unometeeter

Trust me I'm trying to get paperwork but he's being shady about te situation, I'm not trying to push this into legal action, but the fact is I did not sign a waiver releasing him from liability. He is liable I signed nothing, he blew my t25 at 16psi, everyone knows that turbo won't flow that much boost, it'll just heat soak and blow.

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unometeeter

No, nothing I was told to drop it off and leave the keys in it, they took my name and number. You need a Dyno consent form of some sort for this kind of work. This is to protect the tuner. Unfortunately this shop is unprofessional and tey need to take car of there actions. If I was given a consent form I would not be talking about this, it would be on me

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KiLLeR2001

I don't understand this "7psi tune". Isn't this a stock SR? Hook your wastegate directly to boost pressure and there is your 7psi tune.

Unless this guy is feeling generous, I think we all know how this story will turn out.

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unometeeter

I wanted a stock tune, for best reliability it was running lean, injectors, greddy intake, intake/exhaust manifold, 3 inch isis exhaust from turbo back, greddy fmic, , fpr, bov, apexi power fc. And more. I just wanted it a little bit richer in boost.

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z2roll4life7

Hate to be this guy but if you got a FPR and added a little more pressure you could of got what you were asking with out all this trouble.

I blew my t25 (like snapped the shaft in half) years ago and it didn't take the motor with it and I had to drive it 30 miles home.

There had to be another problem, low oil or excessive heat breaking down the oil.

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rwtf

I was wondering the same shit. actually 11psi is stock with the boost solenoid, and 7psi stock wg spring.

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Hoffman5982

I see you're in Navarre. This wasn't Drunk Man Tuning was is?

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unometeeter

No boost solenoid wastegate was set to 7psi he put a mbc ok the car, he didn't do 12psi with a t25 which is common he over boosted to 16 way to much for a t25

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unometeeter

No names will be said yet.

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unometeeter

Trust me I tried that, and it was still a little lean. I should have added more and never wet to this "experienced tuner"
Fresh oil change with ams oil. Before the tune, the car was check along with oil pressure/collant everything beforehand so I could get it fixed. Oil level is perfect.
Car has always been sound and solid.

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zurud

He is not responsible for your motor. Anything can happen. You won't get shit. Wtf with 7 psi tune. Stock everything can go to 12 psi reliably

WRX_Fan_0717

Alright I am the Tuner. How do you get I blew out a bearing and turbo on your car from tuning it? lol
You work at a shop man you should know how bearings usually always go. Here i'll piece it together for you .

Lets get this story STRAIGHT bro. It's funny how you leave out the parts of you hitting something on the road 45-55 minutes away from the shop that induced an oil light DRIVING which means you had less than 15psi sustained oil pressure for 45-55 minutes driving to me. Lets be clear oil starvation will spin a bearing and kill a stock turbo from starvation 99/100 times before detonation from a stock turbo even at 14-15psi. I talked to you about this the second i saw it! You dropped off and your car had issues. I have steady appointment to work around and your car gets the any free second I have. That's how all shops treat "problematic' cars.

1) You admitted and told me that you "hit something" on the way to the shop and YOU OIL LIGHT CAME ON. I talked to you about it and expressed my concerns and asked if it was an error. By this time I had idled the car in the bay only, didn't even drive it. All i did was setup your injector offsets/scaling.

2) How the hell do you know what I did? You weren't there? You could have been and I'd much rather you were. How did you even come up with this blatant lies? Is it to get an angle for me to replace you worn/oil starved (you induced btw) motor? You wonder why so many tuners don't like what we do and second guess our own careers.

If i "hit 17psi" and beat the crap out of it i guarantee i'd knock a piston out from det waaaaaay before a HEALTHY bearing on a stock motor. Dude think about it logically, the stock turbo was acting funny with me and I asked about oil pressure. You drove 45 MINUTES from Crestview with NO OIL PRESSURE!!!!!! It was enough to kill your stock turbo you think it wouldn't cause any other harm in the internals?! Ding ding ding!!!
A bearing spins it takes a couple heat cycles before it really shows face. I can almost tell you without doubt the bearing was gone after the car cooled off when you dropped it off.

2) The car has A TON of age on it. I never once said 17psi. The car has NEVER SEEN over 4-5psi EVER in my possession or 60% throttle as i was still dialing in the Injectors, Fuel Map etc. You addmitted to driving the car for a long as time in a lean condition theres no telling the condition of the motor. The MBC was and still is zero'd out on WG pressure. I literally took it out on the side street after finally scaling the injectors and MAF correlation. It has never even seen over 20mph you fool.

3) The car is supposed to be ready for extended WOT tuning when it gets to me. I have to trust your mechanicals to tune the car. You told me it was a faulty sensor and ONLY THEN I finally took it out on the side street where i realized something seemed off. I went back to look over the car again. Check my scalings fuel map etc as it staged fuel oddly. Which nothing out of the norm for a FC car.

4) Honestly man I think you want someone to blame, and sadly you need to mature up look at the situ and realize you have to blame yourself.
I have housed you car for free for over 2 weeks which will end on Monday. I told you to get a junkyard turbo IN CASE YOU OIL SYSTEM is effed so you can replace the oiling system FIRST. I repeated this a few times saying the oiling system is much more important that the stupid turbo which without a doubt died from starvation. Then you really don't blame me for you going against what I said and buying an ISIS turbo and spending mroe money!! I STRONGLY stressed that you DONT do that. I know what i said because i was standing there when I said it.

I did all I could man, it's honestly situations like this that make me not ever help this community out ever again.

I haven't even charged you a freaking DIME yet either. Don't blame your isis turbo that you purchased and aftermarket parts you bought and had installed on me. You are way off there sir, way off from the truth and almost everything you said holds no validity.

I have 4000-5000 happy happy customers my reputation is unblemished until now which is a testament to my personality and willingness to help. I bricked someones ECU recently yeah it happens I overnight a new one. However, if you think for a second your getting a free turbo and motor because you starved your motor of oil you nuts bro. Nuts. This is honestly BS dude all of it and honestly you're on your own now.

Good luck with the car.

Also the only reason why you didn't sign a waiver and I discounted the tune heavily is because Kurtis told me to hook you up. I did and now look where it got me.

WRX_Fan_0717

Also I said if EGTs and Knock was non existent we would shoot for 14 maybe 15. I'm not an idiot I don't turn the boost up immediately I have to set/stage lower levels of the fuel map first. Ask anyone who tunes this is common practice.

That car would have been on WG until I hammered out most everything and slowly turned up. You just making up lies.

z2roll4life7

Well now I guess we know what happened

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Croustibat

I just wrote a long answer, but a crappy system just blocked and deleted it.

So here is the short version. SR20DETs can handle 30+ psi; a blown turbo does not kill a bearing, a CA18DET T25 can hold 15+ psi all day even though it starts to heat soak, and an SR20DET T25 can handle 20psi all day too (i am running one at 23psi now). Finally, oil starvation is easy to prove.

So next time, if the OP wants a reliable tune, he should start by NOT buying crap (isis) and getting a fresh engine. No miracles, worn engine needs a rebuild, not a tune. Sorry OP, but you are quite likely to lose if you intend on something legal.

BTW, my T25 has handled 15+ psi for more than 20.000km before i switched to its bigger brother. And it already was 150.000km old when i got it. Buy crap, buy twice... again, no miracle.

Edit: i am not a pro tuner either, but i do write my own maps using nistune. I can confirm what the tuner says (i dont know him, i live across the ocean, where we dont have KA24s in our S13/14/15 )

KiLLeR2001

Looks like the OP was having issues with his oil light coming on beforehand...

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=565218

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aga

op is a retard, it's obvious from the first post.

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unometeeter

1. I sure did hit something, I called ahead of time, letting them know about that issue for the shop to look at the car and make sure it was ok to drive/tune. They told me everything was ok. I told them to look over the entire car and if anything was needing to be addressed to do it, they obviously released the car to you for tuning after they replaced the fpr that was faulty I out on that day.

2. You told me my car was not running as lean as I thought and it was not that far off because you thought a o2 sensor was bad or some shit, I told the shop to replace it for you so you could do it. You called and told me you had the car tuned good at 7 except the idle issue you were trying to figure out.

3. That's my bad

4. I don't want someone to blame, I need you to help, all you did was tell me you blew it up, and get a cheap used turbo. That's all no follow up, no help. Whatsoever shit I've never heard someone blow a motor up so calmly. Something along the lines of sorry buddy but we'll make this right would have been nice, not jump on the forum find some shit and we'll try again. I never once blamed you until the shop called and told me oil pressure was in point at 40psi. And they don't know why it let go. Turbos just don't go, i don't care what the age, it's the conditions that they are maintained and used that determines there durability. I don't know if you really did over boost it, or if it did what you said it did (let go at idle) @7psi it's so against the odds. I just know I dropped it off running. How it I get it back with rod knock? And a good oil system according to the shop?
I never asked you for ANYTHING. You could have HELPED me by following up and not just leaving the car sitting there. Nothing like hey we can rebuild it or hey let's get this figured out after I replaced the turbo.
It's the fact that you honestly didn't care, and I'm not asking you for anything. No one wanted this to happen, trust me I just wanted a tune, now I feel like I'm getting no where.

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Hoffman5982

I know the tuner, and have seen a lot of the cars he has tuned. He is excellent at what he does and when the time comes I will not hesitate to have him tune my car. Op is dumb. The only way a t25 will blow the motor is if there are more serious underlying issues. It sucks what happened, but you should not take your car to get tuned unless it is 100% ready. Clearly this car wasn't.

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Yellow4g63

I loled when he said the tuner spun his bearings.

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Chaluska

how is it the tuners responsibility to make sure the engine is in tip-top mechanical shape before tuning it? if i were the tuner, i would have refused to tune it after hearing it had been driven for miles with low oil pressure.

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TheRealSy90

I don't think I could blow a motor on a t25 if I tried... Also, why would you want it tuned on 7psi when that is less than stock boost lol. You're shit out of luck bro, sounds like you're pre-existing issue of low oil pressure kicked you in the ass.

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anthonyr sil8ty

Seriously tho who makes a a thread knowing their at fault. Christ the Nissan scene is getting dumber and dumber, Fucking rookies!

Seraphim38

One issue with a prior post, if it does come to posting negative reviews you can be counter sued for defamation. Avoiding names at this point is a good idea.

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Clicky

My shop got sued because my manager just opened the hood to look at something.

He told the lady she needed to replace an obvious repair.

She denied.

When the customer left it just happened to break down.

She sued and the judge sided with the woman saying that she did not sign anything authorizing us to even touch her car.

She won.

Lol

dizzariot

...maybe I should be happy I'm driving and FRS now...even though the community fucking sucks just as much. I love coming here to read

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LEG1T

Tuner, sounds like stand up guy...

OP seems to have issues beforehand leading to the mishap.

I'm with the tuner on this just based on both sides case.

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BoostSlideWayz

Unfortunately its a pretty crappy situation. When ever you have someone do work for you thats not a certified mechanic its tough to actually get any sort of refund.

Personally thats why i only trust tune shops that are actual legitimate business's because like any automotive shop you pay for a fix or upgrade and if they fail to do so or cause more damage they have to fix it with no cost.

In this situation it seems like he has the power because you can't force him to do any repairs. But on the other hand if he charged you money, you paid him and he caused damage he needs to fix it. Even though by law it doesnt have to.

But yeah i can understand your frustration, i've had shops before do things not even related to what i asked to be done and its annoying.

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WRX_Fan_0717

No buddy I NEVER even told you your motor was blown. I said the 20 year old unknown mileage turbo went out on me. You could move the coldside 5mm or more by hand. It's impossible to hear anything over a slapping turbo.
I said replace the turbo with a junker and keep cost down to possibly dig into your oiling problem. Period end of story. Never said the motor was nuked.

I just found out 2 days ago or so that motor did spin a bearing. I have been working nonstop getting customer cars out including today. I don't get days or time off man I don't have the luxuries of constantly calling you. It wasn't a tune matter anyway.

They just found out the motor nuked a bearing after the turbo was purchased and shipped then installed. Like maybe day before yesterday? I have been working non stop and haven't even looked at the car since I decided the turbo was done and pulled it apart for free and checked it for you.

I had 9-10 cars the last couple of days and working on 25 plus days without a day off. Believe me I was getting around to calling you. Bryan called you from the shop two days ago or so? Last we talked was right after your turbo went. 2 weeks prior. There was no inclination the motor was faulty at that time. I just expressed concerns over the oil pressure situation. Also, he (Bryan) would be more of the guy to let you know the motor was dead. You're now mixing up two different scenarios that were weeks apart. I'm the tuner I'm not a mechanic. I tune. Going online and defaming me YOU BETTER BELIEVE I will drop everything to put my rebuttal. You're negligence is now affecting my hard earned credibility that puts food on my table.
It's you're own doing own up to it and don't go online to figure out a way for me to pay for it. I'm not sure if you just don't understand the situation or you truly in some messed up way believe I'm actually somehow responsible.

It's pretty simple man. You oil starved your turbo which causes heat, that nuked the turbo. I had no inclination to believe it was a bearing I raised the fact of if the turbo went from starvation I was worried about the internals. At the time the a turbo seems to die from age after talking to you about my worries.

Also it isn't hard to piece together if your oil pressure as low enough to cook a turbo it would not be a stretch to cook a bearing from starvation. It's common sense man.
I can also tell you without a doubt in my mind that bearing was damaged on the drive out as well as the turbo. You are right a blown turbo won't cause a spun bearing with the minimal amount I drove the car. The ROOT OF THE BLOWN TURBO would which is low oil pressure. Also you lied again you bought that FPR only be used the Nismo one you bought was faulty. We didn't make you buy anything. You wanted too. Also you told us you just bought the car, but now you have this extensive history with it? Lol

I will no longer entertain this thread. You may pickup you car Monday or you will be charge storage fees daily.
I would not suggest walking into my office.



I'm sorry if I'm coming off as a prick, but this is behind ridiculous. And defamation is illegal. I'd chose your words wisely. Because your lack of common mechanical knowledge let's attack the tuner and his reputation? I guess that's just today's society.

omgosh

"Stock tune" "7psi tune" lmao

what are you even "tuning" with?

Sucks that this happened but its really all on you OP. 16psi on a t25 shouldnt have been an issue. SRs love to rodknock at the drop of a hat from what Ive seen..

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