Corbic

Time for some Großdeutsche Lösung (Greater German Solution).

This is the all German thread, not just the Ultimative Auffahrt Automat thread.

Introduction:

Maybe some of you have noticed, maybe some have not, but right now there seems to be a slew of bargain priced 15-20 year old German cars out there. These once expensive luxury performance monsters are now trading for the price of a clean S14.

Yes, to the average consumer, there is much to fear regarding reliability. But for those of us who are used to rebuilding SRs, wiring up 2JZs, dealign with mystical triangles of death (rotaries) and fabbing crap to install a 5.3 Turbo junkyard motor, there really is nothing to fear.

By now, most of the problems these cars have are well documented. There are now proven procedures on how to identify, repair and avoid the issues. Many European cars suffer from failed window regulators, aged timing belts, coil-pack issues, plastic impeller water pumps and other easily remedied failures. While for a "normal" person, a failed water pump would mean thousands in dealership repair costs, most of us can fix it in an afternoon with a $50 ebay part using a steal impeller.

So with that let the German-Fest Begin.

Corbic

B5 S4


Fuck yo WRX.

Anymore you can get a B5 S4 for well under 10k. A friend picked up a black/black S4 with records and a 6spd for $6,500. Craigslist specials pop up with automatics for under $5k.

Factory 265hp, 300 ft/tq and a bulletproof 6spd.

simmode1

Oh snap. R.I.P. BMW thread. This gon be good. So... I like 944's. Am I crazy?

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Corbic

Hell no. Back in HS I wanted a 944 bad.

There is tons of info out there about LS1 swaps to really beaf up the power.








928 - Might not be the best looking car... but that noise. Amazing GT cars with Amazing interiors.

Corbic

Some shots from the Luftwaffe

AFSil80

I predict a rise in 944/928 prices in the near future...they may not spike like the 964 Turbos have in the last year (and the other 911's) but I imagine them following that price hike trend.

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Corbic

Also the prices of the 968s are taking off.

DreamN

B5 S4s is such a bargain right now. Even B6 S4s are priced really well right now.

Always loved the 944 body. Very cool indeed. Another Porsche I've been looking at lately has been the 996. Was never a huge fan of the styling, but the 02-05 models have grown on me quite a bit. Plus you can find some really well kept C2s for low to mid teens.

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AFSil80

^ 996s seem to be the only 911 series Porsche that's not moving in price. You can find decent mileage Turbos in the mid 30's.

The issues I've seen with the S4's is the turbos. If they haven't been replaced, that seems to be what is dictating the lower priced examples.

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Corbic

A "Decent" 996TT is still in the 40's if not the 50's. Yes, cars can be had for high 30's.

Cats are the big bad guy on the S4, they go, they take out the turbos... and yeah..

Perfect time to upgrade the turbos and delete the cats.

renegade_ewok

B5 S4S ARE SWEET GUYS.

Until you actually have to fucking work on them or when a turbo goes. Fuck. That.

Corbic

It's actually not that bad. You just need to know HOW to do it. The whole front comes off and everything becomes fairly accessible. Sure it takes some extra time compared to a I4, but it's still better than a 3000GT or 300ZX.

With European cars, patients is a very important virtue.

AFSil80

Ugh, bringing back bad memories of VR-4 clutch jobs from Hell.

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e1_griego

It's only like 28 hours book time, right?

lol

Corbic

Not even a weekend.

Flicktitty

That Imola Yellow though....

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Flicktitty

I've looked at B5 S4's monthly for no joke 7 years, Very rarely have i ever seen "the combo" that it would take for me to actually pull the trigger. I would absolutely LOVE a Stage 3 + S4 Avant. But i don't know if i could actually buy one do to what Renegade_ewok said, because he is right. those cars suck to work on, which is why the VR6-T swap is becoming more and more popular.

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Corbic

VR6 is also a beast. Junkyard motors are only a few hundred bucks.

Flicktitty

My new lust is the BMW 135I (N54 engine) Such an awesome setup. 3Liter Inline 6 twin turbo making 300HP/300TQ in a 3400lbs 2 door coupe, Yes please, Not to mention they can be found pretty much all day for under $20,000 For a car ranging from 2008-2010. Sure it's not your $7,000 S-Chassis but i want one.

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simmode1

^^^
Dayum. I had no idea 968 could look so hot. Now I don't have to worry about getting rid of the 944's pop-ups while still keeping those muscular fenders. Something about the idea of having an FR Porsche just makes me hot. But I'll never be a fan of LSx swaps. A Subaru boxer in a Porsche just makes more sense to me.

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Corbic

944 is an Inline-4. Subaru Boxers suck balls.

Some Audi 20v love.



I think a 4.2 swap would be awesome as well.

simmode1

Wait soooo... They make bolt-on hard tops for the 986 Boxster that resemble the Cayman!?!

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Corbic

Zientop made the original and went out of business. Several companies are now making their own versions. They cost $3-4k.




Another prototype.



http://986forum.com/forums/boxster-r...prototype.html

Factory Hardtop

hobbs

B5 S4s are cool and all but the ones you're going to find for 6500 are already beat to piss by some kid who couldnt afford to keep up on maintenance on the poor thing. Not to mention the syncro issues those transmissions always develop. I would love to rock a B6 S4 as a daily if the 4.2s didnt eat timing chain guides and it didnt cost less to swap in a 2.7tt than to do a timing repair.

Anyways, I enjoy my MK6 Golf R for what it is.

simmode1

Any idea on how the 986 responds to forced induction? Dat bish needs moar powa!

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Corbic

Nope, an I don't care.

Here is the skinny on the Rockstar.

The 986 had 3 engines. 2.5l (207hp) from 1997-1999, a 2.7l (217hp) 2000-2004 and the 3.2l (254hp) found in the Boxster S from 2000-2004.

You really can't tell the difference in the 2.5L and 2.7L. The S also has upgraded brakes, a 6spd manual which is much stronger and nicer, and a third radiator.

The engines have the IMS failure issue which I covered before. Essentially a $1,000 prevention that stops your engine from randomly grenade. Engine replacements are very expensive. They use Alusil construction and cylinders. Some engines have had cylinders crack.

I know guys with 987's, the newer generation, have had some success making big turbo numbers. It's a PITA however. Just think, where the hell you gonna put that IC?

Corbic

Now if you want a power-boxster, I recommend engine swapping. Plenty of neglected 986's out there, some in need of new engines. The value of these cars is solely based on the condition of the engines.

Precision Chassis Works has done a few EJ25 swaps.
http://www.precisionchassisworks.com...onversion.html

He is expensive, I think he said he can swap a car for a customer for ~$20k. I personally hate the EJ25.



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Now the much better plan is his latest efforts...



Thats right, 4.2 baby!

Boxster's two transmission are the Audi/VW 012 FWD 5spd Transaxle and the 01E 6spd Tranaxle. These units share the same bell housing pattern as all the Longitudinal VW/Audi engines. The 2.7TT, 1.8T, 2.8 V6, 4.2 V8 etc.

Another example:



The 4.2 came in several forms. Most common will be the vanilla A6 and A8 engines. They all make around 300hp. Newer engines and specialty engines (RS6/RS8) make more power but cost considerably more. A 32v 295hp 4.2 is ~$500.

So you'll save some coin by skipping the adapter plate / clutch+flywheel issues. You'll get a cheap powerful engine and my god the noises it makes...




So my plan at this time is sell my running 2.5l for $2,500 - $3,000. Buy a 4.2l for $500, clean it up for another $500, megasquirt, long tubes... oh yeah... poor mans R8

simmode1

Ok, so this idea got me all hot and bothered and ready to go buy a 986 for swapping. Until I actually looked into this shit. I couldn't find 1 example of anyone completing this swap and getting it running. If you have info on running 4.2L 986's (preferably with the 6spd trans), please post it.

Everything I've seen says, yeah, the dimensions are right so getting it to fit isn't the problem. But wiring it up is still mystifying most ppl. You can't run either the Porsche or Audi ECU, so say goodbye to a working gauge cluster and other niceties. And since the 4.2L is a pretty complex motor, most doubt that megasquirt will be able to operate it fully, causing a big loss in power.

Seems a lot like the early issues we encountered trying to run VQ engines in 240's. I want the 4.2L 6spd 986 idea to work, but I can't find any examples of anyone getting it done...

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HeyGirlHeyyy

Here's a running and driving, quite spiritedly, manual 4.2 swapped 986.


Same car. Damn good noise.

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