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voiddweller · 05-09-2005, 03:04 PM

Hi,

Here is my dilemma.

I have a 92 RMS13 with a blown head. It appears the issue was the water pump, so that will get replaced. I pulled the engine and ordered an upper and lower timing chain, tension side, tension slack side (with 2 tension side bolts). The next step was to take the head over to a shop to see if it was warped. I'm not sure what the total cost will be, but the timing gear was $100. So now I need to budget for a gasket, water pump, and sealant. I was also thinking of replacing the front and rear main seals. The car is in decent shape with no frame damage.

By chance, I just received a S14 with no drivetrain (engine, driveshaft, diff, etc...) It was in a front-end collision and the radiator core support is gone and the frame looks a little bent. The dash and cluster are gone, but it has most of the interior panels. The brakes and axels seem decent and all the body panels from the end of the fenders back are good. The power windows and locks were removed, but the wiring is still present.

My original plan was to convert the S13 to a S14 5 lug w/ updated interior and go KA-T, but now I'm not so sure. I can only keep the S14 in storage for a few more weeks, then it has to go. The S13 is in my garage. I only have about $1000 to spend right now, but I could save up an additional $2000 within 2 months. I do have a spare KA24DE, but needs about $200 in repairs to get it running. I was also thinking about a SR20DET, but I would need to wait and save even more money.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks!

infinitexsound · 05-09-2005, 03:37 PM

part the s14.. grab anything u can u need.. screw the interior swap thats just a hassle.... fix the s13 with a better engine and direct drop. and throw away the s14.. keep anything u can from it tho, that u can make money off of.. or will need.

Yoshi · 05-09-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitexsound

part the s14.. grab anything u can u need.. screw the interior swap thats just a hassle.... fix the s13 with a better engine and direct drop. and throw away the s14.. keep anything u can from it tho, that u can make money off of.. or will need.

sound advice.
The only interior part you'd really want is the S14 driver's/passenger's seats.

TheTicTac · 05-09-2005, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoshi

sound advice.
The only interior part you'd really want is the S14 driver's/passenger's seats.

And the seat belts

Yoshi · 05-09-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheTicTac

And the seat belts

DOH! yah, u got me there.
I must be one of the only S13 owners that's NOT completely annoyed by the auto belts

TheTicTac · 05-09-2005, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

DOH! yah, u got me there.
I must be one of the only S13 owners that's NOT completely annoyed by the auto belts

It's probably because you've never been hit on head after you close the door, it's also very likely that your noggin isn't as huge as mine

MakotoS13 · 05-09-2005, 10:09 PM

aren't seatbelts less effective after a front end collision? anyhow, dont forget the carpet too. it has to be newer than your S13's.

voiddweller · 05-09-2005, 10:31 PM

From the replies so far, it looks like I'll be stripping the S14, which is fine.

Will I need the S14 control arms to add the S14 5 lug conversion to the S13?

As far as the S14, do I want any of the other suspension parts for the S13 or am I just wasting my time?

Thanks!

infinitexsound · 05-10-2005, 01:37 AM

ill take ur pair of lower control arms for the fancy advice i gave... my zip 95307.. dont worry ill pay for shipping....

i could be wrong but im pretty shure u should just swap knuckles...

TheTicTac · 05-10-2005, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by voiddweller

From the replies so far, it looks like I'll be stripping the S14, which is fine.

Will I need the S14 control arms to add the S14 5 lug conversion to the S13?

As far as the S14, do I want any of the other suspension parts for the S13 or am I just wasting my time?

Thanks!

If you want more -camber you might want to keep the front LCA's, it's not necessary to save them for the 5lug swap, you only need the ball joints from them.

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Originally Posted by MakotoS13

aren't seatbelts less effective after a front end collision? anyhow, dont forget the carpet too. it has to be newer than your S13's.

The seat belts can also still be used if the the internal mech. hasn't be tampered with. I would also not keep the carpet because it won't fit to well.

voiddweller · 05-10-2005, 08:19 AM

I'll start checking prices on Ebay to see what is worth my time. Maybe I can use money for some 300z calipers and a new water pump for the S13...

voiddweller · 05-18-2005, 12:50 PM

Here are some pics of the S14.

chris4130 · 05-18-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by voiddweller

Here are some pics of the S14.

Ummm that is 4 lug

drew935 · 05-18-2005, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoshi

DOH! yah, u got me there.
I must be one of the only S13 owners that's NOT completely annoyed by the auto belts

How could you not be annoyed. I've hit my head on that thing several times. I first had it in my 91 4dr civic and I still hit my head :ghey: I would hate it when you're sticking your head through the door with window down of course, and you open the door or close it and...Whack! that thing hits you in the head or ear, etc..

jdm538 · 05-18-2005, 03:43 PM

the rear end looks good thats all i can say.

240Driver39 · 05-18-2005, 04:08 PM

that s14 looks prime to be rolled off a cliff, not much else.

s14shrkeye · 05-18-2005, 04:23 PM

You can probably sell the doors, mirrors, and the trunk lid off of the s14. Beyond that i'd junk it. Or you could forget about stripping it and sell it as a rolling chasis in need of some TLC and some frame straightening.

lucky7 · 05-18-2005, 05:34 PM

and you can PM me so i can buy the S14's glovebox "door" because i need the hinge. as well as the left vent on the center console. zip is 48363 in oakland michigan. plz plz plz. thanks.

-Dane

Pank · 05-18-2005, 05:46 PM

thats an interesting 4 lug SE

voiddweller · 05-19-2005, 07:00 PM

The previous owner probably glued the badge on the back, so I'm sure it was not a SE.

Does anyone think there are over $300 in parts to be had from the car?

Thanks.

DaPCWiz · 05-19-2005, 08:03 PM

it could be canadian... i heard canadian S14 SE's were 4 lug.....

XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX · 05-20-2005, 01:51 AM

hey before u trash it take the brake master cyl nd the power steering (uhh container) nd wen u do the five lug nd then u do the z32 brake swap turn in the old s14 master cyl as a core, nd maybe u can sell the power steeering container. doors nd fenders u can sell u can prolly sell the airconditioning control box or watever its called keep the knuckle nd hub for u might crash nd brake a lot of those. its hard to find sometimes. trunk lid? keep all the arms haha. thats prolly around 300 or more no?

edit: o nd can i have the nissan sign i dont like the gold one i have.

420sx · 05-20-2005, 10:06 AM

everyone and their grandmother has an s13. i would keep and fix the s14. just because s14 lines look more solid. overall the car has a different image than the s13

240trainee · 05-20-2005, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 420sx

everyone and their grandmother has an s13. i would keep and fix the s14. just because s14 lines look more solid. overall the car has a different image than the s13

True, but that S14's lines don't look solid at all

420sx · 05-20-2005, 10:33 AM

well once its lowered, has wheels. and frontend haha. it will look alot better than s13.

modded s14 with a nice drop wheels looks alot more serious than any s13. s13 can look good too. just not my cup of tea

drift freaq · 05-20-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 420sx

well once its lowered, has wheels. and frontend haha. it will look alot better than s13.

modded s14 with a nice drop wheels looks alot more serious than any s13. s13 can look good too. just not my cup of tea

hahahhaha,preferences,preferences. S13 Fastbacks look like the true sportscar they are supposed to be . S14 is a sports coupe as is the S13 coupe. completely different type of fan base IMHO.
As fars as S14's looking a lot more serious that is opinion. There is no difference in how serious the cars look. Excuse my car resents that you thinks its not serious, hahhahahhahahhaha.

give me a break.
The only thing looks wise that signifies anything on the cars is the s14 zenki looking happy face and the S14 Kouki looking angry faced.
That and the pignose S13 just being a ugly front end IMHO and you know what some people do not think its ugly.
Like I said preferences and opinions thats all.

Yoshi · 05-20-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

hahahhaha,preferences,preferences. S13 Fastbacks look like the true sportscar they are supposed to be . S14 is a sports coupe as is the S13 coupe. completely different type of fan base IMHO.
As fars as S14's looking a lot more serious that is opinion. There is no difference in how serious the cars look. Excuse my car resents that you thinks its not serious, hahhahahhahahhaha.

give me a break.
The only thing looks wise that signifies anything on the cars is the s14 zenki looking happy face and the S14 Kouki looking angry faced.
That and the pignose S13 just being a ugly front end IMHO and you know what some people do not think its ugly.
Like I said preferences and opinions thats all.

Not to mention, the S14 was designed to be cuter, and more geared towards women, cuz that was their most lacking demographic in 94.

How does something look "serious"? I've always thought "mean" looking is about as close to "serious" as you can be for a car... in which case, cutsey cars like the Neon, with it's "HI!" marketting strategy when it was first released is why no one can take it "seriously", even when it's dressed up in it's badass SRT4 self. Now like Dave said, the S13 was designed to be a sports car. The S14 was going more for the luxary coupe with a sporty background, slightly less performance, slightly more creature comforts.

so yah, saying a S14 is more "serious" than a S13 (stock for stock), is perfectly backwards

Now before you S14 (95-96) ppl get all riled up (and if you knew your car's history, you would NOT be riled, you know it's true), do some googling. Nissan themselves made those choices and included them in their marketting. Many many car mag that reviewd the car back in 95 concurred and reiterated the point. It's not saying the S13 is "better" than the S14 in any way. Nissan was trying to sell to a broader demographic, a move that while passable in JDMland, ultimately caused the death of the american 240sx. That's factual history, not conjecture.

Look at the articles
Look at the press releases from nissan
Look at the production numbers

Now, does any of this mean that a S14 can't be better than any S13? Of course not. ALL S-chassis cars are highly moddable, and incredibly capable. It just seems that there are a lot of ignorant people (and that's not bad as long as you don't intend to stay ignorant), and people in denial about why their car was design/produced/marketted the way it was.

It all comes down to what it always does in big business, $$$

That being said, S14MCs are HOTT.

420sx · 05-20-2005, 07:28 PM

ok. im sorry i hate the way usdm s13 coupe looks stock. or the hatch stock. s14 stock owns all of the above. and s14 is more cash. so its a statement. sorry just moded s14 looks better IMO than modded s13. we are just talking looks here. zenki or kouki. plus whats that about s13 being a "true sports car". neither are. there were BUDGET sport compacts. not ferraris or vettes. get fucking real people. but yea, im just talking preferences.

and the question was answered. fix that s14 and keep it. or be "original" and buy s13.

420sx · 05-20-2005, 07:30 PM

and i wasnt saying s14 is better than s13. its not. but looks wise IMO it is. so no ignorence there. just opinion. and opinion of many that dont even own a nissan (hint hint domestic croud)

Yoshi · 05-20-2005, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 420sx

plus whats that about s13 being a "true sports car". neither are. there were BUDGET sport compacts. not ferraris or vettes. get fucking real people. but yea, im just talking preferences.

All preferences aside, you're confusing Sports Car with GT/Super Car/Exotic.

what's a Miata? a SPORTS car.
what's a Gallardo? a SUPER Car.

HUGE difference.

when I was about 14, I called my uncle's 911T a Sports Car. He took it as a belittling comment and chastised me for it. I'm sure if you talked to a Z06 owner, and said he had a cool sports car, he'd have a real similar reaction.

S13 = Sports Car. I think you are the only one who's trying to lump them all together, because they're night and day to me.

05-09-2005, 03:04 PM	#1
voiddweller Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gulf Coast Age: 52 Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: voiddweller Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Not Your Usual S13 or S14 Thread Hi, Here is my dilemma. I have a 92 RMS13 with a blown head. It appears the issue was the water pump, so that will get replaced. I pulled the engine and ordered an upper and lower timing chain, tension side, tension slack side (with 2 tension side bolts). The next step was to take the head over to a shop to see if it was warped. I'm not sure what the total cost will be, but the timing gear was $100. So now I need to budget for a gasket, water pump, and sealant. I was also thinking of replacing the front and rear main seals. The car is in decent shape with no frame damage. By chance, I just received a S14 with no drivetrain (engine, driveshaft, diff, etc...) It was in a front-end collision and the radiator core support is gone and the frame looks a little bent. The dash and cluster are gone, but it has most of the interior panels. The brakes and axels seem decent and all the body panels from the end of the fenders back are good. The power windows and locks were removed, but the wiring is still present. My original plan was to convert the S13 to a S14 5 lug w/ updated interior and go KA-T, but now I'm not so sure. I can only keep the S14 in storage for a few more weeks, then it has to go. The S13 is in my garage. I only have about $1000 to spend right now, but I could save up an additional $2000 within 2 months. I do have a spare KA24DE, but needs about $200 in repairs to get it running. I was also thinking about a SR20DET, but I would need to wait and save even more money. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks! __________________ 97 S14 SE w/S13 Blacktop 04 CL9

05-09-2005, 03:37 PM	#2
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	part the s14.. grab anything u can u need.. screw the interior swap thats just a hassle.... fix the s13 with a better engine and direct drop. and throw away the s14.. keep anything u can from it tho, that u can make money off of.. or will need. __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

05-09-2005, 10:31 PM	#8
voiddweller Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gulf Coast Age: 52 Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: voiddweller Feedback Score: 4 reviews	From the replies so far, it looks like I'll be stripping the S14, which is fine. Will I need the S14 control arms to add the S14 5 lug conversion to the S13? As far as the S14, do I want any of the other suspension parts for the S13 or am I just wasting my time? Thanks! __________________ 97 S14 SE w/S13 Blacktop 04 CL9

05-10-2005, 01:37 AM	#9
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ill take ur pair of lower control arms for the fancy advice i gave... my zip 95307.. dont worry ill pay for shipping.... i could be wrong but im pretty shure u should just swap knuckles... __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

05-10-2005, 08:19 AM	#11
voiddweller Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gulf Coast Age: 52 Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: voiddweller Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I'll start checking prices on Ebay to see what is worth my time. Maybe I can use money for some 300z calipers and a new water pump for the S13... __________________ 97 S14 SE w/S13 Blacktop 04 CL9

05-09-2005, 10:09 PM	#7
MakotoS13 BANNED Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 4,205 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	aren't seatbelts less effective after a front end collision? anyhow, dont forget the carpet too. it has to be newer than your S13's.

05-18-2005, 12:50 PM	#12
voiddweller Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gulf Coast Age: 52 Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: voiddweller Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Here are some pics of the S14. __________________ 97 S14 SE w/S13 Blacktop 04 CL9

05-18-2005, 03:43 PM	#15
jdm538 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: LA/OC SOCAL Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (30) Feedback Score: 30 reviews	the rear end looks good thats all i can say.

05-18-2005, 04:08 PM	#16
240Driver39 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 36 Posts: 1,076 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: 240Driver39 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	that s14 looks prime to be rolled off a cliff, not much else. __________________ 1991 240sx SE, 5spd fastback

05-18-2005, 04:23 PM	#17
s14shrkeye Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NY Posts: 47 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You can probably sell the doors, mirrors, and the trunk lid off of the s14. Beyond that i'd junk it. Or you could forget about stripping it and sell it as a rolling chasis in need of some TLC and some frame straightening.

05-18-2005, 05:34 PM	#18
lucky7 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oakland (OT) Michigan Age: 36 Posts: 3,353 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: lucky7 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	and you can PM me so i can buy the S14's glovebox "door" because i need the hinge. as well as the left vent on the center console. zip is 48363 in oakland michigan. plz plz plz. thanks. -Dane __________________ -Dane

05-18-2005, 05:46 PM	#19
Pank Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 38 Posts: 3,627 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thats an interesting 4 lug SE __________________ high performance driveway photography zenki s14---v8 fc rx7 my crappy flickr page (drift cars whoo)

05-19-2005, 07:00 PM	#20
voiddweller Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gulf Coast Age: 52 Posts: 252 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: voiddweller Feedback Score: 4 reviews	The previous owner probably glued the badge on the back, so I'm sure it was not a SE. Does anyone think there are over $300 in parts to be had from the car? Thanks. __________________ 97 S14 SE w/S13 Blacktop 04 CL9

05-19-2005, 08:03 PM	#21
DaPCWiz Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Northern NJ Age: 37 Posts: 991 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	it could be canadian... i heard canadian S14 SE's were 4 lug..... __________________ http://blog.dapcwiz.com

05-20-2005, 01:51 AM	#22
XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: california Posts: 572 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey before u trash it take the brake master cyl nd the power steering (uhh container) nd wen u do the five lug nd then u do the z32 brake swap turn in the old s14 master cyl as a core, nd maybe u can sell the power steeering container. doors nd fenders u can sell u can prolly sell the airconditioning control box or watever its called keep the knuckle nd hub for u might crash nd brake a lot of those. its hard to find sometimes. trunk lid? keep all the arms haha. thats prolly around 300 or more no? edit: o nd can i have the nissan sign i dont like the gold one i have.

05-20-2005, 10:06 AM	#23
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	everyone and their grandmother has an s13. i would keep and fix the s14. just because s14 lines look more solid. overall the car has a different image than the s13 __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

05-20-2005, 10:33 AM	#25
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	well once its lowered, has wheels. and frontend haha. it will look alot better than s13. modded s14 with a nice drop wheels looks alot more serious than any s13. s13 can look good too. just not my cup of tea __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

05-20-2005, 07:28 PM	#28
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok. im sorry i hate the way usdm s13 coupe looks stock. or the hatch stock. s14 stock owns all of the above. and s14 is more cash. so its a statement. sorry just moded s14 looks better IMO than modded s13. we are just talking looks here. zenki or kouki. plus whats that about s13 being a "true sports car". neither are. there were BUDGET sport compacts. not ferraris or vettes. get fucking real people. but yea, im just talking preferences. and the question was answered. fix that s14 and keep it. or be "original" and buy s13. __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

05-20-2005, 07:30 PM	#29
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	and i wasnt saying s14 is better than s13. its not. but looks wise IMO it is. so no ignorence there. just opinion. and opinion of many that dont even own a nissan (hint hint domestic croud) __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

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