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s14unimog · 09-23-2008, 07:25 AM

Not sure how many people on here follow other peoples work, but I needed closure on my little painting fu*k up; so here is the conclusion. As you may or may not know I started a thread a little while back about my fender and bumper repair. If you missed out, here is the old thread. As you'll notice, I didn't exactly get the color match right, and with my limited painting experience, I was left scratching my head and looking for reasons. Well, this is where the saying "Do it right or do it twice" really comes into play. I pulled the parts this weekend, ruffed them up, and started over. What I did different this time, was apply a dark gray primer before the base coat. Apparently "BP3" my stock color (Mediterranean Blue Mica) is fairly translucent so the color below it effects the way the final color actually looks. Plus I found out a nifty trick for spraying metal flake. Apparently you use high pressure on your last pass and distance yourself from the panel a bit to make the metal flake "stand up". Either way, I'm done now and it looks MUCH MUCH better.

On with the pictures:

Before (notice the color difference on the fender)

parts off

after wet sanding

Lunch break

My little sister rear ended a pickup in her s14 and is getting my stock bumper/lip/hood/and wing

Pops takin his turn with the gun, photo opp!

I meant to take more pictures during the color and clear but....forgot. Done!

Final Product (keep in mind the car is filthy)

emersonLP · 09-23-2008, 07:30 AM

My parts look real nice on your car

take good care of them!

German headlights coming soon?....

FRoSt415 · 09-23-2008, 07:35 AM

GReat job, looks much better. what kind of clear did you use?

s14unimog · 09-23-2008, 07:39 AM

It's a PPG, catalyzed, production clear.
PPG's Catalog Page

*burnsauto* · 09-23-2008, 07:41 AM

so did you ever figure out the problem from the last time ?

s14unimog · 09-23-2008, 07:43 AM

Yeah, it was the white base color below.

ZenkiKid · 09-23-2008, 07:44 AM

yeah he said he used a darker primer and on his last run around with a gun used high pressure and distanced himself from the panel

yota man · 09-23-2008, 07:52 AM

Looks good man!

lifewater · 09-23-2008, 09:09 AM

Is that the same primer that Nissan uses from the factory? I'm gonna be repainting my gold Zenki soon and I want to make sure I have the right primer :P

*burnsauto* · 09-23-2008, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lifewater

Is that the same primer that Nissan uses from the factory? I'm gonna be repainting my gold Zenki soon and I want to make sure I have the right primer :P

general rule of thumb is to match the color of the primer, with the color of the paint. Darker colors = darker primer, lighter colors = lighter primer.

lifewater · 09-23-2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnsauto

general rule of thumb is to match the color of the primer, with the color of the paint. Darker colors = darker primer, lighter colors = lighter primer.

In your opinion would gold be considered a dark color? It seems in between

Om1kron · 09-23-2008, 09:42 AM

I know I will be using a dark primer for my graphite gray mica paint job.

*burnsauto* · 09-23-2008, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lifewater

In your opinion would gold be considered a dark color? It seems in between

it all depends on the look your going for. If you're looking for the paint to really POP, then a lighter primer would be ideal. If you want something more subtle, darker primer.

Primer colors to chose from (just do some reading up on it)
-white
-yellow
-grey
(edit: true, no black primer.)
..and every now and then i see red/brown primer, but not too often.

s14unimog · 09-23-2008, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burnsauto

it all depends on the look your going for. If you're looking for the paint to really POP, then a lighter primer would be ideal. If you want something more subtle, darker primer.

Primer colors to chose from (just do some reading up on it)
-white
-yellow
-grey
-black
..and every now and then i see red/brown primer, but not too often.

Actually not true. As for primer colors there are MANY and you'll notice you never see true "black". If you are repainting the car and wish to get as close to factory as possible then you need to go get these primer shade strips (best I can describe them) from your paint supplier. Apparently you get a bunch of shades of primer colored paper and the idea is to paint all of them as you would a body panel. Once everything dries you compare each strip to the cleanest, least sun damaged, area on the car to see which is closest (atleast this is what I'm told many body shops do). After searching, I've found its difficult to actually find what the manufacturer used so if you find any information on that let me know.

s13dan · 09-23-2008, 11:30 AM

You cant expect it to match perefctly. ****THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT MATCH PERIOD.**** you have to blend to make it not noticable.But the pic does look good. If you have doubts it is always a good idea to make a test panel....And as for colored primers, there are scales that paint companies make that help determine what the final product will look like using different primers.You would be surprised at what some coloerd primers will do to the color of the topcoat. It dosnt always make since.

*burnsauto* · 09-23-2008, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s14unimog

Actually not true. As for primer colors there are MANY and you'll notice you never see true "black". If you are repainting the car and wish to get as close to factory as possible then you need to go get these primer shade strips (best I can describe them) from your paint supplier. Apparently you get a bunch of shades of primer colored paper and the idea is to paint all of them as you would a body panel. Once everything dries you compare each strip to the cleanest, least sun damaged, area on the car to see which is closest (atleast this is what I'm told many body shops do). After searching, I've found its difficult to actually find what the manufacturer used so if you find any information on that let me know.

i was just giving a basic idea, thats all. I didn't mean a true "black", but grey can get pretty dark. Each color primer has a pretty large spectrum as you said, but I just wanted to give him a general idea. We could have an entire forum just devoted to bodywork.

s14unimog · 09-23-2008, 11:46 AM

yeah yeah no worries, I have just been swamped with the technical side of painting for the last few weeks and I was just clearing up some of what you said.

no harm no foul.

Addicted2Kouki · 09-23-2008, 01:00 PM

haha I told you it was primer color.

EDIT:
From the original thread...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Addicted2Kouki

true.

another issue could be the color of the primer underneath.
if they werent the same.... they might not match.

s14unimog · 09-23-2008, 01:34 PM

^ haha, good closure huh.

Addicted2Kouki · 09-23-2008, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s14unimog

^ haha, good closure huh.

haha very.
ask me how I knew.

s14unimog · 09-23-2008, 01:56 PM

do it right or do it twice?

allntrlundrgrnd · 09-23-2008, 02:11 PM

i dont usually dig blue s-chassis but that is a very nice looking color.

s14unimog · 09-24-2008, 08:47 AM

^thanks

msglngth

09-23-2008, 07:25 AM	#1
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Painting Woe's Revisited (PICS) Not sure how many people on here follow other peoples work, but I needed closure on my little painting fuk up; so here is the conclusion. As you may or may not know I started a thread a little while back about my fender and bumper repair. If you missed out, here is the old thread. As you'll notice, I didn't exactly get the color match right, and with my limited painting experience, I was left scratching my head and looking for reasons. Well, this is where the saying "Do it right or do it twice" really comes into play. I pulled the parts this weekend, ruffed them up, and started over. What I did different this time, was apply a dark gray primer before the base coat. Apparently "BP3" my stock color (Mediterranean Blue Mica) is fairly translucent so the color below it effects the way the final color actually looks. Plus I found out a nifty trick for spraying metal flake. Apparently you use high pressure on your last pass and distance yourself from the panel a bit to make the metal flake "stand up". Either way, I'm done now and it looks MUCH MUCH better. On with the pictures: Before (notice the color difference on the fender)* parts off after wet sanding Lunch break My little sister rear ended a pickup in her s14 and is getting my stock bumper/lip/hood/and wing Pops takin his turn with the gun, photo opp! I meant to take more pictures during the color and clear but....forgot. Done! Final Product (keep in mind the car is filthy) __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

09-23-2008, 07:30 AM	#2
emersonLP Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Georgia Age: 36 Posts: 524 Trader Rating: (6) Rides Gallery: emersonLP Feedback Score: 6 reviews	My parts look real nice on your car take good care of them! German headlights coming soon?.... __________________ Me- "what the f*ck did we do to my boost controller" Brandon-"I dunno?"

09-23-2008, 07:39 AM	#4
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	It's a PPG, catalyzed, production clear. PPG's Catalog Page __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

09-23-2008, 07:41 AM	#5
burnsauto Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 717, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,153 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: burnsauto Feedback Score: 5 reviews	so did you ever figure out the problem from the last time ? __________________

09-23-2008, 07:43 AM	#6
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Yeah, it was the white base color below. __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

09-23-2008, 07:35 AM	#3
FRoSt415 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: san francisco Age: 34 Posts: 305 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	GReat job, looks much better. what kind of clear did you use?

09-23-2008, 07:44 AM	#7
ZenkiKid Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Nowhere Age: 31 Posts: 3,248 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	yeah he said he used a darker primer and on his last run around with a gun used high pressure and distanced himself from the panel

09-23-2008, 07:52 AM	#8
yota man Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Columbia/Florence, Sc Age: 31 Posts: 476 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks good man!

09-23-2008, 09:09 AM	#9
lifewater Leaky Injector Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Age: 37 Posts: 108 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Is that the same primer that Nissan uses from the factory? I'm gonna be repainting my gold Zenki soon and I want to make sure I have the right primer :P

09-23-2008, 09:42 AM	#12
Om1kron Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Simi Valley, CA Age: 40 Posts: 6,879 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	I know I will be using a dark primer for my graphite gray mica paint job. __________________ Wayne

09-23-2008, 11:30 AM	#15
s13dan Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Springfield, Mo Posts: 1,519 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	You cant expect it to match perefctly. **THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT MATCH PERIOD.** you have to blend to make it not noticable.But the pic does look good. If you have doubts it is always a good idea to make a test panel....And as for colored primers, there are scales that paint companies make that help determine what the final product will look like using different primers.You would be surprised at what some coloerd primers will do to the color of the topcoat. It dosnt always make since. __________________ 89 240sx hatch #933-the hot rod 91 240sx coupe #131,603-the daily

09-23-2008, 11:46 AM	#17
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	yeah yeah no worries, I have just been swamped with the technical side of painting for the last few weeks and I was just clearing up some of what you said. no harm no foul. __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

09-23-2008, 01:34 PM	#19
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	^ haha, good closure huh. __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

09-23-2008, 01:56 PM	#21
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	do it right or do it twice? __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

09-23-2008, 02:11 PM	#22
allntrlundrgrnd Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Astoria, OR Posts: 2,460 Trader Rating: (17) Rides Gallery: allntrlundrgrnd Feedback Score: 17 reviews	i dont usually dig blue s-chassis but that is a very nice looking color. __________________ Kouki for sale!!

09-24-2008, 08:47 AM	#23
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	^thanks msglngth __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

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