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FullRaceGeoff · 08-06-2010, 08:26 AM

yeah our webguy is seriously slacking. he has to get a boot in the ass for taking this long... my apologies. i promise you we have worked wayyy too hard on this conversion kit to abandon it! Also seeing how cheap some gtr clips have been going for lately really makes doing a build like this that much more attainable

niteridaz503 · 08-06-2010, 09:56 AM

Glad to see you guys still moving forward with the kits & GL with the sales process seems like you have alot of people interested man.

FullRaceGeoff · 08-06-2010, 01:26 PM

thanks, the hardest part was redesigning the welded-on components so that an end user could install easily. The frame rails, trans mt and double wishbone conversion used to be built one-by-one on the car. Now, the end user cleans the surface (preps for MIG welding) bolts in those items, and then lays some beads down. a LOT less work this way

zxc4 · 09-17-2010, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onlydrinkkoolaid

please hurry with the site I have been on and off the page looking for updates since December 2007 when that Modified Mag issue came out and yes I still read that article from time to time. I thought you guys completed abandoned the R14 so i was left dreaming and quoting STAR TREK "to boldly go where no man has gone before."

I have also been watching and waiting patiently. I think there are plenty of other lurkers keeping an eye on this as well.

nachos14 · 09-24-2010, 04:30 AM

nice build. saw this car at sema show years ago. even have a poster up in my shop. good work guys

tinys s14 · 09-25-2010, 01:41 AM

wow sickest s14 EVERRR.

ETHANOLED SR · 09-25-2010, 02:10 AM

This car is amazing in every way!!! The Full Race team has got R&D in the box and on top of everyone else. Great car, great products, and great car enthusiasts!!! Subscribed!

Why didn't I see this thread before?

fckillerbee · 09-29-2010, 07:08 PM

absolutely amazing read...all 8 pages. Amazing video...great way to end it with the smoke coming in the cabin....it's amazing to see the fire come through the (shift boot)something while you were looking out the door....and then you opened the door..and fire everywhere...amazing.

great build...absolutely amazing....my mouth has been catching fly's for 45 minutes.

daviddwilson · 10-05-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jspaeth

This thing is gonna be retarded!!!!!!!!!!

350 ft-lbs+ of torque from 4500-8000 in a 4 wheel drive 2700 lb car.

This should be insane, I wish I could watch in person.

WOW, ridiculous! Looks pretty perfect

Could you elaborate on how you control the torque split manually? You just regulate oil pressure to the transfer case or somethin?

Good luck in the time attack. Looks like the competition is pretty tough but i'm rooting for ya!
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FullRaceGeoff · 10-27-2010, 07:42 PM

hey guys - sorry there havent been any updates. We've been absolutely SWAMPED with r&d work since the new BorgWarner EFR turbos have been in development. Its taken away all of my free time that I could normally spend on my R14, but worth every minute. if you have a spare minute check out some of the turbo technology here:

BorgWarner EFR Turbos | Full-Race.com

This week we head to SEMA in Las Vegas and as soon as we get back ill be back on the R14 website and how-to writeup. And then the R14 will be back on the track with the EFR 8374 turbo

irritatedmax · 10-27-2010, 10:19 PM

I just read through the entire EFR page. Holy cow. That looks awesome. Any chance you have a 1JZ-GTE (VVTi version) manifold in the works? Haha. This would be an awesome DD/weekend drifter setup!

Can't wait to hear more.

turbo2nr · 10-28-2010, 07:38 AM

wow intresting turbo ! finally time some one re-invented the wheel, lots of cool features lots of technology in this.

so whats the price point looking like, when is it available to the public?

im assuming if it fits on a sr20 w/ twin scroll mai, it should also fit on a ka-t?

really looking forward to see dyno comp. on this!

Godchsr · 10-30-2010, 08:41 PM

Very sweet read!

You're in Phoenix right? You fill up your cars at QuikTrip right? lol

josephin510 · 11-03-2010, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redline racer510

Hey Geoff got a job for me. Working at Mercedes Benz is starting to bore me and I know recession is a B!+ch but damn I would rather be a part of that.

Hamz is this u? If so hurry in finish RB SWAP

PoorMans180SX · 11-05-2010, 07:13 PM

Stoked to see the new EFR turbo on the dyno and the track! Let us know when you get the pricing finished on those R14 kits.

bigturbo3 · 11-05-2010, 08:31 PM

thats totally sick

pallnet · 11-05-2010, 10:35 PM

Good looking car and much respect for the build. Very nice/clean work.
pallnet

crunkride · 11-05-2010, 11:32 PM

unreal - a wolf in sheep's clothing.

FullRaceGeoff · 11-22-2010, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo2nr

wow intresting turbo ! finally time some one re-invented the wheel, lots of cool features lots of technology in this. so whats the price point looking like, when is it available to the public? im assuming if it fits on a sr20 w/ twin scroll mai, it should also fit on a ka-t?

glad to hear you guys are excited! The amount of attention and interest that we saw at SEMA was unreal. A lot of people are really excited for the new turbo tech that BorgWarner is bringing to the table. there is a great video on the EFR background if you are bored:

YouTube - EFR Turbo Series from BorgWarner Turbo Systems

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godchsr

Very sweet read! You're in Phoenix right? You fill up your cars at QuikTrip right? lol

LOL, Ive gone to the quiktrip on university often since its right around the corner from Full-Race. Recently we got an E85 station on our street

1 block away from the shop, we I have only been taking the beaters for regular gasoline. all the turbo cars here have been switching over to E85

Quote:

Originally Posted by irritatedmax

I just read through the entire EFR page. Holy cow. That looks awesome. Any chance you have a 1JZ-GTE (VVTi version) manifold in the works? Haha. This would be an awesome DD/weekend drifter setup! Can't wait to hear more.

we rarely get requests for the 1JZ manifolds/turbokits but if you are serious and we can get a few more people we can do it. Typically we will require an initial order of (10) manifolds. The EFR turbos really have a huge benefit becuase they make the manifolds much less expensive. The Wastegate ports are actually the most time consuming and labor intensive part of the manifold fabrication

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMans180SX

Stoked to see the new EFR turbo on the dyno and the track! Let us know when you get the pricing finished on those R14 kits.

We are finally finishing up the details on the R14 conversions, and it looks like pricing will be $4800. That includes everything needed for the swap except your S14 and the donor GTR clip

PoorMans180SX · 11-22-2010, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullRaceGeoff

We are finally finishing up the details on the R14 conversions, and it looks like pricing will be $4800. That includes everything needed for the swap except your S14 and the donor GTR clip

Wow, this is a lot cheaper than I was expecting. Nice job!

Waiting for EFR dyno...

ross.cottrill · 11-23-2010, 05:40 AM

^^^^^^x2 on efr dyno please!!!

nathanong87 · 11-29-2010, 07:14 AM

incredible....

PoorMans180SX · 12-22-2010, 08:27 AM

Any dyno time yet?

howyfeltersnatch · 01-22-2011, 02:13 PM

so whats the car been up to since?

FullRaceGeoff · 02-02-2011, 09:26 PM

the car is undergoing surgery... again. Currently she is getting a carbonetic rear LSD, sunroof is going away, Kognition rear wing will be installed, and a diet all the way around. Id like to pull 200 lbs out, so there is a lot of work to do!

the big fun is the EFR 8374 w/ 42mm dual internal wastegate

by removing the 2 wastegates, dumptubes and WG ports, that was a big chunk of weight and complexity just disappeared

turbo2nr · 02-03-2011, 07:56 AM

dual internal wastegate you say?? 0_o

must explain with pictures please! just curious to how the turbine housing will look.

Sleepy_Steve · 02-03-2011, 08:36 AM

What kinda weight numbers are you trying to get down to with it? 2400lbs wet and ready to race?

FullRaceGeoff · 02-04-2011, 12:45 PM

The car we had in the BorgWarner SEMA booth was a Full-Race equipped R34 GTR w/ EFR 8374 .92 a/r twinscroll and 42mm dual internal wastegate. The car is running well on 91 octane right now and the owner is absolutely blown away by the powerband. This is his 3rd R34 GTR, all have been extremely modified - and he said none of them have been anything like this. some photos from: http://autoholics.com/2010/11/05/Bor...o-Power-305516

^^^^^the header is of course a Full-Race twinscroll, but without wastegate ports saves $400

and video (it sounds amazing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8JMwiwams8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THOPY9uXrv0

Quote:

Originally Posted by turbo2nr

dual internal wastegate you say?? 0_o must explain with pictures please! just curious to how the turbine housing will look.

here are some photos to explain:

this gate works really well - and saves a lot of $$ -- (2) wastegates, (2) 1.5" dumptubes, (4) stainless flanges, (4) vband clamps and a shit load of work/weight/complexity

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sleepy_Steve

What kinda weight numbers are you trying to get down to with it? 2400lbs wet and ready to race?

to be honest, the RB engines and driveline are sooo heavy compared to the typical SR setups, i think i can get my street car down to 2900 (power windows, radio/speakers, etc). I am slowly working on my racecar to reach 2500, but it wont be ready for a track until 2012. need to get the street car where im content with it before i can focus 100% on the race car

turbo2nr · 02-04-2011, 02:14 PM

hmm very interesting.. so all this dual wastegate design will work just as well as two 38/44 mm wastegates??

curious what about lower boost pressure say 10-14psi.. is its stil as efficient??

so the way it works is that it expell's exhaust gasses from both ends of the twinsrcoll?

or is it two ports one for each scroll?

FullRaceGeoff · 02-04-2011, 04:08 PM

On a twinscroll setup you really dont want mixing between cylinders, thats how twinscroll spools so fast; there is less header volume and no negative interactions between exhaust events.

The way the EFR internal wastegate works is one port for each scroll -- the object is to keep the flow paths completely divided for maximum efficiency. It works well at all boost levels, 10psi to 30psi

09-24-2010, 04:30 AM	#215
nachos14 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2005 Location: fontana CA Age: 40 Posts: 412 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	nice build. saw this car at sema show years ago. even have a poster up in my shop. good work guys __________________

09-25-2010, 01:41 AM	#216
tinys s14 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Queens, NY Age: 31 Posts: 1,030 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	wow sickest s14 EVERRR. __________________

10-27-2010, 10:19 PM	#221
irritatedmax Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ashland, NE Age: 35 Posts: 1,360 Trader Rating: (20) Feedback Score: 20 reviews	I just read through the entire EFR page. Holy cow. That looks awesome. Any chance you have a 1JZ-GTE (VVTi version) manifold in the works? Haha. This would be an awesome DD/weekend drifter setup! Can't wait to hear more. __________________ BRICKHOUSE PRODUCTS IG @brickhouse_products

10-28-2010, 07:38 AM	#222
turbo2nr Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: queens NYC Age: 35 Posts: 2,560 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	wow intresting turbo ! finally time some one re-invented the wheel, lots of cool features lots of technology in this. so whats the price point looking like, when is it available to the public? im assuming if it fits on a sr20 w/ twin scroll mai, it should also fit on a ka-t? really looking forward to see dyno comp. on this! __________________ s14 kouki ka-t

11-05-2010, 07:13 PM	#225
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,432 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Stoked to see the new EFR turbo on the dyno and the track! Let us know when you get the pricing finished on those R14 kits. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs. Last edited by PoorMans180SX; 11-05-2010 at 11:11 PM..

08-06-2010, 08:26 AM	#211
FullRaceGeoff Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: az/nj Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah our webguy is seriously slacking. he has to get a boot in the ass for taking this long... my apologies. i promise you we have worked wayyy too hard on this conversion kit to abandon it! Also seeing how cheap some gtr clips have been going for lately really makes doing a build like this that much more attainable

08-06-2010, 01:26 PM	#213
FullRaceGeoff Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: az/nj Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks, the hardest part was redesigning the welded-on components so that an end user could install easily. The frame rails, trans mt and double wishbone conversion used to be built one-by-one on the car. Now, the end user cleans the surface (preps for MIG welding) bolts in those items, and then lays some beads down. a LOT less work this way

09-25-2010, 02:10 AM	#217
ETHANOLED SR Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Culver City Posts: 700 Trader Rating: (33) Feedback Score: 33 reviews	This car is amazing in every way!!! The Full Race team has got R&D in the box and on top of everyone else. Great car, great products, and great car enthusiasts!!! Subscribed! Why didn't I see this thread before?

09-29-2010, 07:08 PM	#218
fckillerbee Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Southern California Age: 36 Posts: 4,266 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	absolutely amazing read...all 8 pages. Amazing video...great way to end it with the smoke coming in the cabin....it's amazing to see the fire come through the (shift boot)something while you were looking out the door....and then you opened the door..and fire everywhere...amazing. great build...absolutely amazing....my mouth has been catching fly's for 45 minutes.

10-27-2010, 07:42 PM	#220
FullRaceGeoff Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: az/nj Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey guys - sorry there havent been any updates. We've been absolutely SWAMPED with r&d work since the new BorgWarner EFR turbos have been in development. Its taken away all of my free time that I could normally spend on my R14, but worth every minute. if you have a spare minute check out some of the turbo technology here: BorgWarner EFR Turbos \| Full-Race.com This week we head to SEMA in Las Vegas and as soon as we get back ill be back on the R14 website and how-to writeup. And then the R14 will be back on the track with the EFR 8374 turbo

10-30-2010, 08:41 PM	#223
Godchsr Zilvia Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Raymore MO Age: 39 Posts: 206 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Very sweet read! You're in Phoenix right? You fill up your cars at QuikTrip right? lol

11-05-2010, 08:31 PM	#226
bigturbo3 Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: north dakota Age: 35 Posts: 169 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	thats totally sick

11-05-2010, 10:35 PM	#227
pallnet Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 86 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Good looking car and much respect for the build. Very nice/clean work. pallnet __________________ SPEED IS MY DRUG OF CHOICE..LET ME DRIVE.

11-05-2010, 11:32 PM	#228
crunkride Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Barrie, Ontario, Canada Posts: 165 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	unreal - a wolf in sheep's clothing.

11-23-2010, 05:40 AM	#231
ross.cottrill Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 1,185 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	^^^^^^x2 on efr dyno please!!! __________________ " NEO VVL BABY FTMFW!" Originally Posted by shagspeed Dude if I made 500WHP on a 54C SR20DET back in 1999-2000 with old school technology .. This VET will T-BAG your RB engines

11-29-2010, 07:14 AM	#232
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12-22-2010, 08:27 AM	#233
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,432 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Any dyno time yet? __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

01-22-2011, 02:13 PM	#234
howyfeltersnatch Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Easton, Pa Age: 35 Posts: 135 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	so whats the car been up to since? __________________

02-02-2011, 09:26 PM	#235
FullRaceGeoff Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: az/nj Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	the car is undergoing surgery... again. Currently she is getting a carbonetic rear LSD, sunroof is going away, Kognition rear wing will be installed, and a diet all the way around. Id like to pull 200 lbs out, so there is a lot of work to do! the big fun is the EFR 8374 w/ 42mm dual internal wastegate by removing the 2 wastegates, dumptubes and WG ports, that was a big chunk of weight and complexity just disappeared

02-03-2011, 07:56 AM	#236
turbo2nr Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: queens NYC Age: 35 Posts: 2,560 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	dual internal wastegate you say?? 0_o must explain with pictures please! just curious to how the turbine housing will look. __________________ s14 kouki ka-t

02-03-2011, 08:36 AM	#237
Sleepy_Steve Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 276 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	What kinda weight numbers are you trying to get down to with it? 2400lbs wet and ready to race? __________________ '95 240 \| @SleepySteve72

02-04-2011, 02:14 PM	#239
turbo2nr Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: queens NYC Age: 35 Posts: 2,560 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	hmm very interesting.. so all this dual wastegate design will work just as well as two 38/44 mm wastegates?? curious what about lower boost pressure say 10-14psi.. is its stil as efficient?? so the way it works is that it expell's exhaust gasses from both ends of the twinsrcoll? or is it two ports one for each scroll? __________________ s14 kouki ka-t

02-04-2011, 04:08 PM	#240
FullRaceGeoff Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: az/nj Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	On a twinscroll setup you really dont want mixing between cylinders, thats how twinscroll spools so fast; there is less header volume and no negative interactions between exhaust events. The way the EFR internal wastegate works is one port for each scroll -- the object is to keep the flow paths completely divided for maximum efficiency. It works well at all boost levels, 10psi to 30psi

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