RJF

It's not the Tea Party's fault, it's the Democrats and the Asshat in the White House that won't reduce spending. Tea Party wanted a $4Trillion cut that would have averted the downgrade.

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Corbic

When did, its called "Neo Slavery"... see you just go to countries where you pay workers nothing and force them to work 60-70 hours a week living in barracks to make your products which you then put into mega chains stores. Oh the wonders of Walmart.

‪China "automated" stamping plant chinese factory‬‏ - YouTube

Why the fuck is it acceptable to sell products made in the fashion in America? If that plant was in the US there would be trials and lawsuits up the ass for paying those guys $5 a day to sit in a progressive die working 10-12 days, 6-7 days a week, no over time, no benefits. Shit, its not here, so who care.

In 100 years people will look back at outsourced labor in the same way we look at Slavery from the 19th Century.

RJF

Who controlled Congress from 2006 to 2011?

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Corbic

Yes cause the Tea Party was in control of Congress for the last 4 years and the Presidency for the 3. Not to mention the Treasury.

ineedone

A lot of the military does not own property, they rent it from the government... do they get to vote? Do they contribute? A vested interest? How about being a citizen of the country is the only "vested" interest that is required. If you have a job you are paying taxes... if you buy goods you are paying taxes... If you interact with the economy in any way, you are paying taxes...

It is also easy to make stupid arguments.... The middle class is being consumed by the top 1% (ish). The gap between the middle working class and the upper class has astronomically increased, so the upper class is definitely not collapsing.

Government will never be perfect, will never be 100% efficient but the idea is to make government work better not to completely get rid of it. Oh, and last time I checked tax rates under Clinton did not ruin the economy, tax rates under Regan did not ruin the economy. I hope the Kool-aid over there on drudge or whatever right wing propagandist website you get your info from is not to strong.

ineedone

Heritage, where the truth is well... out there?

RJF

Nice that you just make up lies.

The Democrats have controlled Congress since 2006 and the Republicans only took control of the House in January of this year.

Meanwhile, the DEMOCRAT Controlled Senate has not passed or even submitted a budget for over 820 days.

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Gnnr

I think you missed the sarcasm RJF...

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ineedone

No... the downgrade was coming no matter what from S&P. What would have worked was a clean bill months ago... But Barry apparently is a Jedi who has to have made some sort of political calculation on letting the Republicans and Tea Party look like complete fools.

Just cuts would kill the already lagging economy, EVERY real economist has said that (on both sides). The gang of six deal that had 3 trillion in cuts and 1 trillion in revenue would have been a good step.

The Tea-Party wanted default, which would have be swell...

RJF

Yeah, cuts would have killed the economy even more. 9.2% unemployment, 0.4% GDP growth this past quarter.

That's a roaring economy!

Go read some history and see what economic policies Ronald Reagan enacted when he took office in 1981 and how quickly that economy started recovering. Obama has done the complete opposite and unemployment has never been this high this long and he has enacted policies and regulations that are crippling business, such as the oil drilling moratorium, to name just one.

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ineedone

I said lagging but hey, who really reads anymore? I am going to just go ahead and assume you are note that caught up with what the economist have said. Do some research. Krugman to Will to whoever else you need. Seriously, all of them said 4 trillion in just cuts would have been... well... plain stupid. You will find that same sentiment from Bloomberg to NYT to the WSJ.

PolitiFact | Barack Obama says taxes are lower today than under Reagan, Eisenhower

That has to hurt... Reagan helped the economy by increasing defense spending by extraordinary levels, which led to more jobs around the board (mainly in manufacturing). We could argue that he was reaping the benefits of the policies that were in place before hand (and an overall improving economy within the region) but I would think his major government stimulus into defense and other parts of industry were the major factors. How about you go re-read history... not from Fox though... and have fun learning your hero Reagan was more a progressive/liberal than Obama... seriously it will burn, but just at first. It gets easier with time. Tootles!

Bushido

For seven of Reagan’s eight years in office, the top tax rate was higher than the current 35 percent. In six of those years, it was 50 percent or more. And every year that Regan was in office, the bottom tax bracket was higher than the current ten percent. For a family of four, the “average income tax rate under Reagan in 1983 was 11.06 percent. Under Clinton in 1992, it was 9.18 percent. And under Obama in 2010, it was 4.68 percent.” During Reagan’s time, income tax revenue ranged from 7.8 to 9.4 percent of GDP. Last year, it was 6.2 percent and is not projected to climb back to 9 percent until 2016. In fact, in 2009, Americans paid their lowest taxes in 60 years.
Republicans are very fond of saying that the U.S. has “a spending problem, not a revenue problem.” But the truth is that revenue has plunged due to the recession and to continued misguided tax cuts, and revenue needs to be raised to eventually bring the budget into balance. And Reagan knew that taxes were an important part of the budget equation. After all, he “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years.

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Toi

Stop outsourcing, stop buying substandard death trap stuff from China, let the rest of the world solve their own problems.

I know this wouldn't solve much but it is a step in the right direction!

dudermagee

Yeah and alot of that was at the expense of social security and medicare.
No thanks I paid into that, I want it. In the end they did about 2 trillion in tax cuts, at least they were willing to negotiate. However the GOP refused to even look at getting rid of the Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy.


Sorry but the tax cuts need to go away for EVERYONE, its actually backfiring.
I can afford to give mine up, I'm sure the wealthy can as well.

This trickle down economic BS is not working.

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enkei2k

This whole shit has been orchestrated by the Illuminatiand the New World Order. They knew that downgrading the US would have negative impact on EVERYTHING (including psychologically), but they did it anyway just to screw with us. It's all a conspiracy theory!!!!!!

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bb4_96

It would solve much more than not much

40daws

This sums up most of what I would say to those that say the Replublicans are the Uncanny X-men and the Democrats are the Morlocks.

Link: Bill Maher: New Rule: Americans Must Realize What Makes NFL Football So Great: Socialism

New Rule: With the Super Bowl only a week away, Americans must realize what makes NFL football so great: socialism. That's right, for all the F-15 flyovers and flag waving, football is our most successful sport because the NFL takes money from the rich teams and gives it to the poor teams... just like President Obama wants to do with his secret army of ACORN volunteers. Green Bay, Wisconsin has a population of 100,000. Yet this sleepy little town on the banks of the Fuck-if-I-know River has just as much of a chance of making it to the Super Bowl as the New York Jets - who next year need to just shut the hell up and play.

Now, me personally, I haven't watched a Super Bowl since 2004, when Janet Jackson's nipple popped out during half time, and that split-second glimpse of an unrestrained black titty burned my eyes and offended me as a Christian. But I get it - who doesn't love the spectacle of juiced-up millionaires giving each other brain damage on a giant flat-screen TV with a picture so realistic it feels like Ben Roethlisberger is in your living room, grabbing your sister?

It's no surprise that some 100 million Americans will watch the Super Bowl next week - that's 40 million more than go to church on Christmas - suck on that, Jesus! It's also 85 million more than watched the last game of the World Series, and in that is an economic lesson for America. Because football is built on an economic model of fairness and opportunity, and baseball is built on a model where the rich almost always win and the poor usually have no chance. The World Series is like Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. You have to be a rich bitch just to play. The Super Bowl is like Tila Tequila. Anyone can get in.

Or to put it another way, football is more like the Democratic philosophy. Democrats don't want to eliminate capitalism or competition, but they'd like it if some kids didn't have to go to a crummy school in a rotten neighborhood while others get to go to a great school and their Dad gets them into Harvard. Because when that happens "achieving the American dream" is easy for some, and just a fantasy for others.

That's why the NFL runs itself in a way that would fit nicely on Glenn Beck's chalkboard - they literally share the wealth, through salary caps and revenue sharing - TV is their biggest source of revenue, and they put all of it in a big commie pot and split it 32 ways. Because they don't want anyone to fall too far behind. That's why the team that wins the Super Bowl picks last in the next draft. Or what the Republicans would call "punishing success."

Baseball, on the other hand, is exactly like the Republicans, and I don't just mean it's incredibly boring. I mean their economic theory is every man for himself. The small market Pittsburgh Steelers go to the Super Bowl more than anybody - but the Pittsburgh Pirates? Levi Johnston has sperm that will not grow up and live long enough to see the Pirates in a World Series. Their payroll is about $40 million, and the Yankees is $206 million. They have about as much chance at getting in the playoffs as a poor black teenager from Newark has of becoming the CEO of Halliburton. That's why people stop going to Pirate games in May, because if you're not in the game, you become indifferent to the fate of the game, and maybe even get bitter - that's what's happening to the middle class in America. It's also how Marie Antoinette lost her head.

So, you kind of have to laugh - the same angry white males who hate Obama because he's "redistributing wealth" just love football, a sport that succeeds economically because it does exactly that. To them, the NFL is as American as hot dogs, Chevrolet, apple pie, and a second, giant helping of apple pie. But then again, they think they're macho because their sport is football, when honestly - is there anything gayer than wearing another man's shirt?

Corbic

Although the fact the article was posted on the huffington post should be more than enough evidence that it's a load of shit... He closing statement just highlights his level of integrity, intelligence and honesty..

S&P announced it was the inability to work together that caused the downgrade. Nothing like the race card and name calling to bring people together and agree on an idea.


Since Left/Dems love to call Right/Rep "Angry Rich White Men"... can the right now call the left just a bunch of "whinny uneducated coloreds?"

Gnnr

The man who caught S&P's $2 trillion error - Yahoo! News

S&P is now a corrupt Republican puppet...

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Corbic

Only if Obama is a corrupt Chinese Puppet.

Gnnr

Sure. I think both sides are full of shit. I'm Independent. I have no loyalty to any political party, only to this country.

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bb4_96

The only reason this thread will reach 10,928 pages is because there are just as many people who feel one way as there are people who feel the other. I side with both parties on the debt debate. Dems want too much aid and GOP wants to hang hobos out to dry. Never going to find a happy medium with extremist left and right.

RJF

YouTube - Timeline shows Bush, McCain warning Dems of financial and housing crisis; meltdown

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bb4_96

^and their legislation to prevent the fallout was....

HYPNOTIK

I'm in the Air Force and have been overseas for the last 4 years and will be for another 3 1/2. I don't own any property...

I understand what you're saying about everyone being equally educated, blah, blah. But, is something as minuscule as owning a patch of dirt the benchmark for being "educated" and able to make intelligent decisions concerning who/how our country is governed?

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bb4_96

+1 Everyone should vote. The purpose of representatives are to be the buffer anyway.

ineedone

I thought he was a Kenyan Alien Moooslim

I am not sure if you know how this democracy of ours works, but the President does not make laws (or the budget for that matter). That is the congress's job, and yes they are corrupt puppets, but not to the Chinese... only to big business and corporate interest.

Karlitos

Fox, the typical republican television program. I'm over this stupid choose your party thing, people need to stop being greedy f*ckers and come together for our dying economy. So many people on both parties seemed to have failed Econ 101. More spending boosts economy. More taxes, boost economy. America charges chump change for personal taxes yet is asking for all the corporations to leave. I hate citing wiki but File:Income Taxes By Country.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I'd rather pay taxes than pay for healthcare, education, police, etc., all individually. Collect taxes and that way I don't have to worry about crap, government just redistributes.

And what's with all this gov' regulation on EVERYTHING? Aren't we supposed to be free? Gov' needs to get out of the economic sector and need to privatize as much as possible. Why isn't weed legalized yet? I mean we would save how much money from people in jails? We could collect how much tax percentage? If only the gov' would just stop being such a babysitter and stop treating us like we don't know jacksh*t we would be in a much better place.

Like stated above, this discussion will never end because current politics are way to extremist. We no longer have what made America strong. A middle(of everything, class, politics, etc). The economic gaps are at some of the highest they've been. And its not for the better, the middle is declining and that hurts. We no longer have people that can agree, everything has become to left wing or to right wing to agree on. No more bi-partisan, no more middle class, and a dying sense of unity.

Then again I'm only 18 and getting brainwashed by the public education system (which is a joke) so what do I know?

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word sux

eh its been far to long since the last world war


LETS GIT IT ON!

word sux

the fact that any of you still try and say this is a demicrats, republicans issue. your ignorance astounds me. Demicans, republicrats who gives a shit. they are two sides of the same coin. washington is like a big soap opera that they put on for us peasents, to keep us quiet and thinking that our "voice" is till heard.