d9m13n

The link was supposed to refer to the age groups of buyers, not gender distribution or whatever else. You seem to miss my whole argument which was saying that in my opinion it was pretty stupid for them not to design the car around the engine in the first place when n/a is on its way out and turbocharging now has so many economical advantages anyways, but I wont reiterate my whole argument from my last two posts.

Yes i admit there are holes in my argument, but this is a nissan forum not a scholarly journal, so whatever.

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dizzariot

Dude you're a fucking idiot lol. I'm acknowledging your shitty argument.

It's your shitty opinion. Ever heard of trends? Just because turbo is on everyone's 'Hot-In-The-Summer' list doesn't mean everyone has to whip their dicks out and start circle-jerking.

Your argument further implicates your stance on new, refreshing ideas for the manufacturer. Something like this:

"Hey, pardner. We gots ta make tha new Niss-ern Silvia. Wut motor u reckon we use?

"Ah shit, buckaroo. No use thinkin' up sumthin' new and out-of-tha-norm. Juss throw that thar Nissan Frontier motor in it. Fuggit."

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d9m13n

Youre hardly acknowledging shit, youre just flaming pretty wildly and talking a lot of shit. Turbochargers arent fucking 'hot in the summer' or whatever youre talking about, its a way to keep ICE's around and relevant for as long as possible until electrification or whatever else becomes the norm.

Turbocharging has been around in cars since the fucking 60's and is a proven way to increase fuel economy, decrease emissions, and increase power/torque. I dont see why you think its a trend when its essentially keeping modern performance engines alive. The BRZ/FRS is a modern performance car, all I'm trying to say is it could easily have come with a modern performance engine and made everyone happy. It was a missed opportunity in my eyes.

Your example makes no sense. Putting an n/a engine in an affordable, low displacement performance car is anything but a new, refreshing idea.

Also i doubt Nissan engineers have southern accents.

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driftsucky

As hilarious as that was to read, new ideas cost money. If it cost money, they need it to make money. As much as we love SR20DET motors, KA's are what made business ladies buy the 240 and that's why it was around as long as it was. We didn't buy them. Business ladies in pants suits with short hair bought the shit outta 240's. As long as the A/C worked, they looked cute and didn't have to drive a Mustang. It was a good time for them. lol

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AllThingsGravy

By the time a new Nissan sports coupe that's rwd comes out I'll be older and in a better position to by it so I guess there's no rush. Unless they never make one and keep making the 370 and altima... what a horrible thought

Edit: I can't wait for the 2025 Nissan 370z with new self cooling cup holders and built in nipple massagers!!

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SupaDoopa

Kind of hard to make waves with a concept that looks like an Altima coupe with a Dodge Avenger rear fender line and Lexus IS250 tail lights. Cool, innovative.

EDIT: I'm actually not even sure why half of you even give a shit. You can barely afford to keep a rotted out KA 240 running. Why the fuck do you care what the next generation looks like? Your credit probably sucks and you couldn't afford to finance a ship in a bottle.

driftsucky

fixed it for ya. Bottle ships are actually kinda pricey if you collect'em.

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SupaDoopa

Their excuse: I'll wait for them to be 20 years old so I can try to find one with damage and MAYBE I can low ball the dude enough to possibly buy one or whatever.

Meanwhile, they're out there sliding in a car with no frame, ISIS arms with the bearings flying out of them and craigslist backyard AERO made out of bird shit and grass clippings.

spooled240

I should test drive an FR-S and see what it feels like to have 150 ft-lbs of tq under the hood of a 2800lb car...oh wait..

STEEZxIT

that idx-II rendering is willy ugly

it's nice that they're even thinking about it though.


ships in bottles are very expensive. do you know how hard it is to find tiny employees, let alone willing to work in confined spaces?

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derass

Case in point: the Viper is going out of production. Again.

But I would argue this is the situation drivers find themselves in most of the time: passing someone, merging, taking off from a light etc. Not on the track or in the mountains. A bump in power from turbo would make the car enjoyable more of the time, rather than just when going through corners.

driftsucky

And in THOSE situations, the car is fine. There's an "and" after that straight patch of highway.

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SupaDoopa

Let's just end this on page 4: if it's released, it'll look like foreskin that's been slowly roasted and then painted green. 0/10. Would not buy.

dizzariot

...but whatever.

You guys are tripping over the render and you sound like a bunch of spoiled assholes. The point is it's still being discussed. MY point is that I was happy with the FRS, so if Nissan shits out their version of it and it looks good I can probably be happy with that as well. The render I posted is alright, but pays little homage to the old s-chassis cars.

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dorkidori_s13

all im gonna say...

1992 S13 Silvia Ks w/SR20det - low 14s in 1/4 mile stock

2016 FRS w/whatevertheboxermotorcodeis - low 15s in 1/4 mile stock (maybe high 14s if catching a tail wind and its a full moon on a tuesday night after you dropped a deuce)

sorry (but not sorry), the FRS/BRZ SHOULD be posting high to mid 13s. funny how easily the Ford Mustang Ecoboost pulls it off, and that car is roughly 700-800lbs heavier? again, its 2016... i dont give 2 shits how a car "handles", in modern times people want a sports car that actually has balls! $28,000~ for a car that "handles" is far from justifiable anymore!!!

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I got two ideas
1) The car "enthusiast" car is dead. A two door, boosted sub 300hp will never ever be coming back. Its not logical today with epa and bunch of corporate safety/environment getting in the way. In all honesty, I think gas power will be dead in the next 20 years. Shit look how much has changed from cars in the 90s till now. The model 3 will be coming out soon and for 35k I would buy one in a heart beat. Everyone going to be on this next electric/autonomous car hype train.

The car community in the grand skeem of things is massive but as for as to normal people no ones care about us or cars. The majority cant tell there head from there ass and simply dont need a car other than to just drive to work to pay there bills and pick up food. The fad of cars that we have now will go down and people will move on to some other pretentious bragging hype in the next 2-3 years.

I think we will have big issues in the next 50 years in the car world as far as "running" out of cars since we can see how most car companies barely have 5 cars in there line up with different trims. Basically all the companies will follow with these tier of cars.

1)Basic 4 door, point A to B car, 4 cylinder eco getting 30-50mpg
2)Less basic 4 door basically same body styling but better interior, less plastic, better amenities.
3)Suv/mini van, bigger engine but same shit tier quality as 1 but "more room" for family activities and 3+ brats
4)Mid life criss or teenage angst "sports" car, will be mix of quality but still cheap, obvious handle better than fwd bubble car, most likely NA around 200 and will have a higher sports "sportier" trim just under 300 with better seats and breaks you wont ever fully use the potential of.
5) The I made it big time car, will cost 5x price of your level 1 car, probably best you get out of features and amenities still pretty meh, not luxury but okay. Will be 400-600hp depending on if it weights like a boat of a muscle car or just a chubby comfy Japanese car.

There you have it for probably the next 20 years till we get autonomous cars, start WW3, or next coming of christ.

Best save your pre 2000s car boys because this is about all we will have/get. I dont think the 86 and z plateforms will get hit the same as 240s simply because the fad will die down. Most people who I know who try get into cars because of the hype and those who get into modifying quickly drop it because of the money and effort that goes behind those 100k likes pages of a slammed bugeye or bagged GTI.

2) My second point is if nissan where to come up with another car it will follow the STI/Ford RS hype and put out a hatch or bloaty AWD(basically fwd) boosted ugly looking altima/juke mut with Mitsubishi powerplant. This will go for the younger generation and the 370 or next z will be pushed for the older guys. I see it now already, most dudes with a nismo 370 or just a 370 are guys in there 35-50s but thats all anecdotal I could be wrong.

dizzariot

Holy fuck. Are you Corbic? Something about motors and their sizes relative to chassis.

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R3b

Tesla is the way to go, unironically my cousin works at a branch in a pretty upitty area and they are selling like crazy. I see more model x/s driving around from the projects to rich areas than I do seeing any ferriars, lambos or porches. I see an s-chassis randomly if I dont know the person maybe once every 3 months.

These robot cars will trickle down and youll see when the model 3 comes out where just about any average joe can get everyone will make the switch. All manufactures will follow and then we will see in 50 years gas power engines will be marketing/gimmick thing. Tesla's services beat any type of warranty, cars look sick, and laughable amount of power. No brainier...

dorkidori_s13

remember when honda made 100+hp per liter? oh and when Nissan slapped a turbo on everything? even on another turbo!

Pepperidge Farms remembers!

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SupaDoopa

I mean, I remember when the GT-R makes more than that.

Do you remember when the S2000 had a sticker price of almost $35,000? I do. I went to the Mitsubishi dealership and got a EVO X instead.

Those statements are irrelevant. We're talking about the Nissan answer to the FR-S/BR-Z. You know what Nissan's answer is? We've had something like that forever in the Z chassis. Is it comparable? Kind of. Is it a S-chassis? No. Would you buy an S16 if it were a plastic piece of shit like the FR-S/BR-Z? Probably not because that requires money and if you were on the hype train, you would own [or least fucking driven] an FR-S/BR-Z.

The little unsung fact of this: How the fuck are you saying it needs more power if you haven't even driven it but you think a KAE S13 is cool? What are you people drinking? Is the water brown and muddy?

Croustibat

I am all for a new sunny gti-r ...

SupaDoopa

That's not exactly a RWD 2-door coupe driftmobile 'sports car.'

driftsucky

Legitimately laughed out loud.

He said not realizing that the Ford Mustang Ecoboost is EXACTLY that simply by using 87 octane gasoline and has been out for 2 years being EXACTLY that and that the Camaro is that on 93 octane gasoline (275hp) and both cars, while based in muscle, have been given the ability to turn and turn well.



But, this isn't a "what cars already exist that fill that gap but we won't buy them" thread. This is the "talk shit about this car we have never driven and speculate what Nissan will MAYBE do at some point MAYBE" thread. So continue.

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SupaDoopa

Sounds like a ton of you are Mustang 4-banger fans. You should probably join their forum and suck eachother off with all your DC and Monster Energy apparel. The car is slower than death, weighs a fuck ton and looks gayer than a high school theater teacher.

dorkidori_s13

no one gives 2 fucks about what you have to say... jesus christ on a bike, youre worse than herpes.

if you dont like the thread, leave... simple as that.

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AllThingsGravy

It will happen eventually just wait

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driftsucky

He said never having driven any of the cars he talks shit about.

Being a fan would probably involve endorsing something. In this situation, I'm simply saying something exist. Perhaps if you stopped thinking up gay jokes that probably double as your own fantasies, and utilize the comprehension skills that your 3rd grade teacher taught you in between "checking for scoliosis" and "unpacking your lunch", you'd realize that.

On second thought, keep the gay jokes. They're amusing. And I feel like I can do better as a retort.

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dorkidori_s13

ive driven the ecoboost mustang, drove pretty much like an s-chassis... felt like an SR boosted around 14psi on a T28. they run a low 14s in the quarter mile stock (mid 13s with a ROM tune) and compared to the FRS/BRZ, are a MUCH better value.

havent driven an FRS/BRZ, but i have done a few random stop light drags with them and i can tell you flat out, they are slower than piss from a dig! my current setup is NOT fast at all (im guessing mid to low 14s on a stock ECU and 12psi on an S15 specR turbo). also have run a few from a roll... they have NO balls past 2nd gear, NONE!!! i pulled one in 3rd gear like it was standing still. dont give 2 shits about handling given ANY car can be made to handle very easily with some minor suspension upgrades.

FRS/BRZ NEED more power... period! 200hp and 150lbs of torque is cute for like a base N/A model, but there is NO reason not to offer a top end model with a turbo that makes like 240-260hp and 200+lbs of torque. its just the Japanese being stubborn and refusing to let go of old ways.

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SupaDoopa

Don't you have shirts to draw up or some body kits to knock off? Getting all pissed off because people are telling you that you're not really that important is girl shit. Grow up.

Didn't realize you were looking for a drag car. Maybe you should have talked to someone - I dunno - maybe that built a drag car? You're comparing a swapped car to something stock and you want it to be on par if not better than that?

Do you not know how stringent EPA laws are now? Do you know shit about SMOG laws? Do you know what the average person uses a car for? They don't give a shit if it SPOOLZ RLY HARD WITH MUCH POWER! They give a shit that get don't have to fill the shit with Arab oil for $4.00 a gallon while they travel to and from their overnight McDonalds shifts and vape shops. People don't spend money the same way they used to. Period. I guarantee you will sit here and get ass hurt they aren't building something cool but the second they do, you walk in the dealership and low ball the living shit out of them assuming they have like $10,000 markup.

Get real.

dorkidori_s13

Get knotted.

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