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Old 08-11-2009, 03:33 PM   #31
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or i could buy an '88 Caddy and $31,000 worth of fuel. hmm.
4000lbs paper weights are pretty cool. lol.
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there is or used to be a charging station at Healthsouth hockey rink(where the kings practice).
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San Diego, and several other areas are building charging stations in the next year for the release of the Nissan leaf. 1,000 leafs are supposed to come to San Diego in a year.
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Old 08-11-2009, 03:43 PM   #34
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San Diego, and several other areas are building charging stations in the next year for the release of the Nissan leaf. 1,000 leafs are supposed to come to San Diego in a year.
Yeah it's being released in like 4 test markets IIRC.
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Yawn.

Where's the hydrogen fuel cell shit that'll make "electric" cars a joke?
Hydrogen has huge hurdles still to overcome. How do you generate the hydrogen? If it's through electricity, it will take more electricity to first generate the hydrogen, compress it, distribute it, and then convert it back into electricity through a fuel cell than if you had just charged up a battery in the first place. Also, there is no distribution system yet, every house already has electricity. Storage in the car is still an issue that hasn't been resolved.

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That's more of an indictment against the Camry Hybrid, which is a joke. Actually, all of those "hybrid" versions of regular cars are a joke. Sticking an electric motor in a regular car doesn't do jack - as a I understand it, the power-to-weight ratio of batteries/electric motors severely limits the actual gain from throwing in that electric power.

The Prius gets gaudy numbers because its relatively light compared to other cars of its size, it has good aero, the gas engine has no power, and it has tires with no grip at all. Strip away all that shit and get a "Regular" car and you get marginal improvements over the gas version (i.e. camry v. camry hybrid).


Take all this stupid safety and luxury out of cars, get the curb weight down, and train people to drive smarter.
I see Mel already mentioned it, but the Fusion Hybrid is rated at 41/36mpg, the standard 4-cyl, 22/31, an 86% improvement in city mileage. The Escape Hybrid gets 34/31mpg, whereas the 4-cyl Escape gets 20/28mpg, an 85% improvement in city mileage. I have a theory that Toyota is just lazy in applying their hybrid drive to other models, more interested in raking in cash on green-cred that actually maximizing gas mileage.

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I've only given the hydrogen stuff a cursory glance (and seen that Top Gear ep on it), but it seems like a far more promising direction than "plug-in" garbage that simply shifts the oil-burning process from the engine to a power plant. I'm sure you get gains because a bigass power plant somewhere is more efficient than a gas engine you can fit into a car, but you're still using using fossil fuel. On the other hand, we aren't running out of hydrogen anytime soon.

Doesn't Honda already have some refueling stations in Socal already? If the only thing holding this shit back is the politics and initial start up costs, then it's quite sad.

I still don't think the entry price of new hybrid vehicles is "worth it" compared to getting a shitbox to bum around in (which not everyone is willing to do, admittedly) and there's the whole South Park thing where most Prius drivers are absolute tools.
I've already mentioned several of the major hurdles hydrogen faces. However, in this post you act as if hydrogen is just free for the picking. True, hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it isn't readily available as hydrogen gas. On earth, all hydrogen is is bonded into other substances. We can't just drill for hydrogen gas, it doesn't exist on earth. Hydrogen gas has to be made. One method is to strip hydrogen out of petroleum, which certainly doesn't address the oil issue. The most talked about method is to electrolyze water, which takes electricity. More electricity, in fact, than it would take just to charge the batteries in a car parked in your garage.
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On the other hand, we aren't running out of hydrogen anytime soon.
we're not running out because we never had any to begin with. we have to manufacture hydrogen.

the most common production method currently is to extract hydrogen from (you guessed it) fossil fuels. or electrolysis from water (in which case the energy source is whatever powers the electric current).

it's an energy carrier, NOT an energy source. currently, it's no different than a battery.
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Old 08-11-2009, 06:55 PM   #37
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or i could buy an '88 Caddy and $31,000 worth of fuel. hmm.
i agree with this man. (i would prefer a Galaxy, but to each his own)

if being cool is not a priority, pick up a EF civic hatchback, 45mpg at least.

so, say you pick up a REALLY nice one, you might pay a hefty $2000.

so then you have $38,000 left for fuel.

fuel is at around $3 per gallon, being generous, so that comes out to 12,667 gallons, or 570,000 miles.

and thats without factoring in all the problems you will have with the GM car and pricier insurance.
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Old 08-11-2009, 07:01 PM   #38
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i agree with this man. (i would prefer a Galaxy, but to each his own)

if being cool is not a priority, pick up a EF civic hatchback, 45mpg at least.

so, say you pick up a REALLY nice one, you might pay a hefty $2000.

so then you have $38,000 left for fuel.

fuel is at around $3 per gallon, being generous, so that comes out to 12,667 gallons, or 570,000 miles.

and thats without factoring in all the problems you will have with the GM car and pricier insurance.
THANK YOU.

you're going to look like a geek in either an EF civic or a Volt or a Prius. why not pick the car you can fix in your garage and enough gas to drive it for over a decade?
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So how can an electric car get any mpg without any gallons in the first place?

HHHHHHMMMM?
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Under the tentative guidelines, which rate vehicles in kilowatt hours per 100 miles rather than miles per gallon, the Leaf would achieve the equivalent of 367 mpg despite the fact that it doesn't actually use any gasoline.
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GM will kill it just like they did the EV-1...

Oil companies can't make any money on this crap... And they rule the world...

Too bad i heard oil is running out, so thats why they are looking at the alternatives.
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Old 08-11-2009, 08:49 PM   #42
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how about just gas lol
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I heard it runs on hopes and dreams and a magical unicorn is under the hood powering it. Instead of HP they now have UP.

will Gm go broke making this car? who knows. I'd like to give it 3 years to see a toyota/honda competitor. Building it with the same drivetrain layout as a diesel locomotive makes sense. I hope it actually does what it's supposed to or the electric car is gonna be killed again.
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It's a zero emmissions Electric car ie no tailpipe.

Check it out.
Nissan Leaf Electric Car | Nissan USA Official Site
So it's not really MPG then!

So to be correct for electric cars, what takes the place of MPG? (serious question)

Mother-effer it was answered on the second page, kinda. Is there going to be a term to replace MPG?
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I'm already tired of this thing.

It's fucking up my youtube.
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nobody heard of the EV-1 until it was dead. this has been hyped for years. anybody saying they're going to "kill" this is retarded.

you can buy it. you think they're going to come to your house and steal your property in the night?
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maybe superstreet and modified mag will start covering these things and they will become the next trend car, then they will be the next hot theft car. hahah jk
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yea electric charge ups are only gonna run up electricity so not saving much i guess...hopefully hydrogen technology comes along
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where do you think the hydrogen is going to come from? It takes energy to produce hydrogen.

Electricity consumption follows a bell curve, high during the day when everyone is at work, peaking in the afternoon when AC's are on full blast, and much lower at night when lights are off and AC usage is at a minimum. By charging electric cars at night, when usage is at it's lowest, you could add millions of electric cars to the road with out having to increase electrical generating capacity at all. Electricity is cheaper than gasoline, and electric motors are better than 90% efficient, compared to gas engine's 30% efficiency, so it takes a lot less energy too.
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