Mi Beardo es Loco

no, you're right. I miss Biggies story telling. Hip hop artists becoming sex symbols ruined the industry. They pass over the talented to go after the handsome. But it's going to turn into another 90's type era where rock will outsell hip hop so better music will need to be made eventually. They are just putting stuff out there so fast not caring if it's crap or not because they know it will be flying off the shelves.

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Mi Beardo es Loco

It's not dead, it's just in the hospital with mono.

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thestreetzking

from my point of view.. i shaved the antenna so i dont have a radio.. ipod and old school shit like wu-tang, az, nas, ghost face, nothing really past 2000.. but every once in a while theres a song i like so i cant complain

ESmorz

I see your Hip Is Dead

and raise you Bluegrass Is Dead

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theronin

i think what really happened is our societies complacent attitude with what hip hop used to portray. it used to be shunned upon to talk about money, bitches, and killin each other. now it has become popular by suburbia's standards. how about we just nuke all the poser wannabe whitebois?

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JeremyR

real hip hop is not dead.

the only thing thats "dead" is "good" commercial rap.
and i say it like that becuase what was good to us in the 90s isnt good to the kids today. times change, styles change. people change.

"real" hip hop, underground hip hop, i guess you could say "indie" hip hop. has always been around and WILL always be around.

quit bitchin that there is nothing good on the radio and blah blah blah. good music IS out there. quit being lazy and go find it yourself.

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TheSquidd

HOLY FUCK JESUS CHRIST I'd pay thirty dollars just to HEAR that.



And um. Quit bitching. Hip hop is flimsy. It's no fucking mystery. There's some good stuff, sure. But believe me, 99% of the people involved in Hip Hop aren't involved for the "art" or whatever. Unlike most any other musical genre, Hip Hop is a get-rich-quick scheme. They're in it to make a quick buck.

Because stupid hits like Souljah Boy or whatever the fuck its called make MILLIONS of dollars, all that does is inspire a million other shallow, crappy "artists" to come out sounding just the same.

As long as 12" sub-woofers are cheap, and fucking Vatos and posers can buy them for their Hondas and Escalades, Hip Hop will, and will always be, commercial garbage made up of catchy beats and repetitive lyrics you and your fucking lame ass homies can try to remember while you drive around "crunk" off a "40". (with rare exception.)

And people whining about the good old days are annoying. There never was any good old days, you just only remember the good old music. There was, and will always be, CRAP music proliferated in mainstream media. You just don't remember any of it.

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murda-c

Ok i didn't wanna have to do this.

But My album drops october 1st, cop it.

I made it on fruityloops and i made my voice sound real deep.

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MikeisNissan

Hip hop has been dead to me.

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HyperTek

squidds point comes off sounding like he dislikes hiphop and stereotypes it so get out of this thread please. if ur not a true fan, you wont understand. good thing we dont have the rep system nemore cuz i know id catch some neg rep from u cuz our ideas are so different.

i can really see this thread getting closed down because of all the negative responses towards my opinion. its fine people dont agree, but we could say it more maturely.

i should have said mainstream hiphop is more shallow then ever, and is a good debate as to the influence of urban youth/lifestyle.

pleae people stop saying " so what?" thats been said by others in the thread. come at me with valid reasons that souljaboys music is good besides its popular with the kiddies.

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S13shaka

hip hop is only dead to the ones that get their music from TV, radio, and popular media streams. Everyone that supports mainstream music killed the industry because you all would rather get spoonfed the new beat of the week talking superfulous nonsense then go out and support your local scene.

underground hip-hop is alive and well, and if you dont understand the scene you never will

TheSquidd

No?

I do dislike Hip Hop as a genre. It's inherently commercialized. It's not a new thing. It's just the culture of Hip Hop. I still listen to it. But as a genre I find it to be one of the shallowest as a whole, with very few artists in it for... well... the art. It's not like I dismiss the genre as a whole, I would say a good 30% of my massive music library is devoted to hip hop artists.

Uh wat. I'd neg rep you because this thread is lame and repetitive and offers nothing new in terms of information relevant to the topic on which it is founded. I'd also neg rep you for even bringing up hypothetical neg-repping because it's fucking stupid. And irrelevant.

It also irks me that you still have this 12 year old comprehension of how commercial music works. Radio, media, television, MTV, blah blah blah are all BUSINESSES. They don't care what you think is "legit" or "revolutionary". They care what you buy.

And people buy catchy fucking songs with catchy fucking beats. This has been true for oooooooh... what is it now... 50+ years? Underground hip hop is underground because it's not marketable to a large demographic. As a majority, "good" hip hop is not the kind of music that makes money. So some artist comes out with a song that resonates with millions of people. It's got a decent beat and the lyrics are simple enough that people can remember them, they go buy the album, which of course sucks, but too bad, they bought it. Boom, crappy hip hop just made tens of millions of dollars.

Johnny Doe hears said song, realizes crappy hip hop artist just made a bazillion dollars from one crappy song with like, 4 lines of actual writing and no lyrical or vocal talent what so ever. Johnny Doe and A MILLION others just like him, proceed to make carbon copy music of Crappy Hip Hop artist.

NOTHING you will EVER do will EVER change any of that. No amount of incessant whining, elitist reminiciing or forum blathering will change that.

What changes that is if society as a WHOLE, develops a bad taste for catchy songs they can remember and shake their ass to. This will never be the case.

Society is not listening to hip hop for the same reason you are. They are not looking for good storytelling. They're looking for something to numb the pain of sitting in traffic on the 405 or to buzz in the background at the local club while they look for someone to pound them in the ass.

I think people just don't think this thread is very valid. Your arguments thus far have been largely vague, as has been the entire basis of this thread. We've heard this same crap a thousand times before. And the answer is always the same, shut up. Buy music you want to support. Don't buy what you don't want to support. What the fuck else do you want from all this?

That's not a debate. That's a general fact. It will continue to get shallower and shallower as time goes on because Hip Hop, commercial Hip Hop, is in itself, a shallow genre. Basically you just agreed with what I said, does that mean you should get out of this thread too?

Please stop complaining about something by starting a topic without providing CRAP for information on the topic at hand. Please stop asking people not to voice their opinions. Please stop fucking skipping the G key when you're typing a word ending in I N G. Please stop spelling any more N E M O R E. FUCK, you're a GROWN MAN, learn to type for Christ's sake. Please don't respond to my (IMHO) valid opinion with crappy, dismissive comments.

What an EASY side to take, wow how daring! You dare challenge Souljah Boy!? Brave. You truly are the crusader for good hip hop by being the ONE MAN to say Souljah Boy is crap.

Just for the sake of argument, I will argue that.

Souljah Boy (or whatever that song is called) IS a good song. You hear it one time, and you know the lyrics. BAM, the next time it comes on, you can sing a long with it, people LOVE to sing a long to music.

It also has a pretty catchy beat. The little steel drum sound, the guys in the background going YOOOU (if you don't know the lyrics, look! you can sing a long to that then! people love to sing a long!)

Your turn. Tell me what makes Souljah Boy's song so bad. (FYI I think it's terrible. Just trying to have a decent discourse here to see if Hypertek really is as smart as he claims to be.)

Also, just send me that demo ASAP on CD. Really wanna bump that shit in my car.

-Squidd

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ESmorz

Squidd really brought the gun to the knife fight.

Now use those premie powers for good.

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lflkajfj12123

squidd won

i like boyz

teheheeeee

ALTRNTV

Enough with this shit. If you don't like the current trend
in music, then don't listen to it. This topic has been beaten
to death. Hate it or not, the songs these days are to MAKE
MONEY. Trust me, if you had the connects these people had,
I'm sure you'd be making the same damn type of songs for the
MONEY. It's all the money game now.

ESmorz

I blame Metallica.

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Om1kron

if you're not a rapper, then shut the fuck up. Hip Hop is not emo music, so don't project your emoness onto it.

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nesianwarrior

hip hop is not dead, just gotta know where to look.

Kn1ves

CREAM

not a hard concept

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ALTRNTV

^
Wow. Been awhile since I've seen you post. hahaha

soreballz

Fade To Bluegrass FTW.




That is all.

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HyperTek

wow squidd took the time to reply =)

guess u guys dont like debates.. u guys killed my thread for startin to bitch at me.

thanks to the guys here who contributed to the thread and not bitch about it being brought up.. theres probably only been 2-3 hip hop threads this past year on zilvia.... and sadly all have been very touchy subjects.

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ESmorz

w3 Iz ZiLvIa wE doNtZ dEb8

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PF ALL DAY

Go ahead and talk shit about the West Coast in your little house on the prairie, Kansas Boy. You'll never know SHIT about Hip Hop!

HyperTek

simoun i wuv u lol oh i missed the lil wayne vs nas thread i think.. but those where more centered towards an individual artist(s)

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ESmorz

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origin_s135

i can't hate on the rap game because i don't look down on rappers that are trying to make a come up; i respect that. some of these guys hustle hard just to get where they're at[look at jay-z for example].

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Ace Callaway

The best.




Only the strong survive. Of course there will always be "one hitters", but the best will always dominate. Look at that facts.

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WERDdabuilder

hip hop is not dead. only dead in the main stream.

shit gets commercialized, who cares? its all about paypuh chasin'

if you don't like whats on the radio turn the dial. pop in a cd.