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03-20-2015, 07:46 PM | #1 |
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SR20DET Running Lean/ Limp Mode?
Hello Zilvia!
I drive a 1989 S13 Hatch and I swapped S13 Blacktop SR20DET into it about five months ago. When I say I, I mean I had a shop that specializes in Nissan's and swaps do it for me. Since I got my car back, it hasn't run right for more than two weeks. When I first got the car back, it would die out when I would put it into neutral. After diving it for a couple more hours it started sputtering. I took the car back the next day and they found out that the engine timing was off 15 degrees. They sent me off with re-adjusted timing, new spark plugs and new oil. A week later while cruising down the road, the pedal seemed to give out, my A/F Ratio goes 10:1 and the car starts sputtering/ misfiring like crazy. When I got home and turned the car off, the ECU made a short buzzing noise (Limp Mode?). I called the shop and they told me to drive the car back. I went to start it and it ran fine. I called them back and told them what happened and they told me to wait until it acted up again, then bring it to the shop. Sure enough it happened again. Same symptoms and all. When the car got there, it suddenly started running fine again (go figure). They ended up wiggling the harness, did a boost leak check and still couldn't re-create the issue. They gave me another fresh oil change, new plugs and sent me on my way. I'm sure you can all guess what happened a couple days later. Since the place is about 45 minutes from my house, I wasn't to keen on driving my car all the way back there on a misfire so I had them send a tow truck. They picked it up and when it got there, it started up fine. They performed another boost leak check and still nothing. Sent me on my way again. The last time I brought it there, they finally got to witness the issue first hand. They did another boost leak test and nothing. They ended up unplugging my ECU, plugging his ECU in and got it to run fine. He came to the conclusion that I had a bad ECU. I was a little skeptical because wouldn't plugging someone else's ECU always work because it hasn't detected the problem yet? Wouldn't it have to be in the car for a few days to truly determine if that's the problem? Since then I've given up on taking it back there seeing as it happened again a week later. I've taken to the internet to research similar problems. From what I've read, it could be a bad MAF sensor, vacuum lines, bad ECU, a vent to atmosphere BOV, an exhaust leak or an O2 sensor. I've started to test these things little by little and here's where I stand so far: The next time the car went into "limp mode" I pulled the MAF and got the car to idle better. Right then I figured that was obviously the problem so I went ahead and ordered another new, used OEM SR20DET Blacktop MAF. Plugged the new MAF in and the problem dissapeared for about two weeks (the longest it's ever gone without going into "limp") then after an hour drive home from a friends, BAM it happens again. Same symptoms as always (10:1, misfire, black smoke then eventually dying when put into neutral). When I pulled the code off the ECU it was telling me the it was the MAF again. I tested the wires going into the MAF and had a ground, 12V constant and the reference voltage. What are the chances of having TWO bad MAFs? This whole time I've had the car back it has also been running extremely lean according to my AEM A/F gauge. I get 18 or --- at idle, 15.6-16.2 while cruising and 11.5 at WOT. I thought maybe the car running lean is casing the ECU to limp. I checked for exhaust leaks and found that my ISIS screamer pipe had exhaust coming out at idle which, according to a tech at my work, means my wastegate is stuck open and could be causing the bad A/F ratio. When I called the shop who did the swap they said that my A/F is normal for a stock SR20 with no tune and that the exhaust coming out the screamer is also normal because the pipe doesn't have a valve, it's just open all the time. Not knowing a whole lot about cars (I'm learning lol) I'm feeling extremely conflicted with whose opinion to trust. That's why I've turned to Zilvia for some advice before I start throwing more money I don't have into parts that don't need to be replaced. The shop told me to start with replacing the ECU and then see if that solves it. Any help is EXTREMELY appreciated. I'm completely stumped. Also to note at idle my oil pressure gauge reads about 9PSI and flashes at me. Here is the parts I currently have on my car if it helps diagnosis this: All parts were purchased brand new minus the motor and MAF S13 SR20DET Blacktop (stock internals) Stock MAF Stock E5 ECU Stock Turbo (Running 7 Lbs) Srock Wastegate GodSpeed Intercooler Kit Mishimoto Radiator w/ New Mishimoto Fans Greddy FV BOV ISIS Screamer Pipe ISIS 3" Downpipe ISIS 3" Test Pipe Apexi 3" Hi-Flo Exhaust Steel Braided Lines here and there AEM A/F Ratio Gauge Glow Shift Oil Pressure Gauge Warlbo 255 Fuel Pump Wiring Specialties Tucked Wiring Harness That's all I can think of for now. Please help me out guys. I'm completely stumped. |
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