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01-29-2013, 04:38 PM | #91 | |
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All of those stats don't mean shit because America has way to many fucking guns to go back. Once you realize that gun proliferation is a fantacy in this country we can begin to address the real problems. Poverty, war on drugs, inadequate health/mental health system, poor education, decreased access to higher learning, access to the arts. |
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01-29-2013, 05:18 PM | #93 |
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They should do medical and criminal background checks for legit gun owners. If illegal gun owners are smart they wouldn't flash the fact that they have guns unless they are crazy or stupid. There is pretty much no way to regulate them.
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01-29-2013, 05:42 PM | #94 | |
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Do I get to do a background check on a women wanting an abortion? Can we do back ground checks on voters? |
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01-29-2013, 05:51 PM | #95 |
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Mental health and gun ownership is a valid concern. I'm talking about new gun buyers but at the same time I don't feel safe knowing that there are mentally unstable gun owners out there. What happens next time I go to the range and some unstable gun owner decides to lose it? I'm sure he will get shot down but what if he takes an innocent person out before that happens?
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01-29-2013, 05:57 PM | #96 | |
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Sounds like a mental health issue and is shoveling completely independent of gun ownership. Buying a gun should not be the Troigger point for the government to commit you. Also....ok your nuts and want a gun.... now what? |
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01-29-2013, 06:05 PM | #97 | |
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Who said anything about being committed? They just wouldn't be able to own a gun. If you're mentally unstable and you want a gun too bad. Adam Lanza was mentally unstable and look what happened. So were the majority of the other shooters in the other incidents. Did you see the video the shooter posted from Virginia Tech? What about that father and son picking people off in DC? You sound like you want everybody to be able to have a gun no matter what their state of mind and IMO that's not safe. Only RESPONSIBLE people should be allowed to own guns. What is there to argue? |
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01-29-2013, 06:27 PM | #99 |
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What I find interesting are these:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...w=1440&bih=775 How often are gun buy backs happening in your area? The state is buying up citizen's legal guns for $100 per rifle. They're using the poor economic state and scare tactics to guilt legal gun owners into selling their guns for gas money. -_- |
01-29-2013, 06:33 PM | #100 |
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Define - responsible? Where do you draw the line? |
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01-29-2013, 07:08 PM | #102 | |
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It's easier to kill someone with a gun than with fertilizer Exactly. Adam never bought a gun but look what he did. Like I said, there is no way to control that unless they do a mental health check for immediate family members too. If an irresponsible person votes the damage won't immediately get someone killed. If an irresponsible person gets a gun the likelihood of someone getting killed sooner is more so. Everything needs regulation or there will be complete chaos. Your posts seem to lean towards no regulation at all. It is impossible to have a society without laws in place. I am just trying to minimize casualties with sensible regulations. Why do you feel that mentally unstable people should be allowed to own guns, anyway? |
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01-29-2013, 07:16 PM | #103 | |||
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01-29-2013, 07:24 PM | #104 | |||
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What about my neighbor? I can't own a gun because I live in a rough neighborhood? I mean with people wanting to list gun owners online... then what? Quote:
Your buddy Adam was never labeled "mentally unstable"... he was never diagnosed... so even with new laws, he could have bought a gun. |
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01-29-2013, 07:27 PM | #105 | |
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Kill a bunch of white people in a movie theater or shoot some white kids at school and OMFG ban guns. |
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01-29-2013, 08:06 PM | #106 | |
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But it's obvious there are a lot of people on here who do not agree with me and to those of you I say: "I respect your opinion, so please respect mine." |
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01-29-2013, 08:11 PM | #109 |
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There are a few established tests. They don't have to reinvent the wheel. Anything that identifies conditions where a person might hurt himself or others without a weapon. I don't really feel like googling them all right now but if you want I can later.
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01-29-2013, 08:35 PM | #110 |
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So how are they going to hold down a job and support their families? Don't we already have an overcrowding problem in our prisons? Now you want to fill them with depressed people who are trying to get to work so they can take care of their kids?
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01-29-2013, 08:38 PM | #111 |
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So what, you have to take a 4 hour test before buying a gun?
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01-29-2013, 08:42 PM | #112 |
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What is an "immediate" family member?
Someone that shares a residence? Someone related by birth or marriage? What if I'm buying that gun to protect myself from them... What if I already bought a gun and them my wife goes fucking batty? Are the feds then going to come and take it from me? How would they even know? |
01-29-2013, 08:46 PM | #113 | |
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So I'm depressed, I hate my life.... but now I don't dare go to a doctor because you are going to take my license, take my guns.... I'll lose my job, and shit, while we're at it, why not just take my kids and pets as well? What ever happen to patient + doctor confidentiality and de-stigmatizing mental illness? We should be HELPING people get help to make them better... not punishing them for things beyond their control. |
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01-29-2013, 08:56 PM | #114 | |
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Now back to the car thing. The mental health thing isn't going to premptively stop car accidents, this isn't gonna be some 'Minority Report' thing, it will be fought all the way through. The same will go for firearms. I think gang bangers could easily pass as 'mentally healthy'. Their lives are dictated by the society they live in and what they do is rewarded by others they look up to, just like my boss rewarding me for getting those damn TPS reports in on time. We are, however, digressing.
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01-29-2013, 08:57 PM | #115 |
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An assault weapons ban will not get illegal guns off the street. Quite the contrary, most legal gun owners would probably ignore it.
I knew people who procured AK47's during the original ban. Creating a law won't stop the flow of guns. It won't stop the "mass murders" that so conveniently take place in gun free zones. What a noble concept.
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01-29-2013, 09:21 PM | #116 |
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THIS. Kids and young adults are getting killed DAILY in Chicago and Detroit, yet I havent heard anyone talk about them. If you tackle gang violence, there goes a majority of the gun related deaths that happen each year.
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01-29-2013, 09:58 PM | #117 | |
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01-30-2013, 07:02 AM | #118 |
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I'm sure he has, but those figures don't lead him to any of the conclusions he is looking for so he finds others to post which he thinks do.
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01-30-2013, 09:37 AM | #119 |
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That is definitely a problem. I've been doing a lot of research on conspiracy theories lately and one "secret society" has a solution. They will "reduce" the current population from 7 billion people down to 500 million through planned "wars and disasters" and implant the remaining population with RFID chips. These chips will contain information about EVERYTHING. Bank accounts, medical history, credit history, driving records, social security, GUN RECORDS, etc. The chip will be used to transact EVERYTHING. If you refuse to be plugged into the system you won't be able to buy food or do anything else. 500 million people is a lot more manageable. Coincidentally, I still think 9/11 and the Sandy Hook shootings were both staged, among other incidents.
This sounds crazy, but what other solutions are there? All we are doing is going back and forth over how this and that will or won't work but NO SOLUTION. The thing that scared me is that the RFID chips will be planted either in the person's right hand or their forehead. Skip to 2:20 and listen if you don't want to watch the whole vid: Mark Of The Beast the man who Designed the RFID Chip ! Part 1 - YouTube And then I read THIS: Revelations 13:16-18: It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man. That number is 666. To me, this is too much of a coincidence. Anyway, I don't want to diverge from this discussion, but I think we need to look beyond just the topic of "gun control," and look at the topic of "total control." Google "New World Order." Last edited by usdm180sx; 01-30-2013 at 10:18 AM.. |
01-30-2013, 12:20 PM | #120 |
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To decrease gang violence you must end the war on drugs, decriminalize and regulate drugs and expand impoverished youth opportunities.
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