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jskateborders · 10-17-2007, 09:40 PM

yes I am, unless their version is vastly superior to all the2007 cars with tiptronic that I have experienced. From my experience, Driving in regular drive always shifts better than tiptronic. The european dsg on the other hand, If anyone has experienced those, is a completely different story. Very fast shifts.

BOROSUN · 10-17-2007, 09:43 PM

So called "dual-clutch automatic" transmissions also eliminate the torque converter and replace hydraulic clutches with synchronizers but they go further to provide gear shift quality which is superior to the automated manual transmission and similar to the conventional automatic transmission, which makes them quite attractive. However, most known dual-clutch automatic transmissions include a lay shaft or countershaft gear arrangement, and have not been widely applied in vehicles because of their complexity, size and cost. For example, a dual clutch lay shaft transmission could require eight sets of gears, two input/shift clutches and seven synchronizers/dog clutches to provide six forward speed ratios and a reverse speed ratio. An example of a dual-clutch automatic transmission is described in U.S. Pat. No. 5,385,064, which is hereby incorporated by reference. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/67...scription.html

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-c...ansmission.htm

ixfxi · 10-17-2007, 10:13 PM

And after seeing the navi/main display, it reminds me that SHIT LIKE THAT just shouldnt be in a real sportscar.

A real sportscar needs gauges, real life GAUGES. I am tired of multi-purpose screens. I dont want to look at a screen, I am not sitting at a computer - I am in a car. There's a fucking difference, and the difference should be apparent.

Maybe I just love old cars way too much. The feeling of being inside of a metal chassis with a motor - and thats it. I could give a fuck about power steering, an LCD display. The 240Z had 3 gauges plus the main gauge cluster. It had no PS.

Some will call the features found on newer cars "advancements" - i call them extra weight. Anyway, its obvious that the new R35 is designed for the modern-day executive kid: late 20s but under 50. The person who could buy a G35, but wants something more aggressive..... MINUS the expense of a porsche. I can see the same buyer wanting an Audi R8.

Makes sense....

SimpleSexy180 · 10-17-2007, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixfxi

Maybe I just love old cars way too much. The feeling of being inside of a metal chassis with a motor - and thats it. I could give a fuck about power steering, an LCD display. The 240Z had 3 gauges plus the main gauge cluster. It had no PS.

haha seriously. but hey, with all those fancy gadgets in the cars n shit, i guess you could call it the PUSSIFICATION OF THE WESTERN MALE.

Neejay · 10-17-2007, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixfxi

A real sportscar needs gauges, real life GAUGES. I am tired of multi-purpose screens. I dont want to look at a screen, I am not sitting at a computer - I am in a car. There's a fucking difference, and the difference should be apparent.

I can agree to that...

Gnnr · 10-18-2007, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Fuck that. I refuse to think they are making matching luggage. That's just so they can give you an idea of size.

Yeah I know, haha.

BOROSUN · 10-18-2007, 02:39 AM

damn, these technologies. instead of looking left, right, up, down at my different gauges. they make us look at one monitor, bastards!

0100 · 10-18-2007, 05:50 AM

Wow I have to say these new pictures are starting to make the gtr grow on me, but I still wish they went with the concept front.

These ring times are getting very interesting. Love this shit!

0100 · 10-18-2007, 06:18 AM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*

*exitspeed* · 10-18-2007, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downshift180

haha seriously. but hey, with all those fancy gadgets in the cars n shit, i guess you could call it the PUSSIFICATION OF THE WESTERN MALE.

I'll drive this car all day every day. You and ixfxi can call me a pussy all you want.

Kn1ves · 10-18-2007, 09:32 AM

7:38 not 7:35.

Quote:

The record lap would be set by Nissan's top shoe, Suzuki-san, who ultimately turned in a lap in 7 minutes, 38 seconds on a partially wet circuit.

*exitspeed* · 10-18-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 0100

# 7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2 2008 (Motor Authority, Autobild, driven by Walter Röhrl, complaining after the lap that he had to pass eleven other cars "Ich musste elf Autos ueberholen")
# 7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1380 kg (Gemballa)
# 7:33 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (sport auto 05/06)
# 7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1140 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
# 7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, 626PS/1768 kg Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
# 7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480PS/1565 kg Walter Röhrl
# 7:40 - Bugatti Veyron 16/4, 1001PS/1888 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
# 7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413 PS/1320 kg (160.868 km/h), Lucas Luhr (Autobild 07/04)
# 7.42 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen)[2]

Some lap times from the ring website.

So it looks like(from article) the GTR base will be the same or slightly slower(around the ring) than a Z06 and around the same price.

The evo version will be faster(around the ring) than a 997tt and big money but still much cheaper than a 997tt.

hmm...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kn1ves

7:38 not 7:35.

Either way, with the numbers 0100 provided from The Ring's website, that puts it up there with some amazing cars. Faster then an SLR McLaren but slower then a Koenigsegg CCR. For $80 I don't think there is anything to argue.

0100 · 10-18-2007, 01:01 PM

What is so crazy is the track is almost 13 miles long. 3-5 sec difference is like nothing on such a long course. Such a small difference could be track conditions, driver, traffic, etc. Anything within 5 sec of eachother at the ring I would consider competitive.

If the base gtr is really throwing down 38's and priced the same as a z06 I can tell you right now I may be liquidating my autos.

I know I sound like I am doing a complete 180 from when I was bashing the gtr in the other thread. It's just that I have been very skeptical, critical, and depressed when I heard 3800. I have been watching this car since 2002 waiting to buy this beast. Me in 02. LOL > http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=37430

When you wait for something so long and you expect it to be something and then it's not you freak.

I really, really, REALLY hope the 7:38 is real.

kyoru · 10-18-2007, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jskateborders

473 hp....sweet... automatic. WTF. like people are getting to lazy to drive stick? Most of the fun of having a fast car is pushing in the clutch and down shifting in my opinion. Sure handling and acceleration are cool, but I like to be able to feel my driving, and control every aspect.
I mean they could at least take the dsg out of the newer gti's. If youve ever driven one of those its decent. I doubt that using triptronic or whatever its called will yeild an 11.7. talk about shift lag. I still want a clutch though.

if i'm correct it said the gtr has a dual clutch transmission like the gti, so it should be similar. and not everyone likes manual, last thing i wanna do after a tired night of work is shift gears in traffic. and i gotta agree i love the transmission in the gti.

ONYX S-13 · 10-18-2007, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

It couldn't be done. Your right, the world would be coming to an end shortly after. Like the DAY the GTR's are shipped.

Or all the super/exotic auto manufacturers will rent subs and sink each and every boat coming out of the japanese harbors.. Heh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyoru

last thing i wanna do after a tired night of work is shift gears in traffic.

With that much torque, who's shifting? You can probably start out in 4th with very little problems. Even the review that was posted said the turbo's have much better response then the turbo on the porsche Porsche.

Matej · 10-18-2007, 03:16 PM

Buy a GT-R, throw out the interior, and be the Lord of the Ring!

steve shadows · 10-18-2007, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Faster then an SLR McLaren but slower then a Koenigsegg CCR. For $80 I don't think there is anything to argue.

holy shit 80 bucks? for a gtr? omfg

the world has turned into Zilvia FS section

Kn1ves · 10-18-2007, 05:33 PM

So.. uhm.. Safe to say it doesn't have HICAS? I haven't seen it mentioned once.

SimpleSexy180 · 10-18-2007, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

I'll drive this car all day every day. You and ixfxi can call me a pussy all you want.

lol! but hey, imagine the POON you could get driving one.

onehundredoctane · 10-18-2007, 05:48 PM

only thing that I've read that I don't like is that the "only transmission avaliable will be an auto"

I know paddle shifting is cool and all, but come one, make it a full manual tans.

if it'll do 0-60 in 3.8 seconds stock, just think about the aftermarket goodies that will make it faster.

(drool just F'd up the keyboard)

pwhitersxs · 10-19-2007, 11:42 AM

It is not really an automatic transmission. It is a dsg style transmission. That is not the same as an regular automatic. Should I repeat this again, just like a few other people have alread stated!?

The reason the manual transmission is not released yet is due to emissions problems. Nissan apparently has one, but will not release it until they can meet standards.

Ninjabread · 10-19-2007, 12:00 PM

I cant wait for Jeremy Clarkson to get his hands on this one... it'll be an interesting week for Top Gear.

*exitspeed* · 10-19-2007, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by downshift180

lol! but hey, imagine the POON you could get driving one.

I could care less about that. That would be the last reason I'd buy a car like that. I'm married though, so it might be different for you single guys.

Seriously though, I wouldn't buy any that performs like that because it would get me attention. I wanna drive the piss outta it.

20 til 3 · 10-19-2007, 12:34 PM

lol

everone hates the tranny setup i guess lol... but i would love it durring DD driving.. or at the drag strip, or on a road race track... sooo much easier

but yeah.. vette people are making fun of it already... for some reason they think the base model is the best(the 480hp) although there is better... comparison

GTR_____Z06(what GM says they run)
11.7_____11.8
3.5______3.8
192______196
57k______65k

we should figure that Nissan is "cutting times" i'm sure someone will run mid 11's factory or better

SimpleS14 · 10-19-2007, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ninjabread

I cant wait for Jeremy Clarkson to get his hands on this one... it'll be an interesting week for Top Gear.

I can't wait for Keiichi Tsuchiya to get his hands on one for Best Motoring.

ixfxi · 10-20-2007, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

I can't wait for Keiichi Tsuchiya to get his hands on one for Best Motoring.

THANK GOD...

someone mentioned a REAL driver, not some fat fucking british sack of shit. I really think Jeremy Clarkson is a tool, and if he ever stumbles upon this thread - I want him to know Mike of ClearCorners.Com is writing this. His reviews are always over-hyped and glamorized: over-edited with unreal music in the background on some damn airbase. Put down the ink pen & stop writing poetry -- put a real driver behind the car and DRIVE the fucking thing.

All I want to say is that Best Motoring videos are REAL car videos designed for the REAL car enthusiast. Although I really like Tiff Needell and thought the show was much more enjoyable, or atleast tolerable when he was on the show. But, no video comes CLOSE to Best Motoring. Tsuchiya FTW.

---

That aside, I stumbled across this image again today.. and cant help but say how much it reminds me of the NA2 NSX.

It reminds me of the NSX, but NOT in a good way. I mean the NSX looks like sex, while the GTR does not. You know how some cars look similar, but one just looks more ugly. Here are a few examples which I am sure you are all familiar with:
Nice: NISSAN S13 240SX
Cheap Replica: Ford Probe

Nice: Aston Martin DB
Cheap Replica: Jaguar XK

Nice: NISSAN Z33 350Z
Cheap Replica: Mitsushitty 4g Eclipse

Nice: NISSAN Z32 300ZX
Cheap Replica: Mitsushitty 3000GT <ie: oversized paperweight>

Anyway, we'll see how the final product looks when its on the streets. At this point, NISSAN keeping costs down makes me lose a bit of my interest. I dont care about performance figures as much as I care about quality. If I cared only about numbers, I'de love cars like the EVO or STI. Cars should look sexy as well as perform, and theres a reason why the 360 Modena or Porsche appeal - its because they LOOK like women, they have curves and as men -- you want to fuck them. (in a driving-sort of way, you sick bastards)

wootwoot · 10-20-2007, 01:35 AM

I wanna know about launch control on this badboy.

Curious to see a z tune type car as well. Anyone have a Nordeschlife time for the r34 z tune?

BOROSUN · 10-20-2007, 03:32 AM

its probably going to be a allstar cast battle at either tsukuba for cornering or fuji for high speed. i would love to see gansan drive the porsche.

Ninjabread · 10-20-2007, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixfxi

someone mentioned a REAL driver, not some fat fucking british sack of shit. I really think Jeremy Clarkson is a tool, and if he ever stumbles upon this thread

Haha, but comon Mike, you have to agree that he's funny.

vanish1 · 10-20-2007, 07:43 AM

yea...the GT-R and NSX look nothing alike, but ok.

10-18-2007, 05:50 AM	#128
0100 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 1,581 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	Wow I have to say these new pictures are starting to make the gtr grow on me, but I still wish they went with the concept front. These ring times are getting very interesting. Love this shit! __________________ TougeHero.com l SilviaV8forums.com Last edited by 0100; 10-18-2007 at 06:29 AM..

10-18-2007, 06:18 AM	#129
0100 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 1,581 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.* __________________ TougeHero.com l SilviaV8forums.com

10-18-2007, 01:01 PM	#133
0100 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New England Posts: 1,581 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	What is so crazy is the track is almost 13 miles long. 3-5 sec difference is like nothing on such a long course. Such a small difference could be track conditions, driver, traffic, etc. Anything within 5 sec of eachother at the ring I would consider competitive. If the base gtr is really throwing down 38's and priced the same as a z06 I can tell you right now I may be liquidating my autos. I know I sound like I am doing a complete 180 from when I was bashing the gtr in the other thread. It's just that I have been very skeptical, critical, and depressed when I heard 3800. I have been watching this car since 2002 waiting to buy this beast. Me in 02. LOL > http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=37430 When you wait for something so long and you expect it to be something and then it's not you freak. I really, really, REALLY hope the 7:38 is real. __________________ TougeHero.com l SilviaV8forums.com

10-18-2007, 05:33 PM	#138
Kn1ves Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ɐɔ 'sǝlǝƃuɐ sol Posts: 1,281 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Kn1ves Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So.. uhm.. Safe to say it doesn't have HICAS? I haven't seen it mentioned once. __________________ there's something here

10-19-2007, 11:42 AM	#141
pwhitersxs Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: pittsburgh Posts: 167 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It is not really an automatic transmission. It is a dsg style transmission. That is not the same as an regular automatic. Should I repeat this again, just like a few other people have alread stated!? The reason the manual transmission is not released yet is due to emissions problems. Nissan apparently has one, but will not release it until they can meet standards. __________________ s13 sr20det

10-17-2007, 09:40 PM	#121
jskateborders Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Age: 32 Posts: 1,258 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	yes I am, unless their version is vastly superior to all the2007 cars with tiptronic that I have experienced. From my experience, Driving in regular drive always shifts better than tiptronic. The european dsg on the other hand, If anyone has experienced those, is a completely different story. Very fast shifts.

10-17-2007, 09:43 PM	#122
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So called "dual-clutch automatic" transmissions also eliminate the torque converter and replace hydraulic clutches with synchronizers but they go further to provide gear shift quality which is superior to the automated manual transmission and similar to the conventional automatic transmission, which makes them quite attractive. However, most known dual-clutch automatic transmissions include a lay shaft or countershaft gear arrangement, and have not been widely applied in vehicles because of their complexity, size and cost. For example, a dual clutch lay shaft transmission could require eight sets of gears, two input/shift clutches and seven synchronizers/dog clutches to provide six forward speed ratios and a reverse speed ratio. An example of a dual-clutch automatic transmission is described in U.S. Pat. No. 5,385,064, which is hereby incorporated by reference. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/67...scription.html http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-c...ansmission.htm

10-17-2007, 10:13 PM	#123
ixfxi Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangin on my chest Account: BANNED #fucksupreme Age: 79 Posts: 5,923 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	And after seeing the navi/main display, it reminds me that SHIT LIKE THAT just shouldnt be in a real sportscar. A real sportscar needs gauges, real life GAUGES. I am tired of multi-purpose screens. I dont want to look at a screen, I am not sitting at a computer - I am in a car. There's a fucking difference, and the difference should be apparent. Maybe I just love old cars way too much. The feeling of being inside of a metal chassis with a motor - and thats it. I could give a fuck about power steering, an LCD display. The 240Z had 3 gauges plus the main gauge cluster. It had no PS. Some will call the features found on newer cars "advancements" - i call them extra weight. Anyway, its obvious that the new R35 is designed for the modern-day executive kid: late 20s but under 50. The person who could buy a G35, but wants something more aggressive..... MINUS the expense of a porsche. I can see the same buyer wanting an Audi R8. Makes sense....

10-18-2007, 02:39 AM	#127
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	damn, these technologies. instead of looking left, right, up, down at my different gauges. they make us look at one monitor, bastards!

10-18-2007, 03:16 PM	#136
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Buy a GT-R, throw out the interior, and be the Lord of the Ring!

10-18-2007, 05:48 PM	#140
onehundredoctane Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Greensborough, NC Posts: 2,783 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	only thing that I've read that I don't like is that the "only transmission avaliable will be an auto" I know paddle shifting is cool and all, but come one, make it a full manual tans. if it'll do 0-60 in 3.8 seconds stock, just think about the aftermarket goodies that will make it faster. (drool just F'd up the keyboard)

10-19-2007, 12:00 PM	#142
Ninjabread Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Age: 32 Posts: 3,492 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Ninjabread Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I cant wait for Jeremy Clarkson to get his hands on this one... it'll be an interesting week for Top Gear. __________________ 613DriftWerks.ca

10-19-2007, 12:34 PM	#144
20 til 3 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sioux falls SD Age: 33 Posts: 661 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	lol everone hates the tranny setup i guess lol... but i would love it durring DD driving.. or at the drag strip, or on a road race track... sooo much easier but yeah.. vette people are making fun of it already... for some reason they think the base model is the best(the 480hp) although there is better... comparison GTR_____Z06(what GM says they run) 11.7_____11.8 3.5______3.8 192______196 57k______65k we should figure that Nissan is "cutting times" i'm sure someone will run mid 11's factory or better

10-20-2007, 01:35 AM	#147
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wanna know about launch control on this badboy. Curious to see a z tune type car as well. Anyone have a Nordeschlife time for the r34 z tune? __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

10-20-2007, 03:32 AM	#148
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	its probably going to be a allstar cast battle at either tsukuba for cornering or fuji for high speed. i would love to see gansan drive the porsche.

10-20-2007, 07:43 AM	#150
vanish1 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 655 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea...the GT-R and NSX look nothing alike, but ok.

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