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weitau · 03-07-2005, 07:46 PM

Congrats to your g/f Smog_tech! she's going to be real happy!

420sx · 03-07-2005, 07:48 PM

240sx for most of us is gonna be like an old girlfriend. im against new cars. build your own.

katbak · 03-07-2005, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

The only new cars worth mentioning:

G35C
350Z
'06 Corvette
Mitsu EVO VIII
Subie STi (not the rex...)
SRT-4
MazdaSpeed 6
Rx-8
Acura TL-S
Lotus Elise
Honda Odyessey!

Anything else is too expensive and/or ugly and/or slow to bother with...

Used car possibilities:
One day i'd like to own an FD...and make it run. One day. Possibly an FC, but by then they'd be real old...

an SC400/300 for pimpness

and if i could ever fit in one...a first gen S20000

Uhh... I'd take a RX-7 before an RX-8 and yes the RX-7 is quite worth mentioning...

Ian · 03-07-2005, 09:15 PM

why is the SRT 4 worth mentioning?

maybe you're mentioning cars to never consider as well?

420sx · 03-08-2005, 10:44 AM

still FWD is FWD. i dont like to be pulled around. hehe only pushed

Ritz S14 · 03-08-2005, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by katbak

Uhh... I'd take a RX-7 before an RX-8 and yes the RX-7 is quite worth mentioning...

He said "new" cars. But hella yeah FD>FE..or whatever

RanciD · 03-08-2005, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weitau

I had my first 240 for two years when I was in grad school. Base model, but 5 speed. Then I got a job and thought I needed a new car, so I got the Honda Element. Torquey motor, HUGE space, but it didn't paste a smile on my face like the 240 did. When I sold the 240 to another guy on this board, I thought I could get another in SE trim. Could not find one. It was like withdrawl. I ended up snapping up a convertible and coupe, thinking the world was going to run out of 240's. I sold the Element to pay for restoration of the 'vert and SR build up.

Makoto, I hear ya. If I were to do it again, it would be a KA-T hatch 'cause the way I drive. I'm a stoplight-seat in your pants guy. Not much into racing. The SR loves to rev, and the cops here love 'em too 'cause it helps them fill their quotas.

I'm sorry to have parted you from your 240! But it is doing well, hiding from the snow in my garage right now.

I just changed the oil and got it ready for the road again this past weekend for an autocross later this month. I'll have to take some pictures of it cleaned up with the new wheels for you.

Anyway, just thought I'd drop in and say hi. Good luck with the new car search!

weitau · 03-14-2005, 08:01 PM

dude, it's no problem! it was time to pass the torch, and I am very glad that she's being well cared for! I think we both made out ok. I'll still take the power windows any day!

infinitexsound · 03-14-2005, 11:25 PM

10k should of just paid a high end shop to do the swap... umm scion i say NO... should of just got a useful beater like a old pick-up... u can find those for around 1k, but thats just me...............anyone want a 81 toy pick up?

**West** · 03-15-2005, 01:02 AM

Working for a Toyota dealership I think I can chime in some worthwhile 2cents.

Scion is nothing but modern day Metro's with a trendy marketing strategy. They may be affordable (in new car markets) but sit back and look at what you’re getting. The tC is based off the Avensis from Europe, which happens to be a family car. Seems Toyota likes to do this with allot of cars. Sadly it works well for them, as of late anyways. Lexus is trying to distinguish themselves and they realized they will never become of BMW or Benz quality with taking Toyota designs and calling them their own.

The tC... The overall cheap feeling of the entire car bothers me. As with all Scions, you can tell they didn’t spend much timing dedicated to the quality of engineering, or rather time spent to prefect it. The tC is obviously a 4dr chassis. Just open the door, it feels awkward and heavy. Personally I can’t get comfortable in a tC, while it allows for some good adjustment, at 5'9" I either feel to tall or too short, no happy medium there. Maybe im prejudice toward FWD cars but drive the tC and prepare for ungodly amounts of torque steer, no thanks.

I won’t chime in on the xB or xA. If you really want a car like that then you have either fallen to trend, or are utterly confused on what a good daily driver should be. Get a Corrolla or Impreza. Most the options that come "standard" with Scions are "standard" with Kia, Daewoo, etc.

s14's are becoming 10 years old now, probably older than some of you... thanks to the industry. You can’t compare the two. If you are going to get stuck building a car then maybe you should have considered what you were getting yourself into to begin with, and don’t think you would get yourself into the same with a new car.

WanganRunner · 03-15-2005, 04:47 AM

I want an xB daily driver too.

Toss some Work Equip 03s on there, boso it up a bit. It'd look cool.

OptionZero · 03-15-2005, 02:40 PM

Why is an SRT-4 worth mentioning? Because it's got 240hp turbo 2.4L thats (From whati 've heard), overbuilt...and it comes with a nice LSD and its under $20K.

Name a faster new car for UNDER 20k? In a straight line it runs with EVO's and WRX's...

WhiteNissanS13 · 03-15-2005, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weitau

I agree, a M3 would be the only other competitor to the 240sx/SR.

seriously?

TRUENOCOUPE · 03-15-2005, 04:23 PM

I also bought a Scion Tc. I love it and no regrets.

Soon will be seeing track days.

-l

weitau · 03-15-2005, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteNissanS13

seriously?

There are not too many rear wheel drive cars in the same price range ($10-15k). But there are other cars like Saab Viggen, SRT, and they are all very good, but not rwd. Let's open it up... what other cars do you have in mind?

OptionZero · 03-15-2005, 09:44 PM

similar performance to an SR'd 240 for 10-15K?

AWD:
Impreza 2.5RS + 7-8k in mods
3000GT VR-4
Audi A4 1.8T

RWD:
MR2 Turbo
Rx-7 (fd)
Rx-7 (fc + like what..10k in mods?)
MKIII Supra
300ZX Turbo
1st gen Miata + 10k in mods
1st Gen MR2 supercharged + ...12k in mods?
some generation of Corvette?
Ford Taurus SHO (don't laugh...has a Yamaha v6)
Porsche 944 Turbo (S)
used NSX (probably not possible for under 20, but i'll throw it in there)

FWD:
Integra Type R (probably pushing it $$wise)
Celica GT-S (never seen one in autoX or at a track, but weighs only 2500lbs + 180hp altho i heard gearing sucks so its not nearly as fast as should be)
B13 Sentra SE-R (has an SR!!! haha)
variety of Volkswagens with the 1.8T or VR6...the Corrado doesn't look too bad I guess

There's pretty good range of options, drive 'em and see is all I can tell you.

My personal favs are the Porsche 944 (which in stock form is basically a pumped up 180sx, down to the hatchback and popups) and the FD (most beautiful car ever), but both require more mechanical wherewithal than I have...and require some cash to get running reliably and maintain.

SimpleS14 · 03-15-2005, 09:55 PM

My car is getting old and is definately not for everyone (stiff ride, rattles here and there)...but I plan on keeping it and maintaining it for another four years. The looks are not too bad and with some TLC it keeps me happy. Anyways, my next car I plan to buy is a 2006~ Infiniti M45. I'm serious about that....and that another reason why I want my car for another four years (or more).

ZK · 03-16-2005, 10:26 AM

My next new car I am looking at the STI, Evo, G35 coupe and maybe the Legacy 2.5GT (250hp and more refinement for only 1K more than a WRX). But then new cars will always come out so who knows what will be out in a couple of years? In the meantime, I'm not holding my breath.

OptionZero · 03-16-2005, 10:58 AM

Don't forget the MazdaSpeed 6 (250hp also, direct injection, AWD). That'll be a nice battle if Subie and Mazda keep it up.

Also, the RX-8, which is better looking than any of those cars =P Down on power, but still has the suspension, right?

ZK · 03-16-2005, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

Don't forget the MazdaSpeed 6 (250hp also, direct injection, AWD). That'll be a nice battle if Subie and Mazda keep it up.

Also, the RX-8, which is better looking than any of those cars =P Down on power, but still has the suspension, right?

The Mazdaspeed 6 is looking more like a stop-gap car than anything really good. Mazda is just putting out a car with capabilities similar to other popular cars to compete in the market. I very much doubt the car will hold up very well over time and hard driving. Plus the Mazda 6's original V6 is a FORD design. I test drove a Mazda 6 V6 5 speed and it left much to be desired.

the RX-8 although more reliable than old rotories, is still a rotory and Mazda has mentioned it should last about 100K miles before a rebuild and it consumes motor oil like all rotories. Plus the styling is kinda wierd. That front fender hump doesn't flow with the rest of the car.

m0rex · 03-16-2005, 01:14 PM

The Honda Odyssey pawns everything. End of conversation.

OptionZero · 03-16-2005, 02:30 PM

The Mazdaspeed6 is not a v6, its a Direct Injection 2.5L inline 4 i think.

MikeFD3S · 03-16-2005, 06:56 PM

The Scion TC feels really cheap on the inside.

The outside of the car is visually appealing with the exception of the overly large quarter panel, as someone has mentioned before, the car is obviously based on a 4 door chassis.

Used Lexus is the best money spent I think. I got my 5sp SC300 for 5k, and with another 10k into it, it can be made to be as fast as a Supra, and handle decently.

By the way, the American Honda Odyssey cannot compare to the Japanese Odyssey. JDM Odyssey 0WNZ j00!!! It's like a giant EP3 Civic hatchback.

Var · 03-16-2005, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRUENOCOUPE

I also bought a Scion Tc. I love it and no regrets.

Soon will be seeing track days.

-l

zilvia isnt the best place to come out of the closet Al

Rusker · 03-16-2005, 09:02 PM

My girl just traded in the 94 GSR for a Scion tC. The GSR was in perfect condition with only 54k original miles. They offered her $7k for the GSR, so after test driving the TC, it was hard to resist.

Now she was replacing her daily driver for something else. She has a 94 MR2 to have fun with. I don't know how you can compare the tC with the SR powered 240.. it's two completely different kinds of cars.

The tC is a really nice car, and I really like driving it sometimes compared to my cars. You really do get alot for the money when compared to other cars. I really don't like many of the newer cars that have come out, but I do like the tC. Now I wouldn't trade my 240 for it, but that's besides the point.

We just installed some Teins on it a few weekends ago.

03-07-2005, 07:48 PM	#32
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	240sx for most of us is gonna be like an old girlfriend. im against new cars. build your own. __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

03-08-2005, 10:44 AM	#35
420sx Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Age: 38 Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: 420sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	still FWD is FWD. i dont like to be pulled around. hehe only pushed __________________ hydropgrahics! ls1......

03-14-2005, 11:25 PM	#39
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	10k should of just paid a high end shop to do the swap... umm scion i say NO... should of just got a useful beater like a old pick-up... u can find those for around 1k, but thats just me...............anyone want a 81 toy pick up? __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

03-15-2005, 01:02 AM	#40
West OMNOMNOMNOM Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Denver, CO Age: 40 Posts: 6,456 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: West Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Working for a Toyota dealership I think I can chime in some worthwhile 2cents. Scion is nothing but modern day Metro's with a trendy marketing strategy. They may be affordable (in new car markets) but sit back and look at what you’re getting. The tC is based off the Avensis from Europe, which happens to be a family car. Seems Toyota likes to do this with allot of cars. Sadly it works well for them, as of late anyways. Lexus is trying to distinguish themselves and they realized they will never become of BMW or Benz quality with taking Toyota designs and calling them their own. The tC... The overall cheap feeling of the entire car bothers me. As with all Scions, you can tell they didn’t spend much timing dedicated to the quality of engineering, or rather time spent to prefect it. The tC is obviously a 4dr chassis. Just open the door, it feels awkward and heavy. Personally I can’t get comfortable in a tC, while it allows for some good adjustment, at 5'9" I either feel to tall or too short, no happy medium there. Maybe im prejudice toward FWD cars but drive the tC and prepare for ungodly amounts of torque steer, no thanks. I won’t chime in on the xB or xA. If you really want a car like that then you have either fallen to trend, or are utterly confused on what a good daily driver should be. Get a Corrolla or Impreza. Most the options that come "standard" with Scions are "standard" with Kia, Daewoo, etc. s14's are becoming 10 years old now, probably older than some of you... thanks to the industry. You can’t compare the two. If you are going to get stuck building a car then maybe you should have considered what you were getting yourself into to begin with, and don’t think you would get yourself into the same with a new car. __________________ West - Zilvia.net - Toyobaru.net - NapkinSketch.com

03-16-2005, 10:26 AM	#48
ZK Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Cal Posts: 1,068 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My next new car I am looking at the STI, Evo, G35 coupe and maybe the Legacy 2.5GT (250hp and more refinement for only 1K more than a WRX). But then new cars will always come out so who knows what will be out in a couple of years? In the meantime, I'm not holding my breath. __________________ SOLD: 91 240SX Coupe SR20DET, 05 Evolution 8 NEW: 08 Evoluton 10

03-07-2005, 07:46 PM	#31
weitau Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Charlotte/NYC Posts: 316 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Congrats to your g/f Smog_tech! she's going to be real happy!

03-14-2005, 08:01 PM	#38
weitau Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Charlotte/NYC Posts: 316 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dude, it's no problem! it was time to pass the torch, and I am very glad that she's being well cared for! I think we both made out ok. I'll still take the power windows any day!

03-15-2005, 04:47 AM	#41
WanganRunner Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Posts: 1,655 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I want an xB daily driver too. Toss some Work Equip 03s on there, boso it up a bit. It'd look cool.

03-15-2005, 02:40 PM	#42
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Why is an SRT-4 worth mentioning? Because it's got 240hp turbo 2.4L thats (From whati 've heard), overbuilt...and it comes with a nice LSD and its under $20K. Name a faster new car for UNDER 20k? In a straight line it runs with EVO's and WRX's...

03-15-2005, 04:23 PM	#44
TRUENOCOUPE Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Norcal Drift Division Age: 39 Posts: 1,642 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I also bought a Scion Tc. I love it and no regrets. Soon will be seeing track days. -l

03-15-2005, 09:44 PM	#46
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	similar performance to an SR'd 240 for 10-15K? AWD: Impreza 2.5RS + 7-8k in mods 3000GT VR-4 Audi A4 1.8T RWD: MR2 Turbo Rx-7 (fd) Rx-7 (fc + like what..10k in mods?) MKIII Supra 300ZX Turbo 1st gen Miata + 10k in mods 1st Gen MR2 supercharged + ...12k in mods? some generation of Corvette? Ford Taurus SHO (don't laugh...has a Yamaha v6) Porsche 944 Turbo (S) used NSX (probably not possible for under 20, but i'll throw it in there) FWD: Integra Type R (probably pushing it $$wise) Celica GT-S (never seen one in autoX or at a track, but weighs only 2500lbs + 180hp altho i heard gearing sucks so its not nearly as fast as should be) B13 Sentra SE-R (has an SR!!! haha) variety of Volkswagens with the 1.8T or VR6...the Corrado doesn't look too bad I guess There's pretty good range of options, drive 'em and see is all I can tell you. My personal favs are the Porsche 944 (which in stock form is basically a pumped up 180sx, down to the hatchback and popups) and the FD (most beautiful car ever), but both require more mechanical wherewithal than I have...and require some cash to get running reliably and maintain.

03-15-2005, 09:55 PM	#47
SimpleS14 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Philly Age: 38 Posts: 9,185 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SimpleS14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My car is getting old and is definately not for everyone (stiff ride, rattles here and there)...but I plan on keeping it and maintaining it for another four years. The looks are not too bad and with some TLC it keeps me happy. Anyways, my next car I plan to buy is a 2006~ Infiniti M45. I'm serious about that....and that another reason why I want my car for another four years (or more).

03-16-2005, 10:58 AM	#49
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Don't forget the MazdaSpeed 6 (250hp also, direct injection, AWD). That'll be a nice battle if Subie and Mazda keep it up. Also, the RX-8, which is better looking than any of those cars =P Down on power, but still has the suspension, right?

03-16-2005, 01:14 PM	#51
m0rex Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Nebraska Posts: 1,070 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The Honda Odyssey pawns everything. End of conversation.

03-16-2005, 02:30 PM	#52
OptionZero Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Norcal Age: 37 Posts: 6,262 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: OptionZero Feedback Score: 2 reviews	The Mazdaspeed6 is not a v6, its a Direct Injection 2.5L inline 4 i think.

03-16-2005, 06:56 PM	#53
MikeFD3S Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Torrance, CA Age: 41 Posts: 240 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The Scion TC feels really cheap on the inside. The outside of the car is visually appealing with the exception of the overly large quarter panel, as someone has mentioned before, the car is obviously based on a 4 door chassis. Used Lexus is the best money spent I think. I got my 5sp SC300 for 5k, and with another 10k into it, it can be made to be as fast as a Supra, and handle decently. By the way, the American Honda Odyssey cannot compare to the Japanese Odyssey. JDM Odyssey 0WNZ j00!!! It's like a giant EP3 Civic hatchback. __________________ '93 FD3S R1 '92 SC300 5SP '87 FC3S Sport Turbo II conversion '90 240SX Hatch '89 240SX Coupe [dead] '91 Geo Storm [dead] '86 FC3S GXL [gone]

03-16-2005, 09:02 PM	#55
Rusker Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Washington Posts: 351 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My girl just traded in the 94 GSR for a Scion tC. The GSR was in perfect condition with only 54k original miles. They offered her $7k for the GSR, so after test driving the TC, it was hard to resist. Now she was replacing her daily driver for something else. She has a 94 MR2 to have fun with. I don't know how you can compare the tC with the SR powered 240.. it's two completely different kinds of cars. The tC is a really nice car, and I really like driving it sometimes compared to my cars. You really do get alot for the money when compared to other cars. I really don't like many of the newer cars that have come out, but I do like the tC. Now I wouldn't trade my 240 for it, but that's besides the point. We just installed some Teins on it a few weekends ago. __________________ 1990 S13/SR20

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