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ka24det-power · 06-13-2005, 10:16 PM

You have DRIVERS and you have BUILDERS.

I am a BUILDER - I haven’t owned a car yet that I didn’t end up tearing down to the frame. My most recent S13 project is a prime example. I upgrade, boost, break, rebuild, cut, chop, paint, slam, tune, every car I own. It is an extension of your personality. A highly modified car commands respect on the road and there is no better feeling than knowing that you created this monster that mustangs have 4 cylinder nightmares about.

IMO if you are a DRIVER then go buy a SRT4 or STI where you can get a warranty, you can’t expect to drive a 10 year old modified vehicle and not get your hands dirty.

I too am very busy,.. I am a IT Manger on a 550 workstation network for an International company, but I always make time to bolt on a fresh BB turbo upgrade.

SochBAT · 06-14-2005, 02:46 AM

Well, even if being a mechanic will make us "fall behind" as far as fixing cars, that doesn't mean we just stop learning period. And its not really as if they suddenly drop a whole new type of engine/suspension setup totally foreign to mechs. All technology really does is improve working condition things, and make them more efficient.

MakotoS13 · 06-14-2005, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurDz

"I may have friends who know how to wrench better than me, who can weld better than me, and who can cut metal and build great race cars better than me, but in the end, all of it is based around the the typical fundamental designs of today. Once technology improves, those people will fall behind and have to re-learn a whole new way of working with cars, go to another technical college to learn the current technology, while we [engineers] are always looking forward to improve and innovate."

wrong. as an engineer you should constantly be rethinking ideas, tearing them down to make them better, mechanics adapt to this.

if the engineer does his job right the mechanic doesn't have to think too hard.

Replicant_S14 · 06-14-2005, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ka24det-power

IMO if you are a DRIVER then go buy a SRT4 or STI where you can get a warranty, you can’t expect to drive a 10 year old modified vehicle and not get your hands dirty.

Those aren't 4cyl FR coupes. If that's what you want, you're kinda stuck.

Besides, if I were to build a car like I wanted it, it'd cost me around 20k and I'd probably only get half that if I sold it. That isn't even taking in to account the value of my time. If you can find one that's already done to your liking (or even close), it makes economic sense. That's what the original poster is talking about.

ayes · 06-14-2005, 09:11 AM

some shops are plain retarded, i went in for an alignment and the car came out worse than it was when i brought it there, with like 0 degrees of caster on one side and like stock on the other, DIY owns

420sx · 06-14-2005, 11:33 AM

^^^i dont trust any of those hoes anymore. incompetent fools. good places cost alot.

*NemeGuero* · 06-14-2005, 01:17 PM

You're spoiled man.. you want all the work to be done for you and not have to lift a finger.. it's not 'cuz you don't enjoy workin' on your own car anymore, it's cuz you're lazy. haha, don't buy another 240, especially with a swap..

TurDz · 06-14-2005, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MakotoS13

wrong. as an engineer you should constantly be rethinking ideas, tearing them down to make them better, mechanics adapt to this.

if the engineer does his job right the mechanic doesn't have to think too hard.

where am I wrong makoto? didn't I say improve and innovate? doesn't the definition of innovate mean bring totally new ideas to the table?

*NemeGuero* · 06-14-2005, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ka24det-power

You have DRIVERS and you have BUILDERS.

I am a BUILDER - I haven’t owned a car yet that I didn’t end up tearing down to the frame. My most recent S13 project is a prime example. I upgrade, boost, break, rebuild, cut, chop, paint, slam, tune, every car I own. It is an extension of your personality. A highly modified car commands respect on the road and there is no better feeling than knowing that you created this monster that mustangs have 4 cylinder nightmares about.

IMO if you are a DRIVER then go buy a SRT4 or STI where you can get a warranty, you can’t expect to drive a 10 year old modified vehicle and not get your hands dirty.

I too am very busy,.. I am a IT Manger on a 550 workstation network for an International company, but I always make time to bolt on a fresh BB turbo upgrade.

dude, you said it perfectly...

TurDz · 06-14-2005, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSnail

What if your a Mechanical Engineer at GT, and since you dont have a job since HOPE pays for everything, you spend all your free time wrenchin, doing swaps, making money, doing every type of swap, and making a bunch of innovative things for the 240. Its very simple once you get the concept of what makes a car or 240 in this case. It then becomes like lego's. I dont see how wrenchin on your own car would affect your future career. In fact, for us engineers, wrenching now, will better our career in the future.

I guess people are interpreting my post as different things. It's not black or white. I'm just saying people would like to invest time in their priorities. My professor's priorties were vehicle dynmaics and control systems. I think all he did was go to school, get his Ph.D, and get a job "designing stuff."

By all means, if you have free time, wrench away. That's what I do. I just wanted to point out why preferring not to wrench shouldn't be considered a bad thing.

ZK · 06-14-2005, 03:05 PM

I wrench when I can but I know my limits and when its time for someone else to take over.

And yes, quality mechanics are hard to find. You definitely get what you pay for.

MakotoS13 · 06-14-2005, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurDz

where am I wrong makoto? didn't I say improve and innovate? doesn't the definition of innovate mean bring totally new ideas to the table?

bringing a new idea that makes sense in a manner that is the most efficient way possible makes it easier on the mechanic. i.e. the easy access panel in the trunk that makes dropping the tank to install a fuel pump unecessary.

contrast that to the auto tranny in the FWD cougar. its sidways and you can't pull the pan off to change the fluid inside of it, thus, it or the car is badly engineered.

if they do their job right it makes fixing their creation easier. if they innovate just for the sake of change it mucks it all up. its as simple as that.

*revat619* · 06-14-2005, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZK

I wrench when I can but I know my limits and when its time for someone else to take over.

And yes, quality mechanics are hard to find. You definitely get what you pay for.

My point EXACTLY.

Quality mechanics are definitely hard to find. If i have to pay somebody to do work on my car, there's only one mechanic locally that i trust. He always does a kick ass job.

2JZGTE · 06-14-2005, 03:39 PM

It's always nice to have someone do your car work for you because then you don't have to bust your ASS.

I don't mind working on my cars though. I get satisfaction out of simply knowing the car was built by myself.

When something breaks guess what? You know exactly what it is and how to fix it... not to say you won't know how to fix it if someone else has been working on your car, but you will bitch and whine more when that part breaks because you aren't use to working on your car anymore. If something breaks on mine, it's just another day of working in the garage, no biggie.

Some people just don't get satisfaction out of the effort needed to work on their own cars. As with anything, if you don't like doing it or don't get satisfaction out of doing it then you might as well pay someone else to do it for you. My friends think I'm crazy for the amount of work I put in my rides but it's all relative. They don't work on their own cars, but they also don't enjoy them as much as me and they pay more than me when their shit breaks.

Is the time needed worth it to you? Also, do you get any enjoyment out of doing your own work and seeing the end result? The original poster sounds like he needs to put his time into other more important areas. Of course...time is precious and in some circumstances it would be stupid to throw a lot of your man-hours into your car if it can be applied to other things more important to you. CHOOSE WISELY

whew
billy

infinitexsound · 06-14-2005, 05:01 PM

AND THE SURVEY SAYS!

This thread is getting GAY! :ghey:

SDS14Driver · 06-14-2005, 05:53 PM

If i had the $$ to hire Jim Wolf Technology's expertise on a regular basis vs doing my own stuff, sheeit, i would have had them wrenching like yesterday. It just boils down to who you trust for the job you need done; true a lot of us know a lot about our car's make up n stuff and we have our own preferences but a pro's a pro. Having a professional shop care for your car may actually spark your interest in what's going on under the hood.

I'm anal about my car though so i can't stand anybody else working on it unless they're a super well known nissan expert tuner shop like JWT; and even then i'd only hire them for something i couldn't handle myself.

Get your doctorate and have your car professionally tuned to your liking so all you'll have to do is regular PM on a perfectly customized vehicle.

06-14-2005, 09:11 AM	#35
ayes Join Date: May 2005 Location: fl Posts: 48 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	some shops are plain retarded, i went in for an alignment and the car came out worse than it was when i brought it there, with like 0 degrees of caster on one side and like stock on the other, DIY owns __________________ ninja vanish

06-14-2005, 11:33 AM	#36
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^i dont trust any of those hoes anymore. incompetent fools. good places cost alot. __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

06-14-2005, 03:05 PM	#41
ZK Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Cal Posts: 1,068 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wrench when I can but I know my limits and when its time for someone else to take over. And yes, quality mechanics are hard to find. You definitely get what you pay for. __________________ SOLD: 91 240SX Coupe SR20DET, 05 Evolution 8 NEW: 08 Evoluton 10

06-14-2005, 03:39 PM	#44
2JZGTE Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Midwest Age: 39 Posts: 332 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	It's always nice to have someone do your car work for you because then you don't have to bust your ASS. I don't mind working on my cars though. I get satisfaction out of simply knowing the car was built by myself. When something breaks guess what? You know exactly what it is and how to fix it... not to say you won't know how to fix it if someone else has been working on your car, but you will bitch and whine more when that part breaks because you aren't use to working on your car anymore. If something breaks on mine, it's just another day of working in the garage, no biggie. Some people just don't get satisfaction out of the effort needed to work on their own cars. As with anything, if you don't like doing it or don't get satisfaction out of doing it then you might as well pay someone else to do it for you. My friends think I'm crazy for the amount of work I put in my rides but it's all relative. They don't work on their own cars, but they also don't enjoy them as much as me and they pay more than me when their shit breaks. Is the time needed worth it to you? Also, do you get any enjoyment out of doing your own work and seeing the end result? The original poster sounds like he needs to put his time into other more important areas. Of course...time is precious and in some circumstances it would be stupid to throw a lot of your man-hours into your car if it can be applied to other things more important to you. CHOOSE WISELY whew billy __________________ R35 GT-R, R32 GT-R, Supra, S13, S14, FD3S

06-14-2005, 05:01 PM	#45
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	AND THE SURVEY SAYS! This thread is getting GAY! :ghey: __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

06-13-2005, 10:16 PM	#31
ka24det-power Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 188 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You have DRIVERS and you have BUILDERS. I am a BUILDER - I haven’t owned a car yet that I didn’t end up tearing down to the frame. My most recent S13 project is a prime example. I upgrade, boost, break, rebuild, cut, chop, paint, slam, tune, every car I own. It is an extension of your personality. A highly modified car commands respect on the road and there is no better feeling than knowing that you created this monster that mustangs have 4 cylinder nightmares about. IMO if you are a DRIVER then go buy a SRT4 or STI where you can get a warranty, you can’t expect to drive a 10 year old modified vehicle and not get your hands dirty. I too am very busy,.. I am a IT Manger on a 550 workstation network for an International company, but I always make time to bolt on a fresh BB turbo upgrade.

06-14-2005, 02:46 AM	#32
SochBAT Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Abilene, TX Age: 35 Posts: 6,428 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: SochBAT Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Well, even if being a mechanic will make us "fall behind" as far as fixing cars, that doesn't mean we just stop learning period. And its not really as if they suddenly drop a whole new type of engine/suspension setup totally foreign to mechs. All technology really does is improve working condition things, and make them more efficient.

06-14-2005, 01:17 PM	#37
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	You're spoiled man.. you want all the work to be done for you and not have to lift a finger.. it's not 'cuz you don't enjoy workin' on your own car anymore, it's cuz you're lazy. haha, don't buy another 240, especially with a swap..

06-14-2005, 05:53 PM	#46
SDS14Driver Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2005 Location: Southern California Age: 52 Posts: 103 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If i had the $$ to hire Jim Wolf Technology's expertise on a regular basis vs doing my own stuff, sheeit, i would have had them wrenching like yesterday. It just boils down to who you trust for the job you need done; true a lot of us know a lot about our car's make up n stuff and we have our own preferences but a pro's a pro. Having a professional shop care for your car may actually spark your interest in what's going on under the hood. I'm anal about my car though so i can't stand anybody else working on it unless they're a super well known nissan expert tuner shop like JWT; and even then i'd only hire them for something i couldn't handle myself. Get your doctorate and have your car professionally tuned to your liking so all you'll have to do is regular PM on a perfectly customized vehicle.

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