VNG704

I think someone living a certain way for soo long will effect their decisions on a subconciousl level. Most people won't be able to help it.

lockhaim

I am an avid atheist even after going to Catholic schools for 13 years. Just because I don't believe doesn't make me any better. If someone else chooses to believe in god good for them, who am i to judge what they believe? It doesn't matter what you believe in you need to respect what other people's views whether or not you after with them or even like them.

On topic, I also agree that it shouldn't matter what religion the president is (so no I do not care) because there is supposedly "seperation of church and state" so as long as his religion isn't affecting his decision making and he's making unbiased decisions unaffected by his religion I don't care what he does.

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EDacIouSX

Because of the things his minister? said at the church obama went to for 20 years. The racist stuff. Among other reasons, people speculate he is not really christian or whatever.

Quail

If I was judged on the actions and words of every one of my acquaintances, I don't think it would be a particularly fair representation.

Jeremiah Wright should have known his words would hurt his, and more importantly Obama's reputation, no matter how true he felt they were. I don't think they were intended as they sounded.

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Origin

Heh heh. That is funny.

Origin

I'm not so sure. It seems (based on our country's history) a Christian president (as this dominated for centuries here) always kept it on the right track. You don't become a (relatively) respectable superpower with great citizens (used to be), by being anything but really. Look at Iran's president, Islamist, causing controversy. Mao Ze Dong, Stalin, Hitler (apart from occultism), all Atheists. Look at the body count.

I never understood how people can say Atheism will set people free. I believe (on facts) that Atheists have a larger body count than anyone. If they had religion, they never, would have embarked on these journey's. And you can not disprove that, cdlong.

Origin

You don't attend a church for two decades if you don't believe what the reverend says.

theicecreamdan

Do you have to believe EVERYTHING he says?

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Origin

What I'm saying is, he attended a church. Which means he either believed in something or faked it. If he believed in something, the reverend, or the religion, he saw the reverend as his "mentor". Not directly, but he got inspiration from him, otherwise, he would have left. If you can't come to terms with a certain aspect of what he's saying in a place of worship, you can't be there. It's not a choice, it's the way it is. If he didn't believe in what he was saying, he wouldn't have supported him. So yes, he has to.

cdlong

So all this time that I've been going to church with my girlfriend has been against the rules? I wish I would have known I wasn't allowed in if I didn't believe what the preacher was saying.

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cdlong

Sure, cherry pick a few tyrants that are reported to be athiests (some of which also reported to be christian), but that's not the point of what you responded to. There are thousands of prominent leaders that aren't christian that are worthwhile leaders.

Everytime I hear crap like this, I think of this hilarious comic.



If your second statement was true, an absolute as you put it, then no religious person would have ever committed atrocities, which is untrue.

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Origin

You play the prominent role of an atheist. I never said it was against rules. Now you are twisting facts to suit your theory. If you have nothing to bring to this thread but your carcass, keep out.

VNG704

The religion doesn't have to be christianity, just one that teaches the diff between good and evil. With good being the way to go.

BustedS13

so people cannot lead moral lives without religion?

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ineedone

Clearly not! If you are not a religious person you are just a psychopathic serial murder, rapist, lunatic. I mean I can not stop either. If only I read the bible one more time, it probably would have stopped all this. Shucks.

VNG704

Serious? We're talking about the president's religion and how it does or doesn't matter which one he has, correct? What are you talking about? Didn't you start this thread?

ineedone

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Religion = morality.

VNG704

Just because you're a catholic or any other person of religion does not mean you're free of immorality. Good one ineedone. No one said it was absolute that religion = morality. Try, hard, to not take the words out of context.

ineedone

My point being that religion is just as dangerous as no religion. However, I would argue that you cannot necessarily separate the two (religion is, at it's core, a set of deeply held beliefs - so that can encapsulate just about anything). Morality is something that is determined by social norms, not by religion. In any case, being president requires one to be devoid of what most of us would consider "morality" because of the decisions that a president must make. I dare you to find a religion that says killing innocent, god fearing, humans is ever justifiable. You cannot. But, I would also dare you to take the stand that a president should never order military action because innocent people will die.

My point... it's all bullshit.

Origin

I read the first sentence and last sentence.

The point is this, a religious man (so long as it isn't proselytizing), will stop from committing those seven sins that are the basis for an immoral and potentially violent life. When provoked, a man that truly follows the religion, will not step over the line. Thus ensuring peace. Atheists, when provoked, will pounce. They are peaceful and caring (some) until the moment where they are backed into a corner and then do everything they can to eliminate the "threat" (I use the quotes heavily). They have no law because they have nothing to fear. This is true in all cases.

mewantkouki

The cake is a lie.

cdlong

All generalizations are false.

Seriously you love speaking in absolutes despite the fact that pretty much nothing is absolute.

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Origin

Prove me wrong.

Origin

The cake is a lie, is a lie.

Highway Riding

People will side with who they mostly align themselves with. I bet half the guys here would bash the current Potus if he had a riced out S13 with Vardogs and woowoo muffler gadget. See where i went. Loose analogy 100% but the point is justification and how justification is reached! BS sure but this will always be a problem because the way people demean each other especially in a country where we tolerate all religions and are growing faster than a boner a strip club.

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cdlong

I've been provoked and never pounced. Done.

Or if you would like something else, GW Bush is clearly more religious than Obama. GW Bush started two wars (disproving your assertion that religous people won't step over the line) where as Obama is working to end them.

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ineedone

Uh... what? If I was going to follow your... ehm "logic?"... when what about the sins that require no provocation? Do only religious people no how not to pounce on a sin of sloth? Yeah...

As for Atheists what makes them so pre disposed to uncontrollable violent outbursts? It must be because they do not believe dinosaurs and men were around at the same time (only logical explanation).

You do realize that the law was not created from religion right? Like, stealing being illegal is not something some God wrote in the sand and everyone was all like... oh shoot, that makes sense. Religious "law" is something that was created to supplement/expand/retract natural law. Without getting into the history of it, religious law has often been on the wrong side of natural/moral law (slavery Ok in most religions, Women are property in most religions, you can kill your children for being brats in Christianity - I could go on, but really this should not be any thing new to anyone).

You know what I just realized... I just wasted a couple of minutes trying to make sense out of some random dribble from someone who is from the Phelps Westboro style of thinking. PS. the internet is of the devil, you should probably stay off it... god might hate you.

Origin

You are another who has a tough time comprehending. Please, try harder.

I said true followers. That should be about 6 percent of the total world if you really think about it. The point is it's low.

Please don't show your stupidity about the subject of Obama trying to get re-elected. You clearly haven't heard about his plans to move missions into Africa (where there is oil- Koni 2012? Uganda?), I'm sure he's really carrying for the soldiers. But as long as you get what you want, simple minded.

ineedone

What is a "true" follower. Because last time I checked, religion (every religion) is pretty ambiguous when it comes to the shit your suppose to believe, do, not do, etc.

Origin

I do laugh (well just a thought mid-sentence, I normally stop reading your posts about the second line in) at this ability for a pissed off adult boy to just senselessly insult the other person when he's not getting his way. (Wrath). I don't even know what your first sentence means. So now I'm just someone spewing some random dribble? So you think you are above me? Clearly you think you are above the Phelps style of thinking. (Pride). I didn't know you knew where law was created from. You seem to know a lot, are you omniscient? I don't even know what you are arguing about anymore.