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DS562 · 08-12-2011, 09:03 PM

CA law is too circumstantial when it comes to this.

if an intruder is in your home and you come out of your room aiming a gun at him and he runs for the exit, you cant shoot him without doing jail time. if he was unarmed with 2 entry wounds in his back, you're fucked.

however, same scenario except he advances on you, you may kill.

you also may not kill over property damage/theft.

it all boils down to one question "did you genuinely fear for your life and the lives of your family?"

TL;DR
shoot him before he turns around to run.

kandyflip445 · 08-12-2011, 10:23 PM

I don't think I'm afraid of any law in using a gun to defend my home. I'm more afraid of where/who else I could possibly shoot in my home. I have my family here and not knowing where they are I don't think I could reasonably fire a weapon without knowing for sure I wouldn't hit one of them.

But if I lived alone it would be different.

ch1873857 · 08-13-2011, 09:26 AM

use frangible ammo. less collateral damage. you wont have to worry about shooting at someone and having rounds penetrating though 4 sheets of drywall into an innocent bystander aka your family.

TheWolf · 08-13-2011, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ch1873857

use frangible ammo. less collateral damage. you wont have to worry about shooting at someone and having rounds penetrating though 4 sheets of drywall into an innocent bystander aka your family.

The Box O' Truth - Ammo Penetration Testing

practicing is better than relying on ammo. The situation can't be solved by purchasing something in the store but rather learning skills. The fighting shotgun is something that most people can learn and be effective with. I'd recommend anyone to get a $175 maverick 88 and spend $400 on a weekend of shoot and move drills, FTF/FTL drills and basic CQB. Than to buy a $600-750 .45 handgun put 50 rounds through it on a range and consider themselves ready.

BustedS13 · 08-13-2011, 11:01 AM

i have a pump shotgun. i like to think that if someone broke in, they'd run away when i cock it. i could shoot somebody if they came at me with something, but it's not something i ever hope or expect to do.

TheWolf · 08-13-2011, 02:09 PM

no one has ever crapped their pants at the sound of a shot gun being cocked.. I would hope before you engaged the intruder you would have loaded a round.. a fail to feed would provide an opportunity for the intruder.

HyperTek · 08-13-2011, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DS562

CA law is too circumstantial when it comes to this.

if an intruder is in your home and you come out of your room aiming a gun at him and he runs for the exit, you cant shoot him without doing jail time. if he was unarmed with 2 entry wounds in his back, you're fucked.

however, same scenario except he advances on you, you may kill.

you also may not kill over property damage/theft.

it all boils down to one question "did you genuinely fear for your life and the lives of your family?"

TL;DR
shoot him before he turns around to run.

Put a knife in his dead hand.. but then forensics is going to investigate that shit and you will still get fucked in the end.. California favors the criminals... tho we get fucked for car mods =\

theicecreamdan · 08-13-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperTek

California favors the criminals

I'm not sure I buy that.

rc1honda · 08-13-2011, 06:32 PM

Kill them. No bullshit, no fuss no questions. The only time i would even hesitate is if it was very obvious it was a kid or teenager then the kid might get a pass.

If the person looks like a adult shoot until they are dead. Castle Law in Illinois states that under any circumstance threatening or not you can shoot a intruder.

Word to the wise if you ever have to kill someone. DO NOT look at the body afterwards. Wait outside for the cops and leave the body. You do not want to remember that intruder as a person. You only wanna think about it as a target as a neutralized threat. Disassociate that person with a human. They were a target, a threat not a person. Don't look at the body and empathize with the person you just killed.

One_love_silvia · 08-13-2011, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HyperTek

I went to a technical school with a dumbfuck who did time on home burglaries and another dude who used to steal hondas.. and those guys have kids/wives.. The guy who stole cars cleaned up and was cool, but the guy who did home burglaries, was still a lowlife piece of shit. Dude told me how he stole a ps3 /just yanked it out of the entertainment center and it came crashing down, woman comes out screaming and he booked it. He already did time for that shit but man i wish I could do something when I hear these type of stories..

I don't think the law is hard enough.. just a slap on the hand for some little time doesn't seem like much. Fuckers don't change/learn, they need to catch a hot one to the face.

Id go for a bat or knife if someone broke into my home. I wouldnt bust out like "Hey you!"... it try to sneak around and be quit and catch them off guard.

pull some assassins creed shit on him amirite?
thats what i would be doing with my hunting knife. if it can cut through a buck, im pretty sure a human would be no problem.

BustedS13 · 08-13-2011, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWolf

no one has ever crapped their pants at the sound of a shot gun being cocked.. I would hope before you engaged the intruder you would have loaded a round.. a fail to feed would provide an opportunity for the intruder.

i don't keep it chambered. it stays loaded with the lock thing on there... i should mention it's for clay shooting, i really don't think anybody would be interested in robbing me.

DS562 · 08-13-2011, 08:55 PM

dude, a 5 year would know the sound of a shotgun bein racked. if i broke into somebody's house and i heard that classic sound, i'd turn tail and fuckin book it.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 08-14-2011, 08:10 AM

Basic rule of thumb...if you're in a Democratic State, ie CA, you better be in fear for your life to kill them. If you're in a Republican state, ie TX, fuck em...

I've seen enough stories in CA where they had a burglar in the house, the husband got his gun, went downstairs and shot the burglar in the garage as he was jumping in the car the take it with him, the husband got charged with 2nd degree murder. He wasnt in fear for his life, he was protecting his property.

The whole California favors the criminal more than the victim, here's another example. There was a girl who was kidnapped and raped. She managed to escape when she ended up stabbing the guy over 100 times...she went to jail for that one because she stabbed the guy excessively.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 08-14-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DS562

dude, a 5 year would know the sound of a shotgun bein racked. if i broke into somebody's house and i heard that classic sound, i'd turn tail and fuckin book it.

My coworker here in VA lives in a gheto apartment...he was telling me a story that he woke up in the middle of the night and heard people outside fighting and arguing about how they're gonna cap one another, so went to his gun locker and racked his shotgun as loud as he can and it got real quiet real quick.

boosted98gst · 08-14-2011, 09:00 AM

I had something happen in ohio, someone tried to break into my home but ended up running after I flipped the back yard lights on. I wish I had his face on a picture , it was really funny.

BustedS13 · 08-14-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by boosted98gst

I had something happen in ohio, someone tried to break into my home but ended up running after I flipped the back yard lights on. I wish I had his face on a picture , it was really funny.

motion lights bruh. the ultimate home defense

Otto347 · 08-14-2011, 09:41 AM

Kinda the same situation, but with a concealed permit.

Dude was going into an applebees with his girlfriend.
Man rushes up from behind his girl with a ski mask and gun in hand.
Boyfriend yells "hit the deck" with his gun pointed in girlfriends direction.
She drops, he puts four in the guys chest. (doesnt kill him)
Would be robber pulls off mask telling him the gun was fake.
Gun was real, too bad the fuck didnt die.
Guy is not facing any charges.

Armed diner shoots robbery suspect outside St. Petersburg Applebee's - St. Petersburg Times

boosted98gst · 08-14-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BustedS13

motion lights bruh. the ultimate home defense

Yeah all that had me off guard, I was one of those type like nothing will happen around here. It was around 2am when it happend, I herd the guy trying to pry into the back wooden sliding door, I did have a shotgun ready but the house and outside was so dark, I creeped on him and just flipped the lights. We both just looked at each other for like 5 seconds and he took off. On a serious note im way more paraniod now days, im always taking steps before it even gets that far. I called the cops but they never found him, nobody is going to catch a crackhead on an adreline rush.

Walperstyle · 08-16-2011, 03:22 PM

My Uncle has a Criminal Record because he punched out a man who broke into his basement many years ago. The man said in court that he was 'too drunk to realize it was not his house'.

Personally, I'd let them get away with the crime, but I'd follow them back to where they live, and steal things from them.

*kingkilburn* · 08-16-2011, 07:24 PM

Beating this guys as should get you a medal not a criminal record.

I wish I could have found the original. :/

T chop · 08-19-2011, 10:54 AM

I haven't even most the comments but I can say most people are all talk and act like killing someone is so easy. The only way I would want to kill someone is if it was a kill or be killed situation.

rc1honda · 08-19-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by T chop

I haven't even most the comments but I can say most people are all talk and act like killing someone is so easy. The only way I would want to kill someone is if it was a kill or be killed situation.

Know how i know you grew and/or live in upper middle class white suburbia?

I don't wanna kill anyone. But i know where i live, which isn't that bad but still. Where i live if someone is breaking in with you in the house they don't plan on just stealing your tv.

Whatever they have planned it's better to just end it then play around and be nice and thoughtful and worry about psychological baggage.

They made a decision, now you have to make one. I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if i killed some scumbag home invader. If it;s a kid that's different but i don't wanna hang around and wait to see if he just gonna steal my stuff. Or take me to the bank clean my bank account and then snuff me on the street.

You feel sorry for shit bags. I feel sorry for unarmed upstanding citizens.

ultimateirving · 08-19-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bradyd15

If someone broke into my house i would...

1.Restrain him
2.Take him out to my car
3.Drive to a open parking lot,{with my wife holding him at gunpoint while i drive}
4.Tie him to a light post
5.Drift into his ass at high boost
6.Piss on the remains
7.Buy a new 240

this guy is where its at, death by drift..classic

DS562 · 08-20-2011, 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Basic rule of thumb...if you're in a Democratic State, ie CA, you better be in fear for your life to kill them. If you're in a Republican state, ie TX, fuck em...

]I've seen enough stories in CA where they had a burglar in the house, the husband got his gun, went downstairs and shot the burglar in the garage as he was jumping in the car the take it with him, the husband got charged with 2nd degree murder. He wasnt in fear for his life, he was protecting his property.

seriously. my old AJ teacher told me of a case where this guy broke into an old widow's home and while he was rummaging around in the dark, he tripped over something and injured himself and then sued her....successfully. but thats a different intrusion topic.

ronmcdon · 08-20-2011, 02:28 AM

great soundtrack to the 'naked burglar' vid.

word sux · 08-20-2011, 06:48 PM

08-12-2011, 09:03 PM	#61
DS562 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Norwalk 90650 Posts: 1,151 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	CA law is too circumstantial when it comes to this. if an intruder is in your home and you come out of your room aiming a gun at him and he runs for the exit, you cant shoot him without doing jail time. if he was unarmed with 2 entry wounds in his back, you're fucked. however, same scenario except he advances on you, you may kill. you also may not kill over property damage/theft. it all boils down to one question "did you genuinely fear for your life and the lives of your family?" TL;DR shoot him before he turns around to run. __________________ Zeeeeeeeee32 Last edited by DS562; 08-12-2011 at 09:42 PM..

08-12-2011, 10:23 PM	#62
kandyflip445 Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Arden, NC Age: 36 Posts: 4,460 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: kandyflip445 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I don't think I'm afraid of any law in using a gun to defend my home. I'm more afraid of where/who else I could possibly shoot in my home. I have my family here and not knowing where they are I don't think I could reasonably fire a weapon without knowing for sure I wouldn't hit one of them. But if I lived alone it would be different. __________________ My 240 vBgarage

08-13-2011, 11:01 AM	#65
BustedS13 Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Phoenix AZ Age: 36 Posts: 10,287 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i have a pump shotgun. i like to think that if someone broke in, they'd run away when i cock it. i could shoot somebody if they came at me with something, but it's not something i ever hope or expect to do. __________________

08-13-2011, 02:09 PM	#66
TheWolf Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange Park, FL (Jax) Posts: 1,468 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	no one has ever crapped their pants at the sound of a shot gun being cocked.. I would hope before you engaged the intruder you would have loaded a round.. a fail to feed would provide an opportunity for the intruder. __________________ Eye on the Prize

08-13-2011, 08:55 PM	#72
DS562 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Norwalk 90650 Posts: 1,151 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	dude, a 5 year would know the sound of a shotgun bein racked. if i broke into somebody's house and i heard that classic sound, i'd turn tail and fuckin book it. __________________ Zeeeeeeeee32

08-13-2011, 09:26 AM	#63
ch1873857 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Andrews Air Force Base Posts: 1,905 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	use frangible ammo. less collateral damage. you wont have to worry about shooting at someone and having rounds penetrating though 4 sheets of drywall into an innocent bystander aka your family.

08-13-2011, 06:32 PM	#69
rc1honda Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chicago Age: 39 Posts: 432 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Kill them. No bullshit, no fuss no questions. The only time i would even hesitate is if it was very obvious it was a kid or teenager then the kid might get a pass. If the person looks like a adult shoot until they are dead. Castle Law in Illinois states that under any circumstance threatening or not you can shoot a intruder. Word to the wise if you ever have to kill someone. DO NOT look at the body afterwards. Wait outside for the cops and leave the body. You do not want to remember that intruder as a person. You only wanna think about it as a target as a neutralized threat. Disassociate that person with a human. They were a target, a threat not a person. Don't look at the body and empathize with the person you just killed.

08-14-2011, 08:10 AM	#73
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Basic rule of thumb...if you're in a Democratic State, ie CA, you better be in fear for your life to kill them. If you're in a Republican state, ie TX, fuck em... I've seen enough stories in CA where they had a burglar in the house, the husband got his gun, went downstairs and shot the burglar in the garage as he was jumping in the car the take it with him, the husband got charged with 2nd degree murder. He wasnt in fear for his life, he was protecting his property. The whole California favors the criminal more than the victim, here's another example. There was a girl who was kidnapped and raped. She managed to escape when she ended up stabbing the guy over 100 times...she went to jail for that one because she stabbed the guy excessively. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

08-14-2011, 09:00 AM	#75
boosted98gst Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2006 Location: oceanside Age: 38 Posts: 389 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I had something happen in ohio, someone tried to break into my home but ended up running after I flipped the back yard lights on. I wish I had his face on a picture , it was really funny.

08-16-2011, 03:22 PM	#79
Walperstyle Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Alberta, Red Derp Age: 40 Posts: 1,729 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My Uncle has a Criminal Record because he punched out a man who broke into his basement many years ago. The man said in court that he was 'too drunk to realize it was not his house'. Personally, I'd let them get away with the crime, but I'd follow them back to where they live, and steal things from them. __________________ KA-T ORG-Function over Flush

08-16-2011, 07:24 PM	#80
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Beating this guys as should get you a medal not a criminal record. I wish I could have found the original. :/ __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

08-19-2011, 10:54 AM	#81
T chop Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver Posts: 325 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I haven't even most the comments but I can say most people are all talk and act like killing someone is so easy. The only way I would want to kill someone is if it was a kill or be killed situation.

08-20-2011, 02:28 AM	#85
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	great soundtrack to the 'naked burglar' vid.

08-20-2011, 06:48 PM	#86
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