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RumInDaCoconut · 06-11-2016, 03:53 PM

looks like a vg30 rear sump probably z31? excessive vg30 trans mounts as well. always wondered how well a s12 vg would fit being front sump and all.

PoorMans180SX · 01-18-2017, 12:40 PM

Here's how she sits, all mice infested and everything. Going to be making a little progress this weekend.

I currently have one VG30DE that I will be using for the time being, until I can turbocharge one of my three VG33E's. Cat's out of the bag I guess haha. They honestly fit really well.

Had Isky grind some cams for the VG33E (Mr. Iskenderian is the man responsible for grinding most of the Nismo camshafts in the late 80's, early 90's.)

greenwood · 01-19-2017, 08:01 AM

sweet dude, on the vg30de I recommend replacing the tensioner for the belt.

I found one on ebay for like 45 dollars. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRAULIC-TE...item21076b7ede

PoorMans180SX · 01-20-2017, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greenwood

sweet dude, on the vg30de I recommend replacing the tensioner for the belt.

I found one on ebay for like 45 dollars.

Thanks, I have a full timing belt kit for it. I may just go with the EPR solid tensioner anyway.

Kylepaschke · 02-10-2017, 11:00 AM

Lookin rad m8

keep it up!

PoorMans180SX · 02-14-2017, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kylepaschke

Lookin rad m8

keep it up!

Thanks mate!

Sending out all my crusty old hardware for a fresh new plating of zinc black.

EDIT: Sorry about the gigantasaurus picture.

PoorMans180SX · 02-15-2017, 02:38 PM

Well I have a few of these now...

C. Anderson · 02-15-2017, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Thanks mate!

Sending out all my crusty old hardware for a fresh new plating of zinc black.

EDIT: Sorry about the gigantasaurus picture.

If you don't mind me asking. What does it run to get that much done? Who are you using? I know a larger batch wouldn't cost much more than a small batch but I was just curious.

PoorMans180SX · 02-16-2017, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. Anderson

If you don't mind me asking. What does it run to get that much done? Who are you using? I know a larger batch wouldn't cost much more than a small batch but I was just curious.

I'm using a local company called Kalamazoo Metal Finishers. I told them I had most of a 5-gallon bucket filled and they said somewhere between $55-70. Well worth it in my opinion!

Doing the timing belt on this thing. Coolant passages are nasty!

C. Anderson · 02-16-2017, 01:09 PM

Hell yeah that's worth it. You cant beat the OEM fasteners.

PoorMans180SX · 02-19-2017, 11:14 AM

Boring deconstruction pics. More hardware for re-plating and the crossmember/rear subframe are going to be stripped, modified, and powdercoated. Feels like I've done this before

PoorMans180SX · 03-02-2017, 02:26 PM

Going to be designing a better brake booster delete kit.

PoorMans180SX · 03-04-2017, 03:02 PM

WSRD Booster delete plate:

Decided I should clean it up a bit.

PoorMans180SX · 03-05-2017, 11:58 AM

Well I got all the hammering done in the wells, just need to trim a little more and finish off the tubs...

PoorMans180SX · 04-01-2017, 08:56 AM

I put the mock up SOHC in yesterday to check clearances and see what the turbo system and intake manifold fab are going to involve. I was going to run this Z31 plenum but now that I look inside it, they are garbage. Sorry for the shoe camera, my nice one broke.

PoorMans180SX · 04-24-2017, 03:58 AM

some more small updates. Got a new phone so no more shoe photos.

A better look at how much room the 33E has.

Did some spring cleaning with offthewall

Added some much needed shelf space in the garage.

And finally pulled the crank pulley off the DE so I can do the timing. Man does this thing need some cleaning and paint.

offthewall · 04-24-2017, 06:01 PM

#Machinegunsquad!

PoorMans180SX · 09-20-2017, 04:05 PM

Decided to do the hardware in classic yellow.

VG30DE heads are a victim of the 1990 soft valve issue. They need a full refresh.

So I'll be putting the SOHC in first. Intake manifold doesn't really clear, but the Z31 one is JUNK as far as flow goes. Not sure what I'm going to do here...

Oil pan needs the same type of clearance mods to clear the subframe.

Drilling out these panels and trying to find a way to build a 3D model of the bare interior so I can CAD up a cage and get it CNC bent and notched.

*burnsauto* · 09-30-2017, 04:03 PM

that hardware looks great Andy, I may have to use that same company. was there any difference in cost between your original idea of black, and instead going to the cadmium plated look (or is that real cadmium plating?)

mechanicalmoron · 09-30-2017, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnsauto

that hardware looks great Andy, I may have to use that same company. was there any difference in cost between your original idea of black, and instead going to the cadmium plated look (or is that real cadmium plating?)

I thought it was zinc, like the hardware originally came?

Either way, looks awesome.

*!Zar!* · 09-30-2017, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Going to be designing a better brake booster delete kit.

Why do you not want a brake booster?

PoorMans180SX · 10-01-2017, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnsauto

that hardware looks great Andy, I may have to use that same company. was there any difference in cost between your original idea of black, and instead going to the cadmium plated look (or is that real cadmium plating?)

Hey Stranger! It is Zinc dichromate, good for over 100 hours in salt spray tests. No additional cost, the refinisher didn't want to do black because he said they would turn out "ugly".

Quote:

Originally Posted by !Zar!

Why do you not want a brake booster?

It hits the valvecover on the VG30DE. I've thought about swapping to a B13 one, but I'd like to see if I can get the pedal to act right without one altogether.

*burnsauto* · 10-01-2017, 08:35 PM

I'm def. using that guy then. His price was awesome and the finish is great.

PoorMans180SX · 10-04-2017, 04:09 PM

Did some messing around with Matchbot. I plan on running an S200SXE in the 1.22 A/R turbine housing. Looks like a good street/drift turbo with excellent response and efficiency. If I ever decide to push the block my goal will be to maintain 400wtq for as much of the powerband as possible.

http://www.turbos.borgwarner.com/go/SM6VUP

[email protected] · 10-04-2017, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Did some messing around with Matchbot. I plan on running an S200SXE in the 1.22 A/R turbine housing. Looks like a good street/drift turbo with excellent response and efficiency. If I ever decide to push the block my goal will be to maintain 400wtq for as much of the powerband as possible.

http://www.turbos.borgwarner.com/go/SM6VUP

you missed a few minor things that will have a big impact on the spool and wastegate stuff. from the looks of it i think you'll be happier with an S300SX-e

i tweaked the design a little bit for you (EGT's on E85 are lower)

http://www.turbos.borgwarner.com/go/UJW2FW

if you go twin scroll it'll help a bit too on the low end which i see no reason not to. I think you'll like the S300SX-E in a .91A/R housing.

http://www.turbos.borgwarner.com/go/AV9QGE

PoorMans180SX · 10-04-2017, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]

you missed a few minor things that will have a big impact on the spool and wastegate stuff. from the looks of it i think you'll be happier with an S300SX-e

i tweaked the design a little bit for you (EGT's on E85 are lower)

http://www.turbos.borgwarner.com/go/UJW2FW

if you go twin scroll it'll help a bit too on the low end which i see no reason not to. I think you'll like the S300SX-E in a .91A/R housing.

http://www.turbos.borgwarner.com/go/AV9QGE

You are correct, I forgot about that. The turbo will definitely be twinscroll, as I’ll have tubular manifolds.

Seems like they’re really close, and I had the matchbot setup for my max power goals. Why do you say I’ll like the S300 better?

[email protected] · 10-04-2017, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

You are correct, I forgot about that. The turbo will definitely be twinscroll, as I’ll have tubular manifolds.

Seems like they’re really close, and I had the matchbot setup for my max power goals. Why do you say I’ll like the S300 better?

while on the S257 you see better spool you'll be outside of the efficiency range of the turbo after 5K RPM. you'll run the danger of surging it from not enough flow specially if you get curious with higher boost / RPM levels.

the S300 will sit on the efficiency range from 3K till redline AND it'll give you room to grow for the after party that happens around 30psi. I'll get the datalog of an S300 83/75 Supra i did, dude wanted response and we were seeing 18psi in under 3400rpm if memory serves me right. we are adding cams and springs to the car right now so we can strap it on the dyno to get some actual numbers but it's a riot right now on the basemap & 91. since you're 3.3L i think you'll have a ton of fun with the S362SX-E just something to think about.

*TheRealSy90* · 10-04-2017, 07:00 PM

I'm curious how difficult it would be to match the runners and firing order for a twin scroll setup on a v6 engine that has two separate manifolds.

PoorMans180SX · 10-04-2017, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by [email protected]

while on the S257 you see better spool you'll be outside of the efficiency range of the turbo after 5K RPM. you'll run the danger of surging it from not enough flow specially if you get curious with higher boost / RPM levels.

the S300 will sit on the efficiency range from 3K till redline AND it'll give you room to grow for the after party that happens around 30psi. I'll get the datalog of an S300 83/75 Supra i did, dude wanted response and we were seeing 18psi in under 3400rpm if memory serves me right. we are adding cams and springs to the car right now so we can strap it on the dyno to get some actual numbers but it's a riot right now on the basemap & 91. since you're 3.3L i think you'll have a ton of fun with the S362SX-E just something to think about.

You're right. I went back through and corrected the S200SXE values and I noticed that the 2000rpm point was deep into surge. I'm not too concerned with off into choke, but it does look like the 61.4mm would be damn close in response. Thanks for the input, I'll be moving up!

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealSy90

I'm curious how difficult it would be to match the runners and firing order for a twin scroll setup on a v6 engine that has two separate manifolds.

The firing order of Nissan V6's are all 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, so you literally just pair the runners together by bank and run them into each side of the turbine housing. Doesn't get much easier!

This is my friend Mike's. He has a divided T3 GT3582R. My setup will be similar.

[email protected] · 10-05-2017, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

You're right. I went back through and corrected the S200SXE values and I noticed that the 2000rpm point was deep into surge. I'm not too concerned with off into choke, but it does look like the 61.4mm would be damn close in response. Thanks for the input, I'll be moving up!

well choke / surge aside. after 5000 RPM you're outside the efficiency range, and with that much boost AIT's would not be ideal either. so close to peak torque would probably make the car real knock sensitive too. I think the S300 is overall a good starting point for any engine 3L and up.

01-18-2017, 12:40 PM	#302
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Here's how she sits, all mice infested and everything. Going to be making a little progress this weekend. I currently have one VG30DE that I will be using for the time being, until I can turbocharge one of my three VG33E's. Cat's out of the bag I guess haha. They honestly fit really well. Had Isky grind some cams for the VG33E (Mr. Iskenderian is the man responsible for grinding most of the Nismo camshafts in the late 80's, early 90's.) __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

02-15-2017, 02:38 PM	#307
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Well I have a few of these now... __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

02-19-2017, 11:14 AM	#311
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Boring deconstruction pics. More hardware for re-plating and the crossmember/rear subframe are going to be stripped, modified, and powdercoated. Feels like I've done this before __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

03-02-2017, 02:26 PM	#312
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Going to be designing a better brake booster delete kit. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

03-04-2017, 03:02 PM	#313
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	WSRD Booster delete plate: Decided I should clean it up a bit. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

06-11-2016, 03:53 PM	#301
RumInDaCoconut Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: North Carolina Age: 33 Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	looks like a vg30 rear sump probably z31? excessive vg30 trans mounts as well. always wondered how well a s12 vg would fit being front sump and all.

01-19-2017, 08:01 AM	#303
greenwood Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2011 Location: nc Posts: 618 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	sweet dude, on the vg30de I recommend replacing the tensioner for the belt. I found one on ebay for like 45 dollars. http://www.ebay.com/itm/HYDRAULIC-TE...item21076b7ede

02-10-2017, 11:00 AM	#305
Kylepaschke Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 149 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	Lookin rad m8 keep it up!

02-16-2017, 01:09 PM	#310
C. Anderson Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 753 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Hell yeah that's worth it. You cant beat the OEM fasteners.

03-05-2017, 11:58 AM	#314
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Well I got all the hammering done in the wells, just need to trim a little more and finish off the tubs... __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

04-01-2017, 08:56 AM	#315
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	I put the mock up SOHC in yesterday to check clearances and see what the turbo system and intake manifold fab are going to involve. I was going to run this Z31 plenum but now that I look inside it, they are garbage. Sorry for the shoe camera, my nice one broke. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

04-24-2017, 03:58 AM	#316
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	some more small updates. Got a new phone so no more shoe photos. A better look at how much room the 33E has. Did some spring cleaning with offthewall Added some much needed shelf space in the garage. And finally pulled the crank pulley off the DE so I can do the timing. Man does this thing need some cleaning and paint. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

04-24-2017, 06:01 PM	#317
offthewall Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Paw Paw Age: 28 Posts: 315 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	#Machinegunsquad! __________________ Whalen's Speed R&D - IG - @MachinegunSquad - www.whalentuned.com

09-20-2017, 04:05 PM	#318
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Decided to do the hardware in classic yellow. VG30DE heads are a victim of the 1990 soft valve issue. They need a full refresh. So I'll be putting the SOHC in first. Intake manifold doesn't really clear, but the Z31 one is JUNK as far as flow goes. Not sure what I'm going to do here... Oil pan needs the same type of clearance mods to clear the subframe. Drilling out these panels and trying to find a way to build a 3D model of the bare interior so I can CAD up a cage and get it CNC bent and notched. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

09-30-2017, 04:03 PM	#319
burnsauto Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 717, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,154 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: burnsauto Feedback Score: 5 reviews	that hardware looks great Andy, I may have to use that same company. was there any difference in cost between your original idea of black, and instead going to the cadmium plated look (or is that real cadmium plating?) __________________

10-01-2017, 08:35 PM	#323
burnsauto Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 717, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,154 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: burnsauto Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I'm def. using that guy then. His price was awesome and the finish is great. __________________

10-04-2017, 04:09 PM	#324
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Did some messing around with Matchbot. I plan on running an S200SXE in the 1.22 A/R turbine housing. Looks like a good street/drift turbo with excellent response and efficiency. If I ever decide to push the block my goal will be to maintain 400wtq for as much of the powerband as possible. http://www.turbos.borgwarner.com/go/SM6VUP __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

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