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allntrlundrgrnd · 05-22-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spooled240

it's not the only way but it's a good thing to do if you don't know wtf you want to do after HS.

my advice is go to a community college and knock out that general ed, I paid about 270 a semester plus 300 for books, I was living at home and it all 90 units transferred to 60 quarter units at a CSU SAME SHIT

I totally agree with you about attending community college before applying to college/universities but it's not very reasonable to say go to college right after hs when you have no idea what you want to do with your life. I've attended both and regret not finishing an associates program at CC.

Another option I don't think has been mentioned is joining the military. Google post 911 g.i. bill. Its worth ALOT. I also regret not joining before I went to school and wasted time and money.

ronmcdon · 05-22-2011, 07:37 PM

I would not lose any sleep over it.
A.A. degree is pretty much worthless in terms of practical value.
I've never seen any job ad that asks for it.

lol, even my B.A. in psychology from uc san diego is worthless and that's why im doing a master's program now.

dat411kid · 05-22-2011, 07:43 PM

its not what it used to be i agree.

allntrlundrgrnd · 05-22-2011, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

I would not lose any sleep over it.
A.A. degree is pretty much worthless in terms of practical value.
I've never seen any job ad that asks for it.

lol, even my B.A. in psychology from uc san diego is worthless and that's why im doing a master's program now.

It will save you a ton of money going to CC first and transferring. I wasn't suggesting only getting an associates.

future · 05-22-2011, 08:30 PM

A lot of valid points, but I can say its the biggest waqy to take your money. And one place thoes does it well. UTI. I'm dropping out because its so much of a joke and all they want is your money, not to help you

97nismo · 05-22-2011, 08:41 PM

After its said and done................... I will have 200k+ in education alone

*sigh*

zeitgeist · 05-23-2011, 08:20 AM

The first couple years of college seemed worthless. Just a rehash of high school

When I finally started getting into classes that applied to my major, then I started getting my moneys worth.

My primary concern with our education is that everything is just a corporation now and it seems like there isnt emphasis in actual learning, but just getting the grade.

Alot of the material has to be watered down just so those whom dont put hard work in can pass. A bachelors seemed a little to easy

theicecreamdan · 05-26-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by zeitgeist

My primary concern with our education is that everything is just a corporation now and it seems like there isnt emphasis in actual learning, but just getting the grade.

Anybody walking out of a college with just the grade deserves what they paid for. Its up to the student to take anything more away from the program.

I think a big problem is the pressure kids feel to get into a college right after high school. Without any experience leading them to something they actually care about learning.

iwishiwas-all* · 05-26-2011, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by s0apgun

just finished watching

EXCELLENT video

agree 100% with everything and its the same shit i've been thinking about over and over in my head while attending college

max finish ur degree get into to oil industry and make bank like me.

lflkajfj12123 · 05-26-2011, 05:48 PM

don't want nsx

iwishiwas-all* · 05-26-2011, 05:51 PM

moreover, I went to college, for engineering, came out, got a job in the auto industry and I am learning everything I ever wanted to know about my favorite thing- cars.

College is just a tool, you have to be a competent fuck if you want to get a job after college. Ask the unemployed classmates who had better GPA's then me.

If you think doing UTI or whatever a car company is gonna hire you and you are gonna make crazy money you are touching yourself.

Fine, I got college loans, about 38k when I graduated. I went to a private school, I am paying it off and I live like a king on my salary.

You have to pay for it but it is worth it- If you are trying to do something in life.

JVD · 06-10-2011, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by theicecreamdan

I think a big problem is the pressure kids feel to get into a college right after high school. Without any experience leading them to something they actually care about learning.

Couldn't agree more.

Post secondary education has turned into something kids "must" do. I felt so much pressure from my parents/teachers/peers to enroll somewhere straight out of high school. I couldn't find a program I was super interested in so I took some time off. Worked a few jobs. I don't think I was mature enough to be in school. It would have been a waste of time/money because I would have been going just to appease everyone else.

I later attended college for a year. I learned a bit but didn't really feel it's what I wanted to do. Got a job offer from family before my second year.

I'm currently doing that and absolutely love my job. At some point I might be interested in going back to school. Not to get a piece of paper or a grade... but to learn something I'm interested in.

Mikey213 · 06-10-2011, 10:26 PM

I started out as a dishwasher now I got my own... :P

codyace · 06-10-2011, 10:31 PM

to me experience is earned, not gained

theicecreamdan · 06-11-2011, 03:20 PM

what does that even mean?

ronmcdon · 06-11-2011, 03:38 PM

think he meant to say respect is earned, not gained.
can't make any sense out of it otherwise.

Mikey213 · 06-11-2011, 03:40 PM

Ahahah homegirl of mine just grad UCLA today. We're gonna fucken party hard, then next month she's gonna pick me up in her brand new M3 with JPL liscense plate holders. So I guess it goes... If you know why you're doing, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

Nick_04K · 06-11-2011, 04:18 PM

^ You sound like an idiot? Yes, true.

What exactly did "homegirl" attend UCLA for? And what is this awesome job that her awesome new degree got her..which enabled her to have an awesome new M3 "with JPL license (Yes, that is how you correctly spell it you fucking retard) plate holders."

ronmcdon · 06-11-2011, 05:28 PM

'JPL license plate holders' is what's important. They're a true status symbol.

codyace · 06-11-2011, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theicecreamdan

what does that even mean?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

think he meant to say respect is earned, not gained.
can't make any sense out of it otherwise.

I mean, you don't have experience until you actually do something. You build something, you've got experience. You can't 'gain' experience by reading.

So with that said, I believe way to many people credit their college as 'experience' when the reality is they have nothing to show for their ability other than debt and book reciepts.

I'm not saying college is a waste(hell I have a degree), I just believe that way to many are under the assumption that it automatically makes them the subject matter expert on something.

ronmcdon · 06-11-2011, 06:10 PM

I would probably just differentiate between academic and work experience.
Many formal education degrees do require some level of work experience before you graduate.
Experience is just experience, the way I see it.
Not really sure it's fair to say academic experience isn't earned.
I don't think it's any easier per say, or really even comparable.

The M.A. degree in psychology I'm working for requires a minimal 300 hrs.
Being licensed as an MFT in CA requires 3,000.

ESmorz · 06-11-2011, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikey213

I started out as a dishwasher now I got my own... :P

You have your own dish?

240sx Project · 06-11-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 240o'clock

College is for tards

Just own a strip club youll be wielthy and have the bitches

It's spelled "wealthy". It is evident that you did NOT take a serious approach to school. Maybe you were looking at the "dumb bitches" hoping to employ them in your future "strip club"! haha!

SK91 · 06-11-2011, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey213

I started out as a dishwasher now I got my own... :P

i want my own dish too, got any tips for me?

yokotas13 · 06-12-2011, 01:09 AM

I hated school. Wasn't a challenge. Never went to college at all. But I'm still making a very comfortable living off what the USAF taught me with jet engines

There are many ways to skin a cat, as long as the skin gets off, don't care how you do it!

Matej · 06-12-2011, 02:50 AM

Everyone who has not figured out for themselves everything stated in that video before even entering college should not be in college anyway.
That being said, I personally will still go to college rather than not go to college.

I also find it humorous how in any thread pertaining to higher education so many people feel the need to validate their choice to not go to college and let it be known to everyone that they do not want a degree. Especially when they give as an example some individual who happened to 'make it,' in which case good luck becoming that 0.01%, because chances are if you are not already, you never will be.

Obviously, college is not for everyone. However, please do not interfere with another individual's choice to pursue higher education/not pursue higher education. That decision is entirely unto oneself.

College works great and exactly as intended for the top 10% of students who actually give it their all and excel, and have employers fighting over them before even graduating. The remaining 90% are just there to pay for the top 10%'s ride, and they are too naive to realize it.

Mikey213 · 06-12-2011, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick_04K

^ You sound like an idiot? Yes, true.

What exactly did "homegirl" attend UCLA for? And what is this awesome job that her awesome new degree got her..which enabled her to have an awesome new M3 "with JPL license (Yes, that is how you correctly spell it you fucking retard) plate holders."

Ahhahaha I didn't know you could hear my drunken keystrokes through the internet. You wanna be grammar nazi, goat eating, dunce cap for a jimmy hat player. She has a topographical engineering position at JPL. I didn't go to a university and I used to live in-between Echo and Mc Arthur park (LA) but I make enough to have property in the Philippines so far.

Mikey213 · 06-12-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by ESmorz

You have your own dish?

No, I have my own built in Samsung in black. Something I always wanted! ;P

Quote:

College works great and exactly as intended for the top 10% of students who actually give it their all and excel, and have employers fighting over them before even graduating. The remaining 90% are just there to pay for the top 10%'s ride, and they are too naive to realize it.

Yup, that's pretty much it.

SK91 · 06-12-2011, 02:01 PM

mikey is mad

ESmorz · 06-12-2011, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey213

No, I have my own built in Samsung in black. Something I always wanted! ;P

Built into your dishes?

Wicked.

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05-22-2011, 08:41 PM	#36
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05-26-2011, 05:51 PM	#41
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05-22-2011, 07:37 PM	#32
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	I would not lose any sleep over it. A.A. degree is pretty much worthless in terms of practical value. I've never seen any job ad that asks for it. lol, even my B.A. in psychology from uc san diego is worthless and that's why im doing a master's program now.

05-22-2011, 08:30 PM	#35
future Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: SoCal 909 Age: 28 Posts: 4,737 Trader Rating: (42) Feedback Score: 42 reviews	A lot of valid points, but I can say its the biggest waqy to take your money. And one place thoes does it well. UTI. I'm dropping out because its so much of a joke and all they want is your money, not to help you

05-23-2011, 08:20 AM	#37
zeitgeist Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cross Country Posts: 494 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	The first couple years of college seemed worthless. Just a rehash of high school When I finally started getting into classes that applied to my major, then I started getting my moneys worth. My primary concern with our education is that everything is just a corporation now and it seems like there isnt emphasis in actual learning, but just getting the grade. Alot of the material has to be watered down just so those whom dont put hard work in can pass. A bachelors seemed a little to easy

05-26-2011, 05:48 PM	#40
lflkajfj12123 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 　　　　　　　　 Posts: 8,480 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	don't want nsx

06-10-2011, 10:26 PM	#43
Mikey213 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Los Angeles Age: 35 Posts: 500 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	I started out as a dishwasher now I got my own... :P

06-11-2011, 03:38 PM	#46
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	think he meant to say respect is earned, not gained. can't make any sense out of it otherwise.

06-11-2011, 03:40 PM	#47
Mikey213 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Los Angeles Age: 35 Posts: 500 Trader Rating: (-1) Feedback Score: -1 reviews	Ahahah homegirl of mine just grad UCLA today. We're gonna fucken party hard, then next month she's gonna pick me up in her brand new M3 with JPL liscense plate holders. So I guess it goes... If you know why you're doing, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

06-11-2011, 04:18 PM	#48
Nick_04K Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Vernal, UT Age: 27 Posts: 467 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ You sound like an idiot? Yes, true. What exactly did "homegirl" attend UCLA for? And what is this awesome job that her awesome new degree got her..which enabled her to have an awesome new M3 "with JPL license (Yes, that is how you correctly spell it you fucking retard) plate holders."

06-11-2011, 05:28 PM	#49
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	'JPL license plate holders' is what's important. They're a true status symbol.

06-11-2011, 06:10 PM	#51
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	I would probably just differentiate between academic and work experience. Many formal education degrees do require some level of work experience before you graduate. Experience is just experience, the way I see it. Not really sure it's fair to say academic experience isn't earned. I don't think it's any easier per say, or really even comparable. The M.A. degree in psychology I'm working for requires a minimal 300 hrs. Being licensed as an MFT in CA requires 3,000.

06-12-2011, 02:50 AM	#56
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Everyone who has not figured out for themselves everything stated in that video before even entering college should not be in college anyway. That being said, I personally will still go to college rather than not go to college. I also find it humorous how in any thread pertaining to higher education so many people feel the need to validate their choice to not go to college and let it be known to everyone that they do not want a degree. Especially when they give as an example some individual who happened to 'make it,' in which case good luck becoming that 0.01%, because chances are if you are not already, you never will be. Obviously, college is not for everyone. However, please do not interfere with another individual's choice to pursue higher education/not pursue higher education. That decision is entirely unto oneself. College works great and exactly as intended for the top 10% of students who actually give it their all and excel, and have employers fighting over them before even graduating. The remaining 90% are just there to pay for the top 10%'s ride, and they are too naive to realize it.

06-12-2011, 02:01 PM	#59
SK91 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Vancouver Age: 30 Posts: 63 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	mikey is mad

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