dorkidori_s13

try changing a clutch or anything related to pulling the motor to work on it... not fun in any way at all. removing the drivers side axle is like pulling teeth!

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MR2's might be a PITA to work on, but it might be worth it. Just depends on how much one might want a reasonably reliable mid-engine turbo car. And I've been wanting one alot more than an S-chssis lately. I keep hearing from owners that the labor & snap oversteer issues are petty overblown. These cars were pretty similarly priced to 240's when they were both on sale, weren't they? I wonder if there were any comparison reviews...

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VROOOM

MR2's were kind of expensive

27k for a turbo in 1994 was quite a bit



Base 2dr Coupe
See Specs
4 cyl.
130-hp, 2.2-liter I-4 (regular gas)
22/29
$22,538/$19,045
Destination charge: $385

T-Bar 2dr Coupe
See Specs
4 cyl.
130-hp, 2.2-liter I-4 (regular gas)
22/29
$23,718/$20,042
Destination charge: $385

Turbo w/TBar 2dr Coupe
See Specs
4 cyl.
200-hp, 2.0-liter I-4 (regular gas)
20/27
$27,588/$23,312
Destination charge: $38

a 1993 240sx SE fastback was 10k cheaper

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Corbic

Not even close in terms of price.

The SW20 was priced closer to a Corvette.

Base 240sx was $16,000 ($26,200 in 2015)
Base Civic SI was $10,000 ($16,400 in 2015)

Base Mustang Cobra $17,195 ($28,154 in 2015)
Z28 Camaro (T56 + LT1) $19,550 ($32,665 in 2015)

Base MR2 $20,749 ($33,973 in 2015)
Turbo MR2 $29,243 ($47,881 in 2015)

Completely different markets.


As for working.... It's just a backwards FWD car.

ixfxi

i know we're totally off topic here, but have you ever wrenched on a Z32TT?

real convenient car to work on.... :-P

simmode1

Oh, I thought the mr2 was cheaper than that new... Still, its an indication that it was a higher caliber car than the s-chassis. Good thing they're unappreciated so they're still relatively cheap & beneath the notice of the ratchet spec crowd.

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kashira kureijii

I have had one, and now i have a couple 240's, mr2 was like my first car, so i learned to drive well in it, heel toe, etc. The shifting is kinda lame compared to 240's, because its cable shifting, so its hard to get right, but after a while you get better at it, and can even shift without the clutch(despite cable lag).

My car was N/A, and i have heard that some of the mr2 enthusiasts actually prefer it ( though if i was going to do a N/A mr2 i would build a beams one).

Car was super reliable, and if you need to do anything, i would just do what you do here and look it up, someone has usually found a better way to do it. It might be fun to start out with a cheap high mileage N/A, and swap it, but then you would need to swap brakes for turbo breaks etc.

Also snap oversteer is a factor especially in the 91 and 92 models, but if you get enough experience you know the limit and what not to do, you feel like a badass.( one time i took mine to the limit in the rain, snap oversteer kicked in around an onramp, and i spun out in the middle of the highway, luckily this is texas, so there wasn't really anyone on it)

Also toyota is badass, and mr2's are super fun. If your tall it might get old though, like 6'3+

240's are easier to work on tho......

simmode1

^^^Yeah, as I looked around there seemed to be plenty of ppl maintaining their SW20's without needing to drop the engine. Z32 is similiar, ppl have figured out ways around a lot of those things. I mean, I'm pretty sure an R35 GTR is a bitch to work on too... Gonna give up on that one as well? If I ever get rid of my S14 for another inexpensive JDM toy, it will be probably be for an MR2 turbo. Otherwise, I'll just hold on to my 240 and hope that the GT4 Stinger or something like it eventually hits the market.

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omgRWDgoodness!

Forget the MR2 Turbo...the Celica All-trac/GT-Four is my JAM! It's a crying shame we never got the ST205 chassis '94-99 models like the rest of the world

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^^^I used to have an ST183 GTS. Those things are ghastly to me now. The st205 is even uglier. Making either of them look good is impossible. Would much rather have the MR2 & certainly wouldn't give up an SR swapped 240 for those rollee pollee things.

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kashira kureijii

The 86-89 all tracs are badass plus we got a few of them they're just like never for sale, such rally champion 80's nostalgia awesomeness. MR2's are better though, more sexy lines and supercar fighting skills yo!

simmode1

Found some goodies!

Dori Dori compares the S13 to the then new S14 & throws in a Mine's Zenki for fun:


Dori Dori now compares the S14 Silvia against the SW20 in a N/A AND Turbo showdown! NA MX5 & FD3S also make an appearance!


Early S14 tuning tips & showdown against R32 GTR!


Early S13 tuner Shoot-Out... When is the last time Keiichi drove this many cars with lowering springs?!? lol

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ixfxi

Z32 first review - non turbo

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iStayBroke

Gonna go through my old Best Motoring videos. I remember there being one where they compared the new Z32 with a MR2, FC, S13, and a couple of cars.

August 1989 Best Motoring had S13 as part of comparison against the FC



Found the one I was looking for
November 1992 Best Motoring with Z32 vert

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simmode1

^^^Sweet. Can't wait to watch that when I get off work.

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kashira kureijii

does anyone now what they name was of that old fellow with the jdms ? he has a bluebird SSS just like this, and I though it was interestingly old school and awesome.

Thought I should post this nismo/autech bluebird SSS video cuz its cool

Thought bluebird guy would appreciate it too, its also sorta old school so it counts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTv...ature=youtu.be



sorry I don't know how to embed,
but it magically embeded itself! that or some mod pittied me and my non-embedded insolence

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ixfxi

^ this get posted yet?

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afishysilvia

Well prepared for all challengers.....best thing I’ve seen all day. Fuck I wish I could have had one new look how nice it was.

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ixfxi

i like how he says that the engine has "serious internal refinements" and the transmission "shift action is better, more precise"

uhmm.......... its the same engine and transmission.

im one of those people that think the s13 hatch is better than the s14 in too many ways.

EF_jaycee

s14 ka refinements= less aggressive cams, no scv, and double cone synchros on some of the gears

supersayianjim

i peeped this last video also,

memories!!!

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jedi03

rofl...that post is very current to me...just different Toyota, had 06 corolla come to me with ~12 CEL codes...replaced spark plugs an all were resolved!

My mr2, 1st gen, was a very reliable car...got it horribly abused, took about 2k in parts an who knows how much of my labor and was a perfect car...sold it to fix front end damage on my civic partially due to the fact that I for some reason did not want to spend money to fix the AC on it or the civic would have probably been gone at that point...plus the gas mileage

Future240

"A car most evolve to survive"

Well that aged like milk.

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