5pecialist

The God Delusion. Kinda funny that you reference that book but don't believe the bible book...

ineedone

You are not getting the joke...

pacotaco345

As for age, I'm pretty sure theres a ton of 16 year olds just on this forum that know 10X more about cars than most people in their 80's, It just shows that knowledge comes from what you expose yourself to, not age.

Find me one real piece of evidence on how life, or everything in general all started. And dont say the big bang cuz I can stare in front of me for 500 billion years and the air in front of me isn't gonna explode.

ineedone

Have fun drinking the kool-aid!

I would try and explain how bad your arguments are, but... I just feel like making a 16 year old child cry is not the way to end my Monday. Either way, good luck with whatever path in life you choose and hopefully in the end you are happy.

rokmplutonium

You can't compare an infinite to a finite.
A burrito can only get so hot because heat has a finite end to how hot it can get.

Besides, I bet GOD could just use his levitation ability.

aa87

creationism is not science.

that is all.

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VNG704

Pain and suffering is your proof. We are sinners so we suffer. It's supposed to bring you closer to God. Anyway we have this thing called will power. And because to every action there is a reaction, how can we blame God for our suffering when we did it to ourselves?

VNG704

it's what some people think is true.... um, kinda like the "theory" of evolution.

5pecialist

Lucky for us! Science is a man made thing, and as such is flawed to the core. Science is always disproving itself.

ineedone

I have no flippin idea what you are trying to say! Seeing as you are from Wisconsin, I am going to blame this on the fried mayonnaise balls that you most likely eat on a daily basis.

ineedone

Using your logic: The Bible was written by man, therefore it is flawed, and as anyone who has study the history of "The Bible" knows, it also disproves itself. I still wonder why they forgot to add that whole time of little Jesus acting like a kid and all in the Bible... any ideas? Oh yeah, Giant man-eating whales are way more important... and infinitely large boats. Yup... makes perfect sense.

aa87

Theres a difference in what is thinking as far as faith-based thinking and what can be proven with equations and results.

I don't rely too heavily on the "theory" of gravity as well, you never know when jesus wants to just take it away. Considering in the science community, theory can almost be considered fact since it has proven itself over and over again, yet remains theory to allow for continued searches into it.

The atomic "theory" is also questionable, since it cant be true with everything made of clay and dirt, not these particles called atoms.

Theres plenty of "theory" in science, but its not theory where you can just make something up and its in theory. Theory is developed after scrutinized testing, and has progressive results. Saying something happened "Because God did it" is simply not science.

If people think creationism is true, then let it be, but that is only reserved for Sundays and not our schools. Otherwise I want to hear about the Flying Spaghetti Monster touching favorable with his noodly appendage.

Science disproves itself often, exceptions are often found, new things are discovered, that is the core of science, unfortunately many don't grasp.

I also want a good, scholarly, peer-reviewed guide on science disproving itself.

But how is science disproving itself in the sense of your argument. The flaws within the creationist theory far outnumber the flaws within any scientific "theory." If you take in literal interpretation of the bible, you might as well go collect phillistine foreskins and drop the whole forum thing, it is the word of God.



Also consider this, since you are on an automobile forum. Do you think without science we would be where we are today? Fuck no. Would you be enjoying your s13 or whatever you drive? Probably not because non-scientists would be kicking dirt like they are now waiting for the apocalypse.

Scientific principles have advanced humanity. Religion pushes them backwards.

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bshotts

What I think is most interesting about a thread like this is just how many of these types of debates/arguments/disagreements there are day in and day out in all sorts of social circles. It seems as if most people are committed to their beliefs usually with some supporting evidence and thus are not willing to consider an opposing viewpoint. This is why this type of discussion goes on with no end.

None of us have concrete physical evidence of how everything came into existence, but only theories of what happened in the past based on what we observe in the present. Some would consider that the scientific method; forming a theory or hypothesis, testing, then looking at the results for repeatability and confirmation of that theory.

What most have mentioned about science in general is that over time, theories have evolved to either build upon the original idea or be completely reformed based on data from experiments or general discoveries. I think most of us who believe God is real and was the original creator will claim that God's written word, the Bible, is an unchanging collection of historical events and generally an instruction manual/commentary for daily living and that scientific theory is an evolving theory due to continuous scientific advancements. This makes it difficult to commit to as a belief system when it changes over time.

I do realize that certain individuals in the past who have had their own interests in mind have had small influences on what material is included or different interpretations of the Bible, however any uncertainty in interpretations can be solved knowing the context in which something was written and the content it contains, i.e. what was written in the original language of either Hebrew or Greek. You almost have to admit how amazing of a document The Bible is, even if you don't beleive a single word it contains. I encourage believers and non-believers alike to read any number of impartial studies that exist that analyze the Bible. I've recently been studying the argument for Creation from a cellular level looking at proteins/amino acids, DNA, RNA, how they all interact, how many times and at what speeds they perform their functions, all happening millions of times per second in millions of cells in just one simpe organ. This would be considered the argument of complexity. I again encourage anyone interested in this stuff to pick up a book; chemistry book, lectures by people in the field, references to the Bible. This stuff does overlap between the two believe it or not.

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5pecialist

Hello - the countless "peer reviewed" studies that contradict each other.

Peer reviewing is a joke in itself... higher learning prides itself on the gang mentality. "I must be right because look at all the homiez that vouch for me". So basically the herd mentality rules the religion of science. Kinda funny how the credibility of these peers never seems to diminish when the studies they vouched for become disproved.

Not to mention that in the end, scientists can only discover what God has created.

rc1honda

This is way off topic but I agree the bible itself is a amazing document. Studies such as the bible code where ELE (equal letter distancing) have shown to predict past historical events, such as The battle of the Bulge and the first nuclear chain reaction and the Kennedy assassination, use science to piq curiosty into the supernatural.

However there is a problem as hind sight is always 20:20. U cannot search for any evet that has not happened yet. Becuase you wouldn't know what to look for. And if you search for any one event i.e. 2012 doomsday who's to say the hits you get are relevant to any occurence that will happen in 2012. Prophecy is often self fullfilling.

Back to the major debate, Religion and science will never meet in the middle. All forms of debate on this matter is masterbation without the climax.

Did Noah build a ark and fill it with animals right before a flood? Sure anything is possible. Was dinosaurs still roaming the Earth at that time. Well knowing what we know maybe, it's possible.

Did God tell him to do it? Who knows.

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5pecialist

Sadly I agree. I was hoping this wasn't a debate, but looks like it is just another lost cause. Can't say I didn't try.

In the meantime, here are some science findings that disprove other science findings... Triceratops didn't exsit? http://www.onenewspage.com/news/Fron...er-Existed.htm Science FAIL LOL!!!

What's next - science finds Pluto isn't really a planet? Oh wait...

ineedone

Uhh... just because they put the bones together wrong does not mean that it did not exist. It is like saying the puzzle does not exist because you lost a piece of it. Also, Pluto still exist, it is not classified as a planet, but the big ass rock is still floating in space right?

God and Science can exist together, my argument, which seems to escape all of you, is that Religion and Science can not exist together. Again, if your God does exist, why did he create AIDS? Cancer? SIDS? why did he let a school get shot up? if he really exist why not put out a podcast? shoot even these retarded lame scientist can do that...

If your so excited about God and being with him in heaven, we do have over crowding problems, I mean, you could always just go meet him now. Really, if he is so great, why wait?

ineedone

Win

5pecialist

Religion and science are existing together right now. Why would you claim otherwise? It's just when science attempts to overtake religion that science fails. Science only shows us what God created. Science cannot create.

As for your other questions, are these just more justifications for your viewpoint - or would you actually like answers? I don't want to waste my time typing if you don't actually want to read it.

vas570sx

I wanna read your answers... does that count?

aa87

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ineedone

^ ZOMGBBQ!!!! and I will be forwarding that to my entire email list... you never know man!


and your proof God created anything? (blind faith is not a valid argument fried mayo).

Science can not create? um, yes... yes it can. Remember Dolly the lama(sheep* thanks icecreamdan!) (hint: created).

If your answers have something to do with historical/scientific/real proof then sure I would love to hear them, but if your going to go on a rant about how "God told me so!" then do not waste your time.

Religion and Science do not exist together, religion is for zealots who want to control the weak. Arguably, Science can be considered the same (except you can re-produce science, you can not re-produce faith) God (or a higher being/deity) and science may very well exist, however, without any sign or real proof (like a Made in Heaven sticker) you can only speculate and pontificate.

theicecreamdan

Dolly was a sheep.

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Damnit.... owned

VNG704

You can't make a non-believer believe by simply telling them. Because they want proof and since believing is based on faith, it's impossible. So the argument is never ending.

Non-believers think life came from out of nowhere, BANG! and there we are. Believers think life came from God. Both outrages *shrugs*.

ineedone, I've lived here <5 yrs. I'm not from here but I do live here. I've never ate fried mayo. Good one on the personal attack. I just gave you proof but I can give you another and you still won't believe anything I, or anyone supporting religion, say. So why ask?

ineedone

Fried mayo is a Daniel Tosh joke... and it encompasses the entire middle of the US. It is not a personal attack per se, rather a regional attack. We all know that the middle of the country is where people go once they have given up on their dreams/lives. I am assuming since you fit into a 240, you most likely do not eat fried mayo.

Non-believers have many different beliefs on how it all started. Big Bang is just one theory, and correct me if I am wrong, is it not the Hadron Collider which is attempting to reproduce this? I have no idea where we came from, we probably all started evolving from micro organisms that started to join and mutate. Who knows...

Blind faith is no way to change anyone's mind. All it would take is to find one piece of evidence, to find Noah's Ark, for God to send us all a "Get well soon!" card.

VNG704

See, the thing with proving it to you is not I, nor anyone, can do that. If you understood the teachings, Bible, blah blah, then you'd know what I mean. God will never send you a card(I know that was a joke). He may have someone you feel special in your life send you one. The ark could be found and it wouldn't make you believe. Have you heard the saying "God works in mysterious ways?" You'd have to experience it. But, you'd call it coincidence.

Proof:




And you say there is no God

aa87

Evolution of sex - increased variation in the population due to exchangability of genetic material - potential to make offspring more viable in a changing environment.

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5pecialist

My bad. You have all the answers already