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*holemilk00* · 03-17-2011, 12:40 PM

exactly ^^Even a 240 with an LSx isn't a corvette, the geometry of the cars are different.

Hes making the statement that if the Challenger can be a drift car then so can a Z32 like they are the same car. What he doesn't realize is to a point, yes anything can be a drift car, it just takes enough money, look at the scion tc, but I would be willing to bet they passed the $100k mark without blinking an eye. Its sponsors money, if the OP has $100k to drop in this Z32, good for him, but I would hope he would be smarter with his money. Its easy to spend when its given to you from a sponsorship, its a little different when its your bank account.

ericcastro · 03-17-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by holemilk00

exactly ^^Even a 240 with an LSx isn't a corvette, the geometry of the cars are different.

Hes making the statement that if the Challenger can be a drift car then so can a Z32 like they are the same car. What he doesn't realize is to a point, yes anything can be a drift car, it just takes enough money, look at the scion tc, but I would be willing to bet they passed the $100k mark without blinking an eye. Its sponsors money, if the OP has $100k to drop in this Z32, good for him, but I would hope he would be smarter with his money. Its easy to spend when its given to you from a sponsorship, its a little different when its your bank account.

And I am sure a 100K went into the viper, and the Challenger,......
And they still make bad drift cars.

Some cars are better to drift Professionally, and thats just the reality.
A Z32 is in the ,"not a competitive" car catagory.

Also, this may have a V8, but its not a competitive Chassis either.

Some cars are just not for professional level racing.

NismoTuner21 · 03-19-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ericcastro

Some cars are just not for professional level drift racing.

Fixed =p

I've slid a few pretty well setup s-chassis, and they're soooo easy to drift since they're so nimble. But I feel like I get better speeds in my car, and although it's heavier, it's very easy to control as well. Also, in full lock with the double wishbone setup, the front of the car feels more planted than with the McPherson setup. We'll just have to see how the car does in serious competition if it makes it there I guess.

rb25_s13*CHUKI · 03-20-2011, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by holemilk00

So you're saying a challenger and a z32 are the same chassis with different body work?

I'm going to start with wheel base, then move on to a turbo inline six vs a v8 with torque, not to mention weight, and a host of other things. They are different cars man. That's what makes them different. That's like saying what makes a 240 different from a ZO6.

So a turbo Inline six doesn't have torque? I love how all of a sudden the only thing In this world that has torque are Ls engines! whoooooopty doooooo! Go look at some drag racing, 4 cylinders are knockin on v8s doors In the 5 second range! They have already blown through 7 second and 8 seconds and 9 seconds. V8s are not the sauce,. Op dont listen to anyone who says oh just put a ls engine. Stick with what u want! Go turbo 6 cylinder! screw v8's!

Good luck with your z! sucks to hear that u couldn't make the fire wall mods and move the engine back to get some weight balance outa the z!

codyace · 03-20-2011, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

So a turbo Inline six doesn't have torque? I love how all of a sudden the only thing In this world that has torque are Ls engines! whoooooopty doooooo! Go look at some drag racing, 4 cylinders are knockin on v8s doors In the 5 second range! They have already blown through 7 second and 8 seconds and 9 seconds. V8s are not the sauce,. Op dont listen to anyone who says oh just put a ls engine. Stick with what u want! Go turbo 6 cylinder! screw v8's!

You show be a reliable (posssible) 5 seocnd 4 cyl turbo car, and I'll take you out to dinner. That is prostock range. Heck for a door slammer v8 turbo/blower car making huge hp, 6/7 second passes are hard to come by.

Turst me, I'm not saying it's impossible...but I did see pigs flying. today.

Just because you've got some oddball hate with performance, doesn't mean you should dismiss it.

rb25_s13*CHUKI · 03-20-2011, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by codyace

You show be a reliable (posssible) 5 seocnd 4 cyl turbo car, and I'll take you out to dinner. That is prostock range. Heck for a door slammer v8 turbo/blower car making huge hp, 6/7 second passes are hard to come by.

Turst me, I'm not saying it's impossible...but I did see pigs flying. today.

Just because you've got some oddball hate with performance, doesn't mean you should dismiss it.

Well there are a few evos in 7 range, look up apc evo 3. Sheppard dsm eclipse runs 7s. There is a eclpise that runs 6s,there's a couple 1.3 rotarys in the 6s. Number of supras run 7s. Look it up on youtube. There's alot of cars. Countless evos in 8 seconds with full street trim.

*Wake* · 03-20-2011, 09:20 PM

how do your words taste?

you said and I quote

Quote:

In the 5 second range.

I dont even see the number 5 in your last post.

I dislike V8 swaps too but your not making a very good argument.

Pure_JDM · 03-20-2011, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

how do your words taste?

my thoughts exactly...

This thread should be locked down like the rest of em. the OP answered his own question by getting a hold of the damn rules, which he should have searched for in the first place, rather than starting this fail of a thread.

rb25_s13*CHUKI · 03-21-2011, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

how do your words taste?

you said and I quote I dont even see the number 5 in your last post.

I dislike V8 swaps too but your not making a very good argument.

They taste good! I said knocking on the v8 5 second range.. Meaning the v8s that are running 5s , their door Is getting knocked on. they haven't opened It yet but Its getting knocked on. Nice way to make a point!

rb25_s13*CHUKI · 03-21-2011, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pure_JDM

my thoughts exactly...

This thread should be locked down like the rest of em. the OP answered his own question by getting a hold of the damn rules, which he should have searched for in the first place, rather than starting this fail of a thread.

Oh wow you look cool! You said fail of a thread! Nice!

Toi · 03-21-2011, 06:33 AM

The difference between a 6.9 and 6.5 happens to be insane when you are talking drag racing. You really should shut up!

Darren · 03-21-2011, 07:59 AM

On Topic:

OP: good luck man, strive to be different, no matter what the retarded peanut gallery says.

I agree with the guy that said you'd probably want to build a new chassis if you went FD, so build your car now the way you want to see it, and then build a FD car to FD spec when you get there.

<3 Zilvia

NismoTuner21 · 03-21-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

So a turbo Inline six doesn't have torque? I love how all of a sudden the only thing In this world that has torque are Ls engines! whoooooopty doooooo! Go look at some drag racing, 4 cylinders are knockin on v8s doors In the 5 second range! They have already blown through 7 second and 8 seconds and 9 seconds. V8s are not the sauce,. Op dont listen to anyone who says oh just put a ls engine. Stick with what u want! Go turbo 6 cylinder! screw v8's!

Good luck with your z! sucks to hear that u couldn't make the fire wall mods and move the engine back to get some weight balance outa the z!

Thanks.

I made 360whp and 353tq at 4k rpm on a mustang dyno with a stock TT VG, 2.5 in. exhaust, 17psi, and a tune. My co-worker/tuner has an LS2 FD, I fucking love the car, but he got graped in every race we tried.

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Originally Posted by Darren

On Topic:

OP: good luck man, strive to be different, no matter what the retarded peanut gallery says.

I agree with the guy that said you'd probably want to build a new chassis if you went FD, so build your car now the way you want to see it, and then build a FD car to FD spec when you get there.

<3 Zilvia

Thanks dude, but I'm still not understanding how the Z is uncompetitive. No one has given a valid point.

word sux · 03-21-2011, 09:26 AM

don't listen to the haters man. I doubt any of these guys have ever drifted a z32 they are just regurgitating things that they have heard. That how all these forums are though.

I have never tried to drift a z32 myself but if you have and you like it then more power to ya!

ericcastro · 03-21-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Darren

I agree with the guy that said you'd probably want to build a new chassis if you went FD,

That was me

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Originally Posted by word sux

I doubt any of these guys have ever drifted a z32......

and yes i have.

What the heck are you guys arguing about now?
V8's again??

Jeez, when are the fanboi's gonna realize it just makes sense.
Unless you want to spend 200K on your drift car like Kumokuba

Stop the hate, go V8 !!

PoorMans180SX · 03-21-2011, 10:05 AM

Bro, the LSx series are the best engines ever built. They're all reliable, and performancey, and torquey and stuffs man. Every car maker in the world should just quit making other engines, we already have the pinnacle of engines in our hands.

But for serious:

I'd just like to say.

LSx's belong in the cars they were built for. Chevrolet's.

You should just put a VG33ET in your Z. Or a VH45 like I said before. IMO.

kthxbye.

word sux · 03-21-2011, 10:20 AM

does anyone else realize that the lsx is a different linup then the ls motors???

sorry, but i had to be that guy.

PoorMans180SX · 03-21-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by word sux

does anyone else realize that the lsx is a different linup then the ls motors???

sorry, but i had to be that guy.

You realize that the X stands for any of the numbers you can put in there right? There is no such thing as an LSX. The only LS engine that has a letter is the LSA.

word sux · 03-21-2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

You realize that the X stands for any of the numbers you can put in there right? There is no such thing as an LSX. The only LS engine that has a letter is the LSA.

wrong there is a series called the LSX. Its a GM Crate motor for racing only. There is an LSX 383 and an LSX 454.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sqs6qAqgaM

**ThatGuy** · 03-21-2011, 11:51 AM

Those are indeed two "LSX" engines.

However, LS"X" can also be used to denote the entire line of the LS family of engines.

LS1
LS2
LS3
LS4
LS6
LS7
LS7.R
LS9
LSA

As well as the Vortec engines found in GM Trucks and SUVs.

LR4
L33
LM7
LM4
L59
LQ4
LQ9
LY2
LH6
LY5
LMG
LC9
LH8
L76
LY6
LFA
L92

They are all LS based engines and thus referred to as LSx by builders. Since once you interchange blocks, cranks, heads, etc, it no longer falls into one single engine name.

Technically, you are both right, and it's not worth arguing over on a Nissan Forum.

Have a nice day.

PoorMans180SX · 03-21-2011, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Technically, you are both right, and it's not worth arguing over on a Nissan Forum.

Have a nice day.

Point taken. Sorry for the thread jack NismoTuner21.

*holemilk00* · 03-21-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NismoTuner21

I made 360whp and 353tq at 4k rpm on a mustang dyno with a stock TT VG, 2.5 in. exhaust, 17psi, and a tune. My co-worker/tuner has an LS2 FD, I fucking love the car, but he got graped in every race we tried.

.

Your co-worker/tuner can't drive for shit then. Sorry man, I LOVE Z32's and would really like to have one down the road. But if you put down 360/353 you should have gotten raped by a LS2 FD.

codyace · 03-21-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

Well there are a few evos in 7 range, look up apc evo 3. Sheppard dsm eclipse runs 7s. There is a eclpise that runs 6s,there's a couple 1.3 rotarys in the 6s. Number of supras run 7s. Look it up on youtube. There's alot of cars. Countless evos in 8 seconds with full street trim.

YOu don't know much about drag rcing if you consider the second difference in 7 and 8 second cars 'knocking' on the doors...that's a LIFETIME of difference at that power level.

7 Second streetable Evo? LAUGHABLE. Streetable to me is hop and drive, not make a bullshit youtube video going to Wendy's.

6 Second 1.3 Rotaries that last 6 passes without exploding in their fiberglass bodied drag cars? and being pushed out of the brunout box...Not impressive

There is a HUGE difference in reliable streetable power...I have good friends with 9 second street cars that I've helped put together and build...and let me tell you, they are on the fine line of things in regard to driveable IMO.

In the end of the day, I like all things fast...I could care less abotu brand loyalty, or powerplant...but to say things like 'oh look this race car ran 7's on a 4g63 they all can area are awesome' is a unfair (silly) point of reference....as a 7 second V8 car is not streetable at all aside from a few fun miles....and the ones that are 'streetable' cost more than a house.

Sorry for the threadjack, but I can't stand people are opinionated without an ounce of experience (youtube videos do not count) regarding single digit cars.

Magical Trevor · 03-21-2011, 03:39 PM

Quote:

I made 360whp and 353tq at 4k rpm on a mustang dyno with a stock TT VG, 2.5 in. exhaust, 17psi, and a tune. My co-worker/tuner has an LS2 FD, I fucking love the car, but he got graped in every race we tried.

Homie, even if the LS2 was stock, and it's not because it has bolt ons because of the swap. You wouldn't even come CLOSE to raping him. On top of that, the power to weight ratio of the FD vs your Z32 wouldn't even be close. Oh, and don't say because your 1JZ had more top end than the LS2, because the top end of an LSX laughs at 90% of turbo engines.

Magical Trevor · 03-21-2011, 03:44 PM

Just reading through this thread.... It's pointless.... Build your car, go and compete... go home and realize that the Z32 isn't the BEST choice for drifting... but you gave it a shot anyways.

rb25_s13*CHUKI · 03-21-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by codyace

YOu don't know much about drag rcing if you consider the second difference in 7 and 8 second cars 'knocking' on the doors...that's a LIFETIME of difference at that power level.

7 Second streetable Evo? LAUGHABLE. Streetable to me is hop and drive, not make a bullshit youtube video going to Wendy's.

6 Second 1.3 Rotaries that last 6 passes without exploding in their fiberglass bodied drag cars? and being pushed out of the brunout box...Not impressive

There is a HUGE difference in reliable streetable power...I have good friends with 9 second street cars that I've helped put together and build...and let me tell you, they are on the fine line of things in regard to driveable IMO.

In the end of the day, I like all things fast...I could care less abotu brand loyalty, or powerplant...but to say things like 'oh look this race car ran 7's on a 4g63 they all can area are awesome' is a unfair (silly) point of reference....as a 7 second V8 car is not streetable at all aside from a few fun miles....and the ones that are 'streetable' cost more than a house.

Sorry for the threadjack, but I can't stand people are opinionated without an ounce of experience (youtube videos do not count) regarding single digit cars.

All I'm saying is V8s are not the god engine on this earth there are other engine yes little 4 cylinders that can do the same thing as a v8. V8s are not the best engine In the world. If everyone wanted to be the same why dont we all just drive around 9 second novas all day long. Its cheap and easy. Why do u want to be the same? Its boring!

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Originally Posted by Magical Trevor

Homie, even if the LS2 was stock, and it's not because it has bolt ons because of the swap. You wouldn't even come CLOSE to raping him. On top of that, the power to weight ratio of the FD vs your Z32 wouldn't even be close. Oh, and don't say because your 1JZ had more top end than the LS2, because the top end of an LSX laughs at 90% of turbo engines.

Have u ever raced any ls cars? I have! My little 430awhp evo beat countless z06,camaros with ls swaps. Ls engines are not god they have been beaten countless times as any other engine has.

I can make my point but most everyone will bitch out, ANYONE with an ls swapped 240sx that thinks they are god pm me bring that shit out and well see what happens. Don't worry well do all of this In "mexico" or we can simply go to the track if ud like! Famoso speed way, Or weak Irwindale. Which ever ud like

*holemilk00* · 03-21-2011, 04:22 PM

Damn I wish you lived closer.

*Wake* · 03-21-2011, 04:23 PM

your a funny funny guy.
All anyone asked for was proof and you turn into a 'net thug calling people out.

rb25_s13*CHUKI · 03-21-2011, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

your a funny funny guy.
All anyone asked for was proof and you turn into a 'net thug calling people out.

How Is asking people to come proove their v8 cars at the track a net thug? Im not getting violent nothing. Simply asked and thats a net thug. I can go to the car meets and hand out formal Invitations If Ud like. Im simply asking to show me why v8s are the greatest

DRFTWHORE · 03-21-2011, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

your a funny funny guy.
All anyone asked for was proof and you turn into a 'net thug calling people out.

^^lmao net thug, relax no one is gang bangin in the thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by rb25_s13*CHUKI

How Is asking people to come proove their v8 cars at the track a net thug? Im not getting violent nothing. Simply asked and thats a net thug. I can go to the car meets and hand out formal Invitations If Ud like. Im simply asking to show me why v8s are the greatest

^^ me and this guy have been building street cars that will tear the panties off your momma for years, so before you get your panties in a bunch and call people net thugs, bring your high horsepower lsx swapped imports and lets have some 1/4 mile fun

03-17-2011, 12:40 PM	#31
holemilk00 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 2,485 Trader Rating: (33) Feedback Score: 33 reviews	exactly ^^Even a 240 with an LSx isn't a corvette, the geometry of the cars are different. Hes making the statement that if the Challenger can be a drift car then so can a Z32 like they are the same car. What he doesn't realize is to a point, yes anything can be a drift car, it just takes enough money, look at the scion tc, but I would be willing to bet they passed the $100k mark without blinking an eye. Its sponsors money, if the OP has $100k to drop in this Z32, good for him, but I would hope he would be smarter with his money. Its easy to spend when its given to you from a sponsorship, its a little different when its your bank account. __________________ I had a cool signature

03-21-2011, 10:05 AM	#46
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,432 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Bro, the LSx series are the best engines ever built. They're all reliable, and performancey, and torquey and stuffs man. Every car maker in the world should just quit making other engines, we already have the pinnacle of engines in our hands. But for serious: I'd just like to say. LSx's belong in the cars they were built for. Chevrolet's. You should just put a VG33ET in your Z. Or a VH45 like I said before. IMO. kthxbye. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

03-21-2011, 11:51 AM	#50
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Those are indeed two "LSX" engines. However, LS"X" can also be used to denote the entire line of the LS family of engines. LS1 LS2 LS3 LS4 LS6 LS7 LS7.R LS9 LSA As well as the Vortec engines found in GM Trucks and SUVs. LR4 L33 LM7 LM4 L59 LQ4 LQ9 LY2 LH6 LY5 LMG LC9 LH8 L76 LY6 LFA L92 They are all LS based engines and thus referred to as LSx by builders. Since once you interchange blocks, cranks, heads, etc, it no longer falls into one single engine name. Technically, you are both right, and it's not worth arguing over on a Nissan Forum. Have a nice day. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

03-21-2011, 04:22 PM	#57
holemilk00 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 2,485 Trader Rating: (33) Feedback Score: 33 reviews	Damn I wish you lived closer. __________________ I had a cool signature

03-21-2011, 04:23 PM	#58
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 38 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	your a funny funny guy. All anyone asked for was proof and you turn into a 'net thug calling people out. __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

03-21-2011, 06:33 AM	#41
Toi Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Japan Age: 44 Posts: 224 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The difference between a 6.9 and 6.5 happens to be insane when you are talking drag racing. You really should shut up!

03-21-2011, 07:59 AM	#42
Darren Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: kelowna, bc, canada Age: 45 Posts: 680 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	On Topic: OP: good luck man, strive to be different, no matter what the retarded peanut gallery says. I agree with the guy that said you'd probably want to build a new chassis if you went FD, so build your car now the way you want to see it, and then build a FD car to FD spec when you get there. <3 Zilvia

03-21-2011, 09:26 AM	#44
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	don't listen to the haters man. I doubt any of these guys have ever drifted a z32 they are just regurgitating things that they have heard. That how all these forums are though. I have never tried to drift a z32 myself but if you have and you like it then more power to ya!

03-21-2011, 10:20 AM	#47
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	does anyone else realize that the lsx is a different linup then the ls motors??? sorry, but i had to be that guy.

03-21-2011, 03:44 PM	#55
Magical Trevor Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Houston Posts: 610 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Just reading through this thread.... It's pointless.... Build your car, go and compete... go home and realize that the Z32 isn't the BEST choice for drifting... but you gave it a shot anyways.

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