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*HaLo* · 12-02-2004, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hurleyboi514

HaLo, you only paid $400 CDN for that cage?? where'd you get it from??!

A Solo II driver in Quebec was parting out his car.

I got lucky.

hurleyboi514 · 12-02-2004, 11:16 PM

very nice.... your a lucky bastard!! ive said it a million times, im gonna stick with a 4 point for now...

r-b-x · 12-03-2004, 01:05 AM

just curious: what class is the s13 most competitive in? it seems the 240sx is a bit down on power in gs against some of the other cars... ahem audi a4 1.8t. and we just adopted scca classes so... yeah...

currently running a winter "slush series." current plan is to stay in gs for another year to keep costs down. gs is incredibly competitive in my area and i gotta learn about setups for the car...

first things first, gotta get new tires. was planning on getting the new azenis after spending a few events on my all season falkens. not sure if i'm gonna be serious enough to get r-compounds.

other plans include pad upgrade once i wear my current ones out and an exhaust... leaning towards the rsr exmag. that's about it... not very hardcore...

hurleyboi514 · 12-03-2004, 07:58 AM

i dont think the 240 is very competative in any autox class. it does well in DSP, but it'll never win the national title. there is too much development into other cars (ie. BMW's and IS300's). those DSP national's cars are way to fast for our little nissans...

Kreator · 12-03-2004, 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLo

At 400C$, find me a better roll cage.

And tell me, why are bolt in roll so "weak"... ?

1. they never follow the lines properly. A good rollcage follows the carcass of the car as close as possible for most protection. Yet to see a bolt in roll cage that does that.

2. I guess for autoxers and drifters, rollcage is not really for safety but for rigidity.... in which case custom/weld in cages are still your best bet.

3. I have a vid here on my computer, and somewhere in there, there is a car running into a stone enbankment. they then took a quick shot of the boltin rollcage that was inside. It wasn't a really hard hit, yet the cage was so badly bent at the point where the bolts connected 2 pieces at an angle that i really doubt that that cage was doing anything to protect the driver. I can upload it if you want to see it, but the vid is like 20 minutes long...

Bolts are the weakest part in the roll cage, they can come loose and they can easily snap if exerted force on. But again, its probably aint for safety in your car anyway. In the end, for 400C$ i guess u can't find a better one, but honestly, and dont take this as an asshole comment

, if you have money for volks and ssrs, you probably can afford $1500 for a properly build cage.

*HaLo* · 12-03-2004, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kreator

1. they never follow the lines properly. A good rollcage follows the carcass of the car as close as possible for most protection. Yet to see a bolt in roll cage that does that.

2. I guess for autoxers and drifters, rollcage is not really for safety but for rigidity.... in which case custom/weld in cages are still your best bet.

3. I have a vid here on my computer, and somewhere in there, there is a car running into a stone enbankment. they then took a quick shot of the boltin rollcage that was inside. It wasn't a really hard hit, yet the cage was so badly bent at the point where the bolts connected 2 pieces at an angle that i really doubt that that cage was doing anything to protect the driver. I can upload it if you want to see it, but the vid is like 20 minutes long...

Bolts are the weakest part in the roll cage, they can come loose and they can easily snap if exerted force on. But again, its probably aint for safety in your car anyway. In the end, for 400C$ i guess u can't find a better one, but honestly, and dont take this as an asshole comment

, if you have money for volks and ssrs, you probably can afford $1500 for a properly build cage.

1st off, if you knew the prices I pay for my used wheels, you wouldn't be making that kind of comment.

No offense intented.

I hear you on most "charges", but if the cage was so "soft" as you claim it to be, it would not be SCCA, ASN/FIA approved for Solo I/Solo II usage. I agree that a weld in cage is better, but to almost claim an autopower as a POS, it might be a little exagerated.

Var · 12-03-2004, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLo

. I agree that a weld in cage is better, but to almost claim an autopower as a POS, it might be a little exagerated.

They arent POS but they can be better. Apparently the trick is to tell them you want it for a racecar. who would have thought a company would build a cage for street cars . RETARDS!!! Anyways...you can say you want the bars as close to the body as possible and they will buld it a little different. Also you have a little adjustability in the sleeves and you can always get bigger sleeves and modify it to be taller.

*HaLo* · 12-03-2004, 03:12 PM

hmm...

the main hoop touches the ceiling...
the front ceiling bar touches the ceiling...

the main hoop almost touches the trims.. 1cm maybe from the side. It's a tight fit. I do think that the front bar needs to go through the dash though.

Var · 12-03-2004, 03:38 PM

so yours is setup nice. well..the only other beef i have with them is supplying you with grade 5 bolts and nuts. I suppose if you care enough you can go buy some better stuff but the principle of the matter bothers me. It's a ROLL CAGE for christ's sake. They should supply wider backing plates too. The cage itself is bult fine, i guess it's up to the installer to make everything work right. That aint right to me. The manufacturer of the cage should have all ends covered.

Kreator · 12-03-2004, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HaLo

1st off, if you knew the prices I pay for my used wheels, you wouldn't be making that kind of comment.

No offense intented.

I hear you on most "charges", but if the cage was so "soft" as you claim it to be, it would not be SCCA, ASN/FIA approved for Solo I/Solo II usage. I agree that a weld in cage is better, but to almost claim an autopower as a POS, it might be a little exagerated.

i dont know the prices, but i know what the wheels are worth. Again, i'm not trying to invade your private/financial life, but if a person has managed to go as far as you did with your car, they got some spare change lying around

Its a european video, so i dont know how requirements work over there. But, i know that autopower cages were never legal (well in the past several years) in the prorally program without additional work, and starting 2005 ANY bolt in cage was supposed to be banned (that was sccas decision, before they dropped the prorally program altogether). Roll cage is not about passing a requirement, it's about you flying off into a tree at 80mph. Would you feel safe in an autopower cage? After i saw them, i won't. Then again, you probably never run into such a situation. Ask any professional driver who races a car with a requirement for a roll cage. 9/10 will tell you theirs was custom welded in.

Theres is a reason the frame of the car is one piece, and not bolted together, don't you think?

MovinUp-1 · 12-03-2004, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hikarispeed

Avons and Hoosiers are worth the money over Kumhos, but are 245 worth the money over the 225?

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I don't think the kumho is far enough off of the hoosier's ultimate grip level to justify the extra expense and the hoosier's inconsistency through it's life cycle compared to the kumho.

MovinUp-1 · 12-03-2004, 04:12 PM

Winter mod plans:

S3 cams
T3/T4 on custom manifold
550cc injectors
Haltech E6X (we're a dealer now)
Cusco 1.5way diff
New end links for the whiteline swaybars
5 lug conversion and new wheels (maybe)
300zx front brakes

Hikarispeed · 12-03-2004, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MovinUp-1

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one. I don't think the kumho is far enough off of the hoosier's ultimate grip level to justify the extra expense and the hoosier's inconsistency through it's life cycle compared to the kumho.

I've heard about the Hoosier's inconsistency from tire rack. But some reviews there say hoosiers or avons are a second faster than the khumos. Have you got more info about Avon's? They are only 8 dollars more than V700 shaved and heat cycled.

The BMW in my class V700 BTW in DSP in SoCAl. Don't know what the Corollas run.

hurleyboi514 · 12-04-2004, 07:49 AM

i think corolla's run ESP, but they may be in DSP.

Hikarispeed · 12-04-2004, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hurleyboi514

i think corolla's run ESP, but they may be in DSP.

No I'm sure they are in DSP. There's at least 5 Corolla GT drivers in SoCal running the championship. The ESP is just Mustangs and F-bodies running here.

What I noticed when looking at the past SoCal run times between STX and DSP is that the STX are quicker but a tick. Interesting, street tires faster than the V700's.

hurleyboi514 · 12-04-2004, 02:32 PM

oh ok, i thought u were asking if corolla's were in DSP or not. i bet, when built around the rules, the GTS would be a hell of an autox car... especially in DSP!! thats an intresting idea!

AKADriver · 12-04-2004, 11:53 PM

Corollas all run FSP, including the AE86.

Autopower sells roll cages that fit inside the uncut factory interior trim because that's what sells. They also serve a purpose... SCCA Showroom Stock road race cars have to retain full interiors.

*LanceS13* · 12-06-2004, 10:07 AM

I think they moved (or at least were talking about) moving the AE86 from FSP to DSP b/c Takoa Aono (sp?) kicked too much ass in his in FSP.

plans for the off-season:
-timing chain for my '90 SOHC
-pick up the DOHC block from the shop
-assemble and install engine in the '92
-assemble turbo stuff, make custom i/c and exhaust piping, relocate radiator
-work out turbo bugs
-install Kaaz 1.5
-maybe do the cage
-corner weight and alignment

JaeTea · 12-06-2004, 11:31 AM

For the 240sx I plan on saving for ANOTHER set of rims and tires, tires, tires!

I'm gonna also get some more suspension mods to stiffen the chassis as much as possible. Thinking sway bar, power brace...and a harness.

For the WRX probly just a rear swaybar and new tires.

The ROMAN · 12-24-2004, 01:56 PM

Well I'm gonna rip the KA out after chrismas, paint the engine bay to match the rest of the car (Used to be red, now satin black), and throw my redtop in. Pretty stockish, SMIC, full 3" exhuast, Apexi intake, HKS Super BOV, fuel pump, engine mounts, etc.
Throw my sub frame spacers in
OEM pignose lip going on
strip the car down a little more, headliner, door panels, and maybe CD player and speakers
maybe spray the interior flat black
and change my diff fluid

msaskin · 12-24-2004, 02:34 PM

Winter (spring) plans for me: building a new car

I just found out that the 240sx is eligible to compete in the Nasa SE-R cup in the SRX ("extreme"!!!) class so long as you run an SR20 engine. Come february or march I'll pick up a new car and the work begins.

Plans:
-gut car (duh)
-coilovers
-various other suspension pieces as necessary
-wheels + tires (Toyo RA-1's most likely)
-unsure on brake setup yet
-near stock SR20 with some reliability mods (arp studs, head gasket, oil cooler, etc...)
-safety stuff (custom cage, whatever seat I get a deal on, harnesses, etc.)

A few other goodies

~matt

nlzmo400r · 12-24-2004, 10:00 PM

i actually just got finished stripping out the sound deadening, and im gonna throw in new carpet (gotta have carpet to run STU, but it dont say shit bout sound deadening

). Just changed tranny fluid/diff fluid. Getting the new 225/50/r15 azenis (gonna put them fatties over stock s13 wheels). And ill be getting (hopefully) RUCA's and Whiteline swaybars.

*HaLo* · 12-25-2004, 09:22 AM

Usually, if SCCA rules don't talk about something, it's because it's not allowed.

You can't remove sound deadening in stock, street prep, street touring and street mod classes.

nlzmo400r · 12-25-2004, 07:35 PM

well either way, when they tech me (atleast at the non point events) they'll never notice anyway.

MovinUp-1 · 12-25-2004, 08:56 PM

I will. I usually tech the cars at Delta events.

You may want to read the rule book before you do any more illegal mods. Or at least ask someone local that knows the rules.

nlzmo400r · 12-26-2004, 09:47 AM

haha, hey allen, i didnt know you were on zilvia. But anyway, everytime i go to a delta event, they try to place me in a different class, as if nobody knows EXACTLY what class i should be in. And they usually just let me run in STU because its not like they actually count for points. (I dont ever attend TLAC)

MovinUp-1 · 12-26-2004, 07:27 PM

Well, it is up to the competitor to know what class they should belong in. However, the persons at registration should help people who are new to class their car properly. Technically, your car is only legal for Prepared now that you have removed your sound deadener.

So what other mods are you planning? If I can assist with anything let me know.

fastpace · 12-27-2004, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nlzmo400r

i actually just got finished stripping out the sound deadening, and im gonna throw in new carpet (gotta have carpet to run STU, but it dont say shit bout sound deadening

). Just changed tranny fluid/diff fluid. Getting the new 225/50/r15 azenis (gonna put them fatties over stock s13 wheels). And ill be getting (hopefully) RUCA's and Whiteline swaybars.

I didn't know you can put that fat a tire on stock wheels. I am looking into getting those exact tires, but putting them on diamond racing wheels(15X8). If this is true I might do the same, but they just don't seem safe.

r-b-x · 12-28-2004, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastpace

I didn't know you can put that fat(225) a tire on stock wheels.

i was wondering about that too... 205 seems about the limit for 6 inch wide.
can you fit 225/50 on a 6.5 inch wide wheel? or would i have to look at 7 inches? i'm somewhat interested in driving in sts...

jmauld · 12-28-2004, 05:48 AM

Most 225s will fit on a 6" rim. You're better off running a wide rim, but if you're limited by class rules, then get the widest tire that will fit on the widest rim you can run.

12-02-2004, 11:16 PM	#32
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	very nice.... your a lucky bastard!! ive said it a million times, im gonna stick with a 4 point for now... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

12-03-2004, 07:58 AM	#34
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i dont think the 240 is very competative in any autox class. it does well in DSP, but it'll never win the national title. there is too much development into other cars (ie. BMW's and IS300's). those DSP national's cars are way to fast for our little nissans... __________________ HighTach Motorsports

12-03-2004, 03:12 PM	#38
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hmm... the main hoop touches the ceiling... the front ceiling bar touches the ceiling... the main hoop almost touches the trims.. 1cm maybe from the side. It's a tight fit. I do think that the front bar needs to go through the dash though. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

12-03-2004, 03:38 PM	#39
Var Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 39 Posts: 5,032 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Var Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so yours is setup nice. well..the only other beef i have with them is supplying you with grade 5 bolts and nuts. I suppose if you care enough you can go buy some better stuff but the principle of the matter bothers me. It's a ROLL CAGE for christ's sake. They should supply wider backing plates too. The cage itself is bult fine, i guess it's up to the installer to make everything work right. That aint right to me. The manufacturer of the cage should have all ends covered. __________________ Hi

12-03-2004, 04:12 PM	#42
MovinUp-1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Now I'm in Texas Posts: 243 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Winter mod plans: S3 cams T3/T4 on custom manifold 550cc injectors Haltech E6X (we're a dealer now) Cusco 1.5way diff New end links for the whiteline swaybars 5 lug conversion and new wheels (maybe) 300zx front brakes __________________ Allen Delta Region SCCA SM 1990 240SX SR20DET

12-03-2004, 01:05 AM	#33
r-b-x Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: vancouver Posts: 118 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just curious: what class is the s13 most competitive in? it seems the 240sx is a bit down on power in gs against some of the other cars... ahem audi a4 1.8t. and we just adopted scca classes so... yeah... currently running a winter "slush series." current plan is to stay in gs for another year to keep costs down. gs is incredibly competitive in my area and i gotta learn about setups for the car... first things first, gotta get new tires. was planning on getting the new azenis after spending a few events on my all season falkens. not sure if i'm gonna be serious enough to get r-compounds. other plans include pad upgrade once i wear my current ones out and an exhaust... leaning towards the rsr exmag. that's about it... not very hardcore...

12-04-2004, 07:49 AM	#44
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i think corolla's run ESP, but they may be in DSP. __________________ HighTach Motorsports

12-04-2004, 02:32 PM	#46
hurleyboi514 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Fort Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh ok, i thought u were asking if corolla's were in DSP or not. i bet, when built around the rules, the GTS would be a hell of an autox car... especially in DSP!! thats an intresting idea! __________________ HighTach Motorsports

12-04-2004, 11:53 PM	#47
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 39 Posts: 3,112 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Corollas all run FSP, including the AE86. Autopower sells roll cages that fit inside the uncut factory interior trim because that's what sells. They also serve a purpose... SCCA Showroom Stock road race cars have to retain full interiors.

12-06-2004, 10:07 AM	#48
LanceS13 AutoX Junkie Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: MS Age: 39 Posts: 2,044 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think they moved (or at least were talking about) moving the AE86 from FSP to DSP b/c Takoa Aono (sp?) kicked too much ass in his in FSP. plans for the off-season: -timing chain for my '90 SOHC -pick up the DOHC block from the shop -assemble and install engine in the '92 -assemble turbo stuff, make custom i/c and exhaust piping, relocate radiator -work out turbo bugs -install Kaaz 1.5 -maybe do the cage -corner weight and alignment __________________ 1992 240SX Fastback #47 DSP MS SCCA RX-7 ITS Project FOR SALE

12-06-2004, 11:31 AM	#49
JaeTea Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: EC Posts: 967 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: JaeTea Feedback Score: 3 reviews	For the 240sx I plan on saving for ANOTHER set of rims and tires, tires, tires! I'm gonna also get some more suspension mods to stiffen the chassis as much as possible. Thinking sway bar, power brace...and a harness. For the WRX probly just a rear swaybar and new tires. __________________ KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!KILL!

12-24-2004, 01:56 PM	#50
The ROMAN Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: NJ Age: 38 Posts: 730 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Well I'm gonna rip the KA out after chrismas, paint the engine bay to match the rest of the car (Used to be red, now satin black), and throw my redtop in. Pretty stockish, SMIC, full 3" exhuast, Apexi intake, HKS Super BOV, fuel pump, engine mounts, etc. Throw my sub frame spacers in OEM pignose lip going on strip the car down a little more, headliner, door panels, and maybe CD player and speakers maybe spray the interior flat black and change my diff fluid

12-24-2004, 02:34 PM	#51
msaskin Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV / Albany, NY Age: 37 Posts: 268 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: msaskin Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Winter (spring) plans for me: building a new car I just found out that the 240sx is eligible to compete in the Nasa SE-R cup in the SRX ("extreme"!!!) class so long as you run an SR20 engine. Come february or march I'll pick up a new car and the work begins. Plans: -gut car (duh) -coilovers -various other suspension pieces as necessary -wheels + tires (Toyo RA-1's most likely) -unsure on brake setup yet -near stock SR20 with some reliability mods (arp studs, head gasket, oil cooler, etc...) -safety stuff (custom cage, whatever seat I get a deal on, harnesses, etc.) A few other goodies ~matt __________________ it's not turbo lag...it's foreplay '01 Ford Excursion Limited. Powerstroke Diesel Coming in spring: ???

12-24-2004, 10:00 PM	#52
nlzmo400r Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,248 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i actually just got finished stripping out the sound deadening, and im gonna throw in new carpet (gotta have carpet to run STU, but it dont say shit bout sound deadening ). Just changed tranny fluid/diff fluid. Getting the new 225/50/r15 azenis (gonna put them fatties over stock s13 wheels). And ill be getting (hopefully) RUCA's and Whiteline swaybars. __________________ 'my drinking team has a racing problem' [email protected] - gt32 .6bar

12-25-2004, 09:22 AM	#53
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Usually, if SCCA rules don't talk about something, it's because it's not allowed. You can't remove sound deadening in stock, street prep, street touring and street mod classes. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

12-25-2004, 07:35 PM	#54
nlzmo400r Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,248 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well either way, when they tech me (atleast at the non point events) they'll never notice anyway. __________________ 'my drinking team has a racing problem' [email protected] - gt32 .6bar

12-25-2004, 08:56 PM	#55
MovinUp-1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Now I'm in Texas Posts: 243 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I will. I usually tech the cars at Delta events. You may want to read the rule book before you do any more illegal mods. Or at least ask someone local that knows the rules. __________________ Allen Delta Region SCCA SM 1990 240SX SR20DET

12-26-2004, 09:47 AM	#56
nlzmo400r Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: louisiana Posts: 1,248 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	haha, hey allen, i didnt know you were on zilvia. But anyway, everytime i go to a delta event, they try to place me in a different class, as if nobody knows EXACTLY what class i should be in. And they usually just let me run in STU because its not like they actually count for points. (I dont ever attend TLAC) __________________ 'my drinking team has a racing problem' [email protected] - gt32 .6bar

12-26-2004, 07:27 PM	#57
MovinUp-1 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Now I'm in Texas Posts: 243 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, it is up to the competitor to know what class they should belong in. However, the persons at registration should help people who are new to class their car properly. Technically, your car is only legal for Prepared now that you have removed your sound deadener. So what other mods are you planning? If I can assist with anything let me know. __________________ Allen Delta Region SCCA SM 1990 240SX SR20DET

12-28-2004, 05:48 AM	#60
jmauld Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Cary, NC Age: 45 Posts: 362 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Most 225s will fit on a 6" rim. You're better off running a wide rim, but if you're limited by class rules, then get the widest tire that will fit on the widest rim you can run. __________________ Jason '95 240sx SE

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