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*exitspeed* · 12-11-2006, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by theicecreamdan

“Kabura” is a Japanese term taken from “KABURA-ya”, an arrow that makes a howling sound when fired and was historically used to signal the start of a battle. The “first arrow into battle” depicts Mazda’s spirit of pursuing unique and exciting ventures - such as the rotary engine.

Mazda is declaring war... will Nissan stand tall? Or will we be hailing Mazda?

Nissan has the GTR and the Z...

WILDACEX187 · 12-11-2006, 08:20 PM

lol mazda has arrows we roll with m16's

sccrstar011 · 12-11-2006, 09:26 PM

I got to ride in a solstice today. I was actually surprised and impressed with the power it had. Would have been better if I could have driven it. I would drive one around town, but I dont think I would ever buy one because its a pontiac.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 12-11-2006, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kn1ves

ya like how toyota has the yaris, the xA, the xB and even the corolla.

i mean cmon, is it really that hard to imagine nissan making a 250sx to compliment the 350z using some parts from the z and the g35. its not like they dont have the parts already in place.

EDIT::: ANYONE ELSE CATCH THIS?

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=117849

So what if toyota has 3 mini cars. Were talking bout people whos in the market to buy something sporty or a legit sports car. That market isnt that big to begin with. To spend money in developing a vehicle that nissan will barely make money when they already have a bargain of a car in the 350Z, is just plain stupid. I mean look at the history of Nissan in the mid-90s. Z32s, NA, turbo version and 2+2 variants, with the addition of a pricey S-chassis that at that time were costing $25k brand new, nearly killed the company. Theyd rather try fill the $20k sporty car in their line up with the Altima coupe, than to build a completely different car. If they didnt do that and left that market open, then maybe they would or could have played with the idea. So yah Mazda is gonna make more rwd variant but if the RX-8 is any indication of their success, then i doubt that nissan will follow suit. There was so much HYPE with the RX-8 when it came out. It had the looks/styling (to some people), handling, but it lacked the power that people expected. I doubt the Miatas 2.0 will make me wanna buy it, stick the rotary in there and maybe itll fare better than the RX-8 since itll have a better power to weight ratio. Name any other successful light sporty rwd car out there that isnt a convertable and cost less than $25k.

*exitspeed* · 12-12-2006, 07:53 AM

^
That market is changing. You have to keep up. If you rest on only what didn't work for you 15 years ago then your doomed. If you rest of what only worked for you 5 years ago your also doomed. Look at the dependancy on Domestic brands and SUV's. 5 years ago they couldn't make enough. Now with gas prices they can't give enough insentives to move them.

My point is, you have to adapt. You HAVE to be competetive. If you rest on your lorals you become stail.

GM has proved that this segment can be successfull. Did you think 5 years ago the General could make a car that actually was a good competitor for the Miata? No, you'da been outta your mind if you thought that.

wootwoot · 12-12-2006, 10:18 AM

A big problem I see reguarding a new rwd lower level car for Nissan is the price. Do people not realise how ludicrously expensive Japanense sports cars were getting in the early mid 90's? Each of them started off as an everyday mans sports car but that went away in the 90's as they started to use as much electronic trickery and insane engineering possible.
They cost more then in 1995 dollars then a new 350z costs now.

Nissan filled the gap between s13 and z32 with the z33. So either when the GTR comes out they need to bump up a z model or you guys to need to accept whats going on here. Other companies though have left themself room for such a model.

*exitspeed* · 12-12-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by wootwoot

A big problem I see reguarding a new rwd lower level car for Nissan is the price. Do people not realise how ludicrously expensive Japanense sports cars were getting in the early mid 90's? .

Again like I stated...that was int eh 90's. Here in the 2000's bang for your buck is all around us ie WRX, Mazda Speed 3, Mini etc...

I'm not argueing so much that Nissan is going to "for sure" make a new car we want, but rather that there are going to be more cars in this segment that we are going to look forward to. I know I am. I'd loe for that purchase to be with Nissan, but if it doesn't happen, it seems we're going to get many other great options.

Your right though that the Z would have to bump up in price to probably the same as the G35 and also in HP.

wootwoot · 12-12-2006, 10:50 AM

Here is a perfect option for them to allow the z to become to a more wide spread audience. Up the price on the G35 and make it better!! Lower the price on the next Z EVEN MORE by not giving it so many fancy options. Make it to where it falls into the 25-30 price MAXIMUM compared to the 28-33 bracket.
The talks of the next rx7 are exciting. They want to make it like the first generation rx7 where technology was near irrelevant but a very fun car to drive and good to race. Direct injected rotaries will solve almost all emissisons problems while increasing power and gas mileage. Now they need to quit being so lazy and make it happen and throw variable displacement into the option. 270hp 25mpg 0 emission car. Come on Mazda!
The Kabura would also be getting double wishbone while I think the Miata is McPherson strut. Badassness

OptionZero · 12-12-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

^
That market is changing. You have to keep up. If you rest on only what didn't work for you 15 years ago then your doomed. If you rest of what only worked for you 5 years ago your also doomed. Look at the dependancy on Domestic brands and SUV's. 5 years ago they couldn't make enough. Now with gas prices they can't give enough insentives to move them.

My point is, you have to adapt. You HAVE to be competetive. If you rest on your lorals you become stail.

GM has proved that this segment can be successfull. Did you think 5 years ago the General could make a car that actually was a good competitor for the Miata? No, you'da been outta your mind if you thought that.

I don't quite agree. You have to keep up if you want to be one of the competitors. If you want to be a *leader*, you must go beyond "keeping up" to keeping up and moving ahead, and staying ahead.

Toyota has no problem entering any segment they choose to because they have the raw mfg capacity, capital, and engineering power...and if need be, cash to pay for someone that has the brains they need.

The Prius was a genre buster. The WRX created a segment. Here, Nissan is following...not just Mazda, but GM?

cue drift freaq to tell me the Nissan Quest is the greatest, most innovative Minivan of all time.

*exitspeed* · 12-12-2006, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

I don't quite agree. You have to keep up if you want to be one of the competitors. If you want to be a *leader*, you must go beyond "keeping up" to keeping up and moving ahead, and staying ahead.

That was essentially my point.

Yea, isn'y it funny that GM potenitally is going to lead the way with this segment? I give GM a lot of credit for some of their decisions as of late.

wootwoot · 12-13-2006, 12:01 AM

At this point they have less to lose?

OptionZero · 12-13-2006, 12:33 AM

Anyone else heard the rumors of a pumped up '07 350Z track? Stripped down weight, hard core suspension, a power boost (think i read it at freshalloy).

C'mon Nissan...do it...the '08 is right around the corner, just give us a little teaser for the GT-R by giving us ONE TRIM LEVEL for ONE YEAR that's a truly exciting car....320hp, 3000lb curb weight..you can do it...aint askin for that much

WILDACEX187 · 12-13-2006, 01:56 AM

if the new rx7 makes it out here and it doesnt suck like the rx8 i think i might just get that. hope its boosted thought cuz i hear s2k's can be rx8's and that is pretty fukkin sucky

*exitspeed* · 12-13-2006, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

Anyone else heard the rumors of a pumped up '07 350Z track? Stripped down weight, hard core suspension, a power boost (think i read it at freshalloy).

C'mon Nissan...do it...the '08 is right around the corner, just give us a little teaser for the GT-R by giving us ONE TRIM LEVEL for ONE YEAR that's a truly exciting car....320hp, 3000lb curb weight..you can do it...aint askin for that much

I don't frequent FA, but I've not heard anything about such a model.

You may be thinkin of the Euro 350z concept that Nissan had a few months back.

The 07 model did get a slight refreshening http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/05/n...ew-vq-in-350z/

wootwoot · 12-13-2006, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by WILDACEX187

if the new rx7 makes it out here and it doesnt suck like the rx8 i think i might just get that. hope its boosted thought cuz i hear s2k's can be rx8's and that is pretty fukkin sucky

Why did the rx8 suck so bad? The reason a lot of people are slow in them is the same reason why some people are slow in s2000's. You REALLY have to fuckin ride those bitches out. in an rx8 you need to take it to 9500 and then be able to shift reallllly quick. I think the rx8 is an awesome car, people were just expecting it to be like the rx7. Its not an rx7, its an rx8.

*exitspeed* · 12-13-2006, 10:12 AM

^
It's funny becuase I comment all the time that at EVERY auto-X event I do (either participating or spectating) people driving RX-8's SUCK! I don't think I've ever ran slower times then one, and I have a stock 240 hatch on all seasons.

WILDACEX187 · 12-13-2006, 11:03 AM

i guess people arent used to shifting at 10k rpms lol. i think in the autoX u dont even need to shift those cars with such a high ass limit

SimpleSexy180 · 12-13-2006, 11:12 AM

2nd gear all day

*exitspeed* · 12-13-2006, 11:38 AM

Yea I never shift outta second. I see no reason to have to in a RX-8.

Kn1ves · 12-13-2006, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Name any other successful light sporty rwd car out there that isnt a convertable and cost less than $25k.

you're right I can't name one car (im sure u wont accept mustang as an answer). Know why? Cuz everyone left the segment and now GM is reviving it.

LB.Motoring · 12-13-2006, 02:53 PM

20k.
coupe (more like roadster....)
ftw.

MR tho....

*exitspeed* · 12-13-2006, 03:20 PM

^
Is that sold here in the states? If not, it's useless.

WILDACEX187 · 12-13-2006, 09:00 PM

wtf is that? look at the suspension. thats so kewl lol

Ethix · 12-13-2006, 11:39 PM

I think that's a kit car built off an Accord chassis. A 3SGTE or something similar would be pretty nice in one of those.

EDIT: Here's a link http://www.attackforums.com/

-Mark

*exitspeed* · 12-14-2006, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethix

I think that's a kit car built off an Accord chassis. A 3SGTE or something similar would be pretty nice in one of those.

EDIT: Here's a link http://www.attackforums.com/

-Mark

That is pretty BA. The name is pretty gay though.

Wykydtron · 12-14-2006, 12:50 PM

I read through this thread again, WHY hasn't anyone brought up the fact that Nissan is rebuilding from a hole it fell in back in the late 90's? One of the Main reasons the s-chassie went out of production was the fact that Nissan almost went bankrupt. We even lost the Z!

I'm thankful that the company is turning around, the Nissan - Renault merger went for the better! The Z sold like mad and we are heading for the new GTR. The Nissan Altima is the best selling sedan off the lot, its only right that they release a sporty coupe. Along the new Altima, we have the new Sentra... Hopes of a new light weight coupe is on the horizon. One step at a time, and I believe signing this petition will help:

Nissan North America, Inc bring back the 240SX to the USA and Canada
http://www.petitiononline.com/240SX05/petition.html

^Any effort helps, forward it to all you friends, family, and co-workers.

*exitspeed* · 12-14-2006, 01:07 PM

I signed it. Unfortunatly I don't think 2800 signatures is gonna be enough.

Kn1ves · 12-15-2006, 04:18 AM

ive never heard of anything from petitiononline's petition ever actually working, thats why nobody cares about it

*exitspeed* · 12-15-2006, 09:04 AM

Autoblog is reporting about 240/200sx/Silvia rumors now. I consider them to a be a very good source too.I like that if they find the info they have to be false or not accurate they will change or get rid of it.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/15/n...a-replacement/

Same news over at Leftlane.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/...00sx-sucessor/

Kn1ves · 12-20-2006, 07:57 PM

nissan just made me happy in my pants. +1 for you

12-11-2006, 08:20 PM	#32
WILDACEX187 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: QUEENZ, NYC Age: 38 Posts: 3,103 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	lol mazda has arrows we roll with m16's __________________ SR POWA COUPE LUVVV!!!

12-12-2006, 07:53 AM	#35
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	^ That market is changing. You have to keep up. If you rest on only what didn't work for you 15 years ago then your doomed. If you rest of what only worked for you 5 years ago your also doomed. Look at the dependancy on Domestic brands and SUV's. 5 years ago they couldn't make enough. Now with gas prices they can't give enough insentives to move them. My point is, you have to adapt. You HAVE to be competetive. If you rest on your lorals you become stail. GM has proved that this segment can be successfull. Did you think 5 years ago the General could make a car that actually was a good competitor for the Miata? No, you'da been outta your mind if you thought that. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

12-12-2006, 10:18 AM	#36
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	A big problem I see reguarding a new rwd lower level car for Nissan is the price. Do people not realise how ludicrously expensive Japanense sports cars were getting in the early mid 90's? Each of them started off as an everyday mans sports car but that went away in the 90's as they started to use as much electronic trickery and insane engineering possible. They cost more then in 1995 dollars then a new 350z costs now. Nissan filled the gap between s13 and z32 with the z33. So either when the GTR comes out they need to bump up a z model or you guys to need to accept whats going on here. Other companies though have left themself room for such a model. __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

12-12-2006, 10:50 AM	#38
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here is a perfect option for them to allow the z to become to a more wide spread audience. Up the price on the G35 and make it better!! Lower the price on the next Z EVEN MORE by not giving it so many fancy options. Make it to where it falls into the 25-30 price MAXIMUM compared to the 28-33 bracket. The talks of the next rx7 are exciting. They want to make it like the first generation rx7 where technology was near irrelevant but a very fun car to drive and good to race. Direct injected rotaries will solve almost all emissisons problems while increasing power and gas mileage. Now they need to quit being so lazy and make it happen and throw variable displacement into the option. 270hp 25mpg 0 emission car. Come on Mazda! The Kabura would also be getting double wishbone while I think the Miata is McPherson strut. Badassness __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

12-13-2006, 12:01 AM	#41
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	At this point they have less to lose? __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

12-11-2006, 09:26 PM	#33
sccrstar011 Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: lynchburg, virginia Age: 34 Posts: 83 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I got to ride in a solstice today. I was actually surprised and impressed with the power it had. Would have been better if I could have driven it. I would drive one around town, but I dont think I would ever buy one because its a pontiac.

12-13-2006, 12:33 AM	#42
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Anyone else heard the rumors of a pumped up '07 350Z track? Stripped down weight, hard core suspension, a power boost (think i read it at freshalloy). C'mon Nissan...do it...the '08 is right around the corner, just give us a little teaser for the GT-R by giving us ONE TRIM LEVEL for ONE YEAR that's a truly exciting car....320hp, 3000lb curb weight..you can do it...aint askin for that much

12-13-2006, 01:56 AM	#43
WILDACEX187 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: QUEENZ, NYC Age: 38 Posts: 3,103 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	if the new rx7 makes it out here and it doesnt suck like the rx8 i think i might just get that. hope its boosted thought cuz i hear s2k's can be rx8's and that is pretty fukkin sucky __________________ SR POWA COUPE LUVVV!!!

12-13-2006, 10:12 AM	#46
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	^ It's funny becuase I comment all the time that at EVERY auto-X event I do (either participating or spectating) people driving RX-8's SUCK! I don't think I've ever ran slower times then one, and I have a stock 240 hatch on all seasons. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

12-13-2006, 11:03 AM	#47
WILDACEX187 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: QUEENZ, NYC Age: 38 Posts: 3,103 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	i guess people arent used to shifting at 10k rpms lol. i think in the autoX u dont even need to shift those cars with such a high ass limit __________________ SR POWA COUPE LUVVV!!!

12-13-2006, 11:12 AM	#48
SimpleSexy180 Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Cal Posts: 4,750 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: SimpleSexy180 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	2nd gear all day

12-13-2006, 11:38 AM	#49
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Yea I never shift outta second. I see no reason to have to in a RX-8. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

12-13-2006, 02:53 PM	#51
LB.Motoring Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SòCal♥ Age: 35 Posts: 5,840 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: LB.Motoring Feedback Score: 1 reviews	20k. coupe (more like roadster....) ftw. MR tho.... __________________ Robby Leuer

12-13-2006, 03:20 PM	#52
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	^ Is that sold here in the states? If not, it's useless. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

12-13-2006, 09:00 PM	#53
WILDACEX187 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: QUEENZ, NYC Age: 38 Posts: 3,103 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	wtf is that? look at the suspension. thats so kewl lol __________________ SR POWA COUPE LUVVV!!!

12-13-2006, 11:39 PM	#54
Ethix Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 92 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think that's a kit car built off an Accord chassis. A 3SGTE or something similar would be pretty nice in one of those. EDIT: Here's a link http://www.attackforums.com/ -Mark

12-14-2006, 12:50 PM	#56
Wykydtron Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Skykomish, WA Posts: 909 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I read through this thread again, WHY hasn't anyone brought up the fact that Nissan is rebuilding from a hole it fell in back in the late 90's? One of the Main reasons the s-chassie went out of production was the fact that Nissan almost went bankrupt. We even lost the Z! I'm thankful that the company is turning around, the Nissan - Renault merger went for the better! The Z sold like mad and we are heading for the new GTR. The Nissan Altima is the best selling sedan off the lot, its only right that they release a sporty coupe. Along the new Altima, we have the new Sentra... Hopes of a new light weight coupe is on the horizon. One step at a time, and I believe signing this petition will help: Nissan North America, Inc bring back the 240SX to the USA and Canada http://www.petitiononline.com/240SX05/petition.html ^Any effort helps, forward it to all you friends, family, and co-workers. __________________ @schassis.eddi

12-14-2006, 01:07 PM	#57
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I signed it. Unfortunatly I don't think 2800 signatures is gonna be enough. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

12-15-2006, 04:18 AM	#58
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ive never heard of anything from petitiononline's petition ever actually working, thats why nobody cares about it __________________ there's something here

12-15-2006, 09:04 AM	#59
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Autoblog is reporting about 240/200sx/Silvia rumors now. I consider them to a be a very good source too.I like that if they find the info they have to be false or not accurate they will change or get rid of it. http://www.autoblog.com/2006/12/15/n...a-replacement/ Same news over at Leftlane. http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/12/...00sx-sucessor/ __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

12-20-2006, 07:57 PM	#60
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	nissan just made me happy in my pants. +1 for you __________________ there's something here

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