45 USD Euro ↔ US Dollar 1 EUR = 1.38770 USD 1 USD = 0.720615 EUR So the kit would cost $2206.45 USD to your door and NOT $2800. Robbie |
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Toe in is going to make the rear super stable/grippy, you need to put rear toe at zero, the suspension already has toe in under compression.
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For track driving you need some toe-in for the rear IMO. I run about 3/16" total toe-in with solid everything/rod ends/bearings. It's just a touch to make the rear end stable when getting on the power. I could see going down to 1/8" total toe-in, but no less than that IMO. It got a good bit more lively going from 1/4" total to 3/16" total, to where I think the car would get slower just not being as stable on slightly bumpy corners and getting on the brakes.
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My car is track only drift. I am trying to reduce the grip to spin the tires easier in the mid range of 3rd gear.
I'm thinking I can try changing the toe setting for free, before spending money on a final drive swap or more HP. I will try less toe-in than what I am currently running. |
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Reducing forward bite with bad alignment settings sounds like a stupid thing to do for even a drift car. Maximize forward bite then go to a harder/cheaper tire so you can actually keep your drift going and keep the speed up.
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Most of the pro drifters and mechanics I talk to are changing setups to inrease rear grip. They have enough power as it is, and with solid hydro e-brake options for initiation, they want to be able to push forward and back with grip if possible. And, given the limitations on tire size relative to power, they need as much from the suspension as they can get.
Separately, can anyone comment on the Wisefab rear S13 setup vs. GKTech? I am looking for maximum grip as well, and am leaning towards selling all my rear SPL v5 parts and buying the wisefab setup. It's expensive, but looks to be worth it.
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They have similar kinematics, with the wisefab being a bit better as they didn't have to package it with a Z32 e-brake or stock arm locations. I've always run zero toe for tire wear, haha. I rather like how it handles/drifts, but I'm not competing or running r-comps, so yeah.
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That being said, I think most of the people in this thread are trying to find a happy medium somewhere in between. |
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Matej - Agreed. I am looking for the maximum amount of grip for ~500rwhp+, used in a daily driven 240sx on the street, on NT05 or similar street legal track day tires, which won't kill me in the rain.
Ignoring that this is a drift car, I love watching the suspension movement in this video...and I don't know how to properly post a youtube vid. http://youtu.be/6ArcpNFNxxk
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^Yes, and they have tweaked it a bit since then, so it's even better, and has anti-roll bar mounts on the LCA's. It has similar kinematics to a double wishbone setup; they didn't do double wishbone as you can't change suspension types in a lot of drift series.
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Front and rear Wisefab kits on James Deane's new S14.
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Zak Pole just posted this on facebook from is r33 drift car !!
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http://voodoo13usa.com/shop/1989-199...san-s13-240sx/
Well anything else is obsolete now. If you own an S13, and you buy some other rods you're insane.
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