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*e1_griego* · 03-29-2021, 06:40 PM

Yeah I've just never seemed it actually summed up. Only for US market.

***Future240*** · 03-30-2021, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

If you haven't checked the prices of guns, gold, graphics cards or most any desirable thing lately: they've all gone up. Inflation is real.:

THIS. MF THIS. I have been wanting to get a Nvidia 3080 which mrsps for $699. They are selling on ebay for 2k+.

Been looking for a few guns, a VR80 a carbine 9mm, etc. All sold out.

mav1178 · 03-30-2021, 04:28 PM

supply chain constraints in the tech industry is what is limiting supply of GPUs and graphics cards. to just paint it as "inflation" is not really describing anything useful to what is happening beyond the whole "price is going up"

PoorMans180SX · 03-30-2021, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178

supply chain constraints in the tech industry is what is limiting supply of GPUs and graphics cards. to just paint it as "inflation" is not really describing anything useful to what is happening beyond the whole "price is going up"

Sorry, supply and demand, supply restrictions, and trillions in handouts. Is that better?

mav1178 · 03-30-2021, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Sorry, supply and demand, supply restrictions, and trillions in handouts. Is that better?

sure, if you want to think of the US government as the primary producer of tech products in the world.

I get people use "inflation" as slang to describe things, but there are some stuff in the world that requires better terminology for accurate info.

I can type up a long, detailed explanation of why people are buying GPUs for 3-5x MSRP ("inflation", or better yet, personal greed + excessive demand + cryptocurrency pricing 5x in less than 12 months) but if you want to paint a broad brush then I won't contribute to this conversation.

PoorMans180SX · 03-31-2021, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by mav1178

sure, if you want to think of the US government as the primary producer of tech products in the world.

I get people use "inflation" as slang to describe things, but there are some stuff in the world that requires better terminology for accurate info.

I can type up a long, detailed explanation of why people are buying GPUs for 3-5x MSRP ("inflation", or better yet, personal greed + excessive demand + cryptocurrency pricing 5x in less than 12 months) but if you want to paint a broad brush then I won't contribute to this conversation.

I know about all these things, I wasn't really trying to dish out all the details of the current market for all the things I listed in my short, very incomplete list of things that were selling for immensely more money than they were even last year. Inflation is a contributing factor given the current state of the U.S. economy, that was my main point. Sorry I wasn't more specific, but this thread is about engines, so I wasn't trying to veer too far off topic.

Just snagged a good redtop block and head for $140. The deals are still out there if you search!

***Future240*** · 03-31-2021, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mav1178

sure, if you want to think of the US government as the primary producer of tech products in the world.

I get people use "inflation" as slang to describe things, but there are some stuff in the world that requires better terminology for accurate info.

I can type up a long, detailed explanation of why people are buying GPUs for 3-5x MSRP ("inflation", or better yet, personal greed + excessive demand + cryptocurrency pricing 5x in less than 12 months) but if you want to paint a broad brush then I won't contribute to this conversation.

Like the worldwide silicon shortage.

No one talks about how entire auto plants have shut down due to this.

Demand for products that need chips from these fabs has jumped across the board.

mav1178 · 03-31-2021, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Sorry I wasn't more specific, but this thread is about engines, so I wasn'

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Originally Posted by Future240

Like the worldwide silicon shortage.

No one talks about how entire auto plants have shut down due to this.

Demand for products that need chips from these fabs has jumped across the board.

Ironically the shortage of engines is directly related to chip fab capabilities.

Just think of engines as existing suppliers of semiconductor chips. When there is only so much capacity to manufacture (or scour existing markets/yards for engines) you can only sell so many.

Add in a spike in demand with a drop in supply and you have the perfect recipe for price jumps.

In the case of chips, the main spike is a supply chain that is already maxed out, made worse by reduction in manufacturing (Renasas) for a segment that is growing rapidly (advanced chips for automobiles). All the other companies are either maxed out (TSMC/Samsung) or haven't ramped up anything yet to produce. TSMC/Intel/Samsung are all adding a lot of 3rd party fab capability in the next few years, but it's at least 2-3 years before the factories can come online, and that's assuming there's enough qualified engineers to staff the fab lines.

The supply side of engines will figure out a way to find more sources, since everyone is after the same thing (sales/profit). As for where these engines come from, it ultimately will be dictated by who can sell from where, and since prices for complete cars are going up, there is no longer an incentive to sell a motor when you can sell a whole car and recover your car much faster.

(keep in mind motor exporters are not just doing one type of engine. the entire used engine market drives the cost aspect of this because you'd have to import one container at a time to make it worth your trouble)

smoked240 · 03-31-2021, 07:10 PM

Nismo heritage has the blocks listed for 233,600 JPY(2KUSD roughly). Says they are reproducing many of the discontinued parts. There has been talks about it being only in japan but even having the option to purchase a new RB26 block would be awesome.

Corbic · 03-31-2021, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by smoked240

Nismo heritage has the blocks listed for 233,600 JPY(2KUSD roughly). Says they are reproducing many of the discontinued parts. There has been talks about it being only in japan but even having the option to purchase a new RB26 block would be awesome.

The Heritage stuff seems more like a one time run that quickly sold out.

Front Bumpers, Side Skirts and Fenders are all discontinued again.

towlie · 04-04-2021, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AMD 240

...Most of the price increase has come from the fact that the cars we are getting the engines from are either legal for import, or are about to be legal. The guys in Japan are charging a lot of money for the engines to recoup some of the money lost by not sending the whole car over.

I think this is an accurate explanation. Why would an importer pull an sr20 from a 1995 180sx for $2-4k when they could sell the whole car for $15-20k?

Websites like http://fedlegalimports.com/inventory/ show its more profitable to sell the entire beat used car for thousands then it is to pull the drivetrain. supply has officially been depleted.

The question im curious to see is if costs will come down a little bit when normal shipping is resumed (probably 2022). I would be interested to buy an sr20 just to store for years, cost will only continue to rise imo

Kingtal0n · 04-04-2021, 04:41 PM

Im just gonna wait a few years then pick up an S15, do an FSM rebuild as needed and call it a day

less swaps and more jdm car sideways rowdy noises

***Future240*** · 04-05-2021, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingtal0n

Im just gonna wait a few years then pick up an S15, do an FSM rebuild as needed and call it a day

less swaps and more jdm car sideways rowdy noises

Im guessing S15's are going to be mad expensive when they are federally legal.

I think the S15 would be a perfect DD with just a FMIC, exhaust and some coils.

Corbic · 04-05-2021, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Future240

Im guessing S15's are going to be mad expensive when they are federally legal.

I think the S15 would be a perfect DD with just a FMIC, exhaust and some coils.

Aren't the turbos already $20k in Japan?

Kingtal0n · 04-05-2021, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Future240

Im guessing S15's are going to be mad expensive when they are federally legal.

I think the S15 would be a perfect DD with just a FMIC, exhaust and some coils.

heh. I bought my first S15 back in 2011 I think. A gun metal 1999 with around 130,000km. All original pretty much.

the car was 12k in japan and it cost about 5k to get it here. Illegal as [email protected]#(*# but what did I care back then?
Walked right into the court house and walked out with the registration. Progressive had no issues insuring it.
Gave the car to my father, he drove it to work every day for years lol.

Ahh the good old days. When the time comes, I will find a way. Always do
you gota be willing to take a half a year off, do research and work for it.
I bought it at an auction called "yunikon international". There is a website which allows you to bid on cars and have a third party in Japan secure the car and so forth. Make a friend over seas...
Where there is a will, I always say

For now, its straight line 700hp LS powa for a minute, while i get this taste of blood and metal out of my mouth

***Future240*** · 04-28-2021, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Aren't the turbos already $20k in Japan?

More than that.

http://jdm-expo.com/vehicle-inventor...-s15-sale.html

KC240SR · 05-07-2021, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Future240

Im guessing S15's are going to be mad expensive when they are federally legal.

This, from importers I've spoken to its sounding like $50k-60k could be likely for a Spec-R. What a buzzkill, right?

mav1178 · 05-08-2021, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Future240

Im guessing S15's are going to be mad expensive when they are federally legal.
coils.

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Aren't the turbos already $20k in Japan?

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Originally Posted by KC240SR

This, from importers I've spoken to its sounding like $50k-60k could be likely for a Spec-R. What a buzzkill, right?

Considering the total number of S15s sold worldwide is about 10% of the total number of S13s sold in Japan, expect a 2-5x price premium over the current S13/14 prices.

wkpainter · 05-08-2021, 03:30 PM

I was going to post something about this in the other thread but...

You can get anything aftermarket for classic american cars. Any body panel you want from multiple companies. No one makes aftermarket OEM style sheet metal for our cars. Cant pick up an sr20 long block from JEGS. We are at the mercy of what is left in existence and every year the supply goes down. Somehow demand is going up. Decent z33's are cheaper than junk s13s. I'm affraid to see if I can still get oem quarter panels for my bugeye wagon. Its going to be a lot harder for japanese classic car fans to keep these cars on the road than american classic car guys.

solo_ryder · 05-08-2021, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KC240SR

This, from importers I've spoken to its sounding like $50k-60k could be likely for a Spec-R. What a buzzkill, right?

s15 is going to be a very expensive car. For a clean spec R in Canada right now you are looking at 30-40K+ CAD. Once they are legal in USA... $$$$$

mav1178 · 05-08-2021, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wkpainter

No one makes aftermarket OEM style sheet metal for our cars. Cant pick up an sr20 long block from JEGS. We are at the mercy of what is left in existence and every year the supply goes down.

I have a large list of parts I'm trying to procure, unfortunately the reality of the market is that no one wants to pay for it.

I am in the process of having a metal S13 Silvia fender pair reproduced... but based on my projections I'm better off buying stocks in airlines now instead of trying to make products for a customer base that complains about car prices going up.

https://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=673437

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e1_griego Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Independence, Ore. Age: 36 Posts: 2,642 Trader Rating: (24) Feedback Score: 24 reviews	Yeah I've just never seemed it actually summed up. Only for US market.

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Kingtal0n Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: South Florida Age: 38 Posts: 4,648 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Im just gonna wait a few years then pick up an S15, do an FSM rebuild as needed and call it a day less swaps and more jdm car sideways rowdy noises

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wkpainter Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: next door Age: 34 Posts: 33 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I was going to post something about this in the other thread but... You can get anything aftermarket for classic american cars. Any body panel you want from multiple companies. No one makes aftermarket OEM style sheet metal for our cars. Cant pick up an sr20 long block from JEGS. We are at the mercy of what is left in existence and every year the supply goes down. Somehow demand is going up. Decent z33's are cheaper than junk s13s. I'm affraid to see if I can still get oem quarter panels for my bugeye wagon. Its going to be a lot harder for japanese classic car fans to keep these cars on the road than american classic car guys.