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*brndck* · 02-05-2021, 12:14 PM

The 2021 Nissan Frontier has been announced/revealed whatever.
While it has some impressive numbers for hp/tq, a number of capacities are unimpressive IMO when compared to others in its segment.

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/02/04/...h-big-redesign

Discuss.

***Future240*** · 02-05-2021, 12:18 PM

Big nah.

1. Its hideous
2. It has the biggest engine with the most power yet tows the least and has the second smallest payload.
3. Unless it is 25K it makes no sense vs the Taco
4. Nissan's quality has been questionable for a while so resell value is an issue

*brndck* · 02-05-2021, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Future240

Big nah.

1. Its hideous I think the front looks good but it looks like they just stuck a mask on a Tacoma body
2. It has the biggest engine with the most power yet tows the least and has the second smallest payload. ditto.
3. Unless it is 25K it makes no sense vs the Taco I haven't seen confirmed pricing, but all estimates based on previous years show that it will NOT be cheap enough to make Taco buyer reconsider
4. Nissan's quality has been questionable for a while so resell value is an issue Lots of people who got bit by that whole "radiator leaking coolant into the ATF, wrecking transmissions that Nissan would not warranty" still remember getting royally screwed over by Nissan. I doubt they'd want to try again

many valid points here.

KA24DESOneThree · 02-05-2021, 01:55 PM

Real talk: no one cares about payload. Insurance companies do, and therefore I do since I need to be insurable when driving expensive cars for business, but no one else does.

My ZR2 has a 981lb (edited from 971lbs, got myself confused) payload. There are multiple ZR2s running around with campers, 35s hanging off the back, etc. that are 25%+ over GVWR. There are multiple Tacos running around similarly overloaded- a TRD Pro has a 1,135lb payload and a 6,400lb towing capacity.

Additional real talk: towing capacity is now a function of cooling capacity. The SAE J2807 testing procedure is friggin' tough on cooling systems. The Highway Gradeability portion requires ambient temps of 100 degrees at minimum, AC at max cold with outside air selected, fan running at full. Then the truck and trailer must drive at 40mph and never drop below that speed up the 11.4mi Davis Dam Grade. There must be no component failures, no check engine or alert lights, zero part failures, zero error codes, and no loss of coolant.

There are also braking and handling tests along with acceleration tests. http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/tow...s-the-standard

Big engine with most power also means most heat to exchange. Part of the reason the ZR2 is rated at only 5,000lbs towing is because the front bumper got rid of the air dam and reduced the low-pressure zone that helped pull heat out of the engine bay and there wasn't room in the budget to add heat rejection.

When I was looking for a truck to buy, I looked at the Ranger (because aftermarket air lockers are available and I require the ability to be fully locked) and the ZR2. I wasn't interested in the Taco because the powertrain is a dog and the seating position is weird. The Gladiator looks huge compared to my ZR2.

*TheRealSy90* · 02-08-2021, 07:02 PM

I'll just say you guys need to formulate a real opinion by actually driving this truck when it hits dealers. It's way better than the competition in many aspects. Do you care about numbers or how it actually performs when you drive it?

There's a reason everyone isn't driving around 1 ton trucks for the higher payload number lol.

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Alex Mcknz · 02-23-2021, 07:07 PM

It looks nice, but I am not planning to buy it.

Corbic · 04-09-2021, 08:51 PM

Sick Ridgeline!

mechanicalmoron · 04-10-2021, 11:47 AM

Looks like they want to break into the cool kid flat brown toyota market - Except with hideous garbage.

02-05-2021, 01:55 PM	#4
KA24DESOneThree Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 35 Posts: 2,441 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Real talk: no one cares about payload. Insurance companies do, and therefore I do since I need to be insurable when driving expensive cars for business, but no one else does. My ZR2 has a 981lb (edited from 971lbs, got myself confused) payload. There are multiple ZR2s running around with campers, 35s hanging off the back, etc. that are 25%+ over GVWR. There are multiple Tacos running around similarly overloaded- a TRD Pro has a 1,135lb payload and a 6,400lb towing capacity. Additional real talk: towing capacity is now a function of cooling capacity. The SAE J2807 testing procedure is friggin' tough on cooling systems. The Highway Gradeability portion requires ambient temps of 100 degrees at minimum, AC at max cold with outside air selected, fan running at full. Then the truck and trailer must drive at 40mph and never drop below that speed up the 11.4mi Davis Dam Grade. There must be no component failures, no check engine or alert lights, zero part failures, zero error codes, and no loss of coolant. There are also braking and handling tests along with acceleration tests. http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/tow...s-the-standard Big engine with most power also means most heat to exchange. Part of the reason the ZR2 is rated at only 5,000lbs towing is because the front bumper got rid of the air dam and reduced the low-pressure zone that helped pull heat out of the engine bay and there wasn't room in the budget to add heat rejection. When I was looking for a truck to buy, I looked at the Ranger (because aftermarket air lockers are available and I require the ability to be fully locked) and the ZR2. I wasn't interested in the Taco because the powertrain is a dog and the seating position is weird. The Gladiator looks huge compared to my ZR2. Last edited by KA24DESOneThree; 03-05-2021 at 02:06 PM..

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02-23-2021, 07:07 PM	#6
Alex Mcknz Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Florida Age: 30 Posts: 30 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	It looks nice, but I am not planning to buy it.

04-09-2021, 08:51 PM	#7
Corbic Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: US Age: 37 Posts: 8,027 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Sick Ridgeline!

04-10-2021, 11:47 AM	#8
mechanicalmoron Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: tx Posts: 1,072 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Looks like they want to break into the cool kid flat brown toyota market - Except with hideous garbage.