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WhoNeedsTraction? · 04-28-2005, 05:05 AM

ok so im new to the 240 scene and i have a few questions. first ive been looking around at engine swaps and im looking for low-mid end power. ive heard the best choice is to go with the ka24det. i have an 89 fastback and i was wondering what parts would be needed to make a decent custom setup. i think somwhere around 220-270rwhp would be good for me. thanks for your time and any response would be greatly appreciated. also i have been browsing the posts for about two weeks and can't seem to find what im looking for. thanks.

s13gonwild · 04-28-2005, 05:29 AM

search around before you do any swap/KAT project and inform yourself on all you can.

As far as for the KAT you really need to have a healthy motor, i would recomend a comp check and leakdown test. And you have a KA24E so it wont be easy to get 220WHP with stock internals, You could eather use that, or swap in a KA24DE...and work with that... but just so you get an idea il give ya a small list of the major components...you dont have to follow the setup i give..but thats what i had for my KAT project..witch is no more..

you need the following

-manifold (ebay)
-turbo (use a t25 out from sr)
-Intercooler (stock sidemount?)
-piping (you can use the stock sr is you use the sr sidemount)
thats just of the top of my head..you need more than that
but its 5 am and im tired.... im gonna let you do some hw as well, but thats pretty much the basics feel free to PM me for help.

good luck

aznpoopy · 04-28-2005, 07:17 AM

if you want to go ka24det

#1 swap in a ka24de
#2 check out the ka24det sticky up top.

good luck

WhoNeedsTraction? · 04-28-2005, 12:32 PM

thanks guys. im still in the research phase still so im not planning to get my hands dirty soon. just checkin my options. thanks

S13 Charlie · 04-28-2005, 01:13 PM

'89 240sx, and new to the scene you say?.. Here's what I would suggest..

1. plugs, wires, fuel filter, oil change, seafoam treatment, O2 sensor and any other basic maintenance.
2. Assuming that you got this car for drifting, you should probably lower it. Coilovers are the best way, but for now you can get away with a good shock/spring combo.
3. Check your Tension/Compression rods, as the bushings are probably shot to hell. replace those with pillowball T/C rods.
4. Install Aluminum Subframe spacers.
(these two are both relatively cheap and very effective mods)
5. Learn how your car behaves at and beyond the limits of your setup.
6. If you can afford it, get an LSD of some sort.

Then...

Just have fun!

You don't need a whole heap of power to start drifting. It's all about control, but you'll probably not listen, and get a turbo kit and either blow your engine or wrap your 240 around a tree.

that's just my two cents..

s14 blacktop · 04-28-2005, 01:15 PM

actually ive seen some ka24e that put out some pretty impressive numbers I'll link it as soon as I find it..
here it is, it was on 240sx.org...
http://www.240sx.org/links/installs/turbo240/240sx.htm

sLip techniques · 04-28-2005, 02:26 PM

^ nice link, sohc turbo =

Maeda · 04-28-2005, 03:32 PM

KA-T is a waste of time for drift posers and bandwagon bunnies.

If you want to get started right away get some coilovers and an LSD.

Yoshi · 04-28-2005, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maeda

KA-T is a waste of time for drift posers and bandwagon bunnies.

If you want to get started right away get some coilovers and an LSD.

Get a good seat too or your but be doin dori-dori INSIDE the car while you doriiiiiiifto! I'm serious, try linking drifts in the OEM leather seats, my butt like to dori-dori while I'm gripping thru S-curves.

sideview_180sx · 04-28-2005, 06:45 PM

better yet try NICO or 240sxforums and ask them to see what works. I have heard great things from those who go to drifting.com too. very knowledgeable users on those sites. and they don't flame you.

zeek · 04-28-2005, 06:51 PM

or just do like me dont post much and use search button... Research for 6 months and you shouldnt ask any questions besides Installation help maybe..

SR240DET · 04-28-2005, 09:20 PM

hahahhahahah at all the posts above maeda.... most you guys really dont know too much at what you are talking about..

thread starter... go to ka-t.org and search... you will get better results... this forum is very good with everything else besides kats... ka-t.org doesnt have as many noobs that bought there 240sx because they saw it in a ricer mag and thought it was cool because it was drifting....

so...go to ka-t.org and search....because... you wont get people like that always posting new covered topics and make it harder to search for good already said information.......like you.... good luck...

WhoNeedsTraction? · 04-28-2005, 10:14 PM

ive already lowered it with springs and shocks (couldnt afford coil-overs yet). an just basic stuff like larger exhaust, intake and strut towers. i picked up the car because ive always liked the style of it. then i started getting into drifting (i still suck but hey i know my limits and im still learning). the reason im looking into a swap is i would just like some extra torque an power to throw around. its already fun to drive but has 180000+ miles on it and i would rather swap in a motor with more potential than rebuild what its got. also nice links. lotsa info. thanks again

infinitexsound · 04-29-2005, 03:30 AM

now its time to get a lsd or welded diff... i wouldnt advise getting a welded diff because of the area u live in... but i could be wrong...

more power is nice but entrance speed is a factor.... if u swap in a de, then your going to spend the extra amount to go turbo... if your on a budget i suggest ca18det. or sr20det.. ur choice...

Maeda · 04-29-2005, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SR240DET

hahahhahahah at all the posts above maeda.... most you guys really dont know too much at what you are talking about..

thread starter... go to ka-t.org and search... you will get better results... this forum is very good with everything else besides kats... ka-t.org doesnt have as many noobs that bought there 240sx because they saw it in a ricer mag and thought it was cool because it was drifting....

so...go to ka-t.org and search....because... you wont get people like that always posting new covered topics and make it harder to search for good already said information.......like you.... good luck...

Hey what about me? I'm an expert! j/k...

infinitexsound · 04-29-2005, 05:09 AM

yah u are maeda lol..... and so is everyone else lately........and where is the touge house? u guys happen to have a keg and a beer bong there?

s14 blacktop · 04-29-2005, 09:00 AM

Quote:

hahahhahahah at all the posts above maeda.... most you guys really dont know too much at what you are talking about..

and who are you to judge? I know more then you will ever know in your lifetime............

oh and considering your 6 years younger STFU...
damn kids...

sciamop · 04-29-2005, 09:50 AM

Get a good seat too or your but be doin dori-dori INSIDE the car while you doriiiiiiifto! I'm serious, try linking drifts in the OEM leather seats, my butt like to dori-dori while I'm gripping thru S-curves.

Wait 'til the leather disintegrates. The foam part of the seat is, actually, quite grippy!

For the original poster, welcome to the scene. I will now fly the "Search N00b" flag in your honor:

Todd
93 Coupe
91 SE-R

Andrew Bohan · 04-29-2005, 11:20 AM

why is this thread in existance? introduction is not tech, and there's a KA-T faq to read at the top of this section.

ghostuss · 04-29-2005, 11:31 AM

since it's SOHC, drive that shit to death and beat on it as much as you can until it just quits. Don't do any swaps or whatever engine work until you master ur shit. Stock is always more reliable as long as you maintain ur car so you don't have to worry about engine when you have a lot more to worry about. 180k is nothing. My Ka have 195k and still kicking strong at drift events and Interstate highways from San Diego to San Francisco every 3 month. So yea stick with ur motor and learn ur shit first.

SR240DET · 04-29-2005, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s14 blacktop

and who are you to judge? I know more then you will ever know in your lifetime............

oh and considering your 6 years younger STFU...
damn kids...

chill out.. i said most... that means.. not everybody... also meaning you!... because you provided good info.... geez.... when i go to the store ill buy you some johnson and johnson no tears shampoo....

Maeda · 04-29-2005, 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infinitexsound

yah u are maeda lol..... and so is everyone else lately........and where is the touge house? u guys happen to have a keg and a beer bong there?

Touge house is at the base of about 4 different mountain runs that we like to drive... By we I mean my housemates...

4 RWD + 1 FWD..

We like to drink too, but that usually happens on seperate nights before driving events.... Except me because my cars always broken I usually pussy out as far as track events go (I am the ultimate poser!).

Thats about it.

Lets close this thread!

04-28-2005, 12:32 PM	#4
WhoNeedsTraction? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington Age: 35 Posts: 19 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thanks guys. im still in the research phase still so im not planning to get my hands dirty soon. just checkin my options. thanks __________________ 240sx=Sweet!

04-28-2005, 01:15 PM	#6
s14 blacktop Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: down south, deep south Age: 41 Posts: 274 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: s14 blacktop Feedback Score: 0 reviews	actually ive seen some ka24e that put out some pretty impressive numbers I'll link it as soon as I find it.. here it is, it was on 240sx.org... http://www.240sx.org/links/installs/turbo240/240sx.htm __________________ I'm here to inform not to conform...

04-28-2005, 02:26 PM	#7
sLip techniques Zilvia Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: So Cal Posts: 292 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ nice link, sohc turbo = __________________ people on Zilvia need a big ol

04-28-2005, 03:32 PM	#8
Maeda Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Camp Snake Bite, CA RIP Posts: 2,356 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Maeda Feedback Score: 0 reviews	KA-T is a waste of time for drift posers and bandwagon bunnies. If you want to get started right away get some coilovers and an LSD. __________________

04-28-2005, 06:45 PM	#10
sideview_180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: somewhere north of mexico Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	better yet try NICO or 240sxforums and ask them to see what works. I have heard great things from those who go to drifting.com too. very knowledgeable users on those sites. and they don't flame you. __________________ feel the rythym. feel the ride. get on up. it's bobsled time. COOL RUNNINGS!!! formerly sideviewcivic Save a Horse. Drift This Cowboy. AirBag Club Member #0014

04-28-2005, 05:05 AM	#1
WhoNeedsTraction? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington Age: 35 Posts: 19 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	New to the scene ok so im new to the 240 scene and i have a few questions. first ive been looking around at engine swaps and im looking for low-mid end power. ive heard the best choice is to go with the ka24det. i have an 89 fastback and i was wondering what parts would be needed to make a decent custom setup. i think somwhere around 220-270rwhp would be good for me. thanks for your time and any response would be greatly appreciated. also i have been browsing the posts for about two weeks and can't seem to find what im looking for. thanks. __________________ 240sx=Sweet!

04-28-2005, 05:29 AM	#2
s13gonwild BANNED Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: cali Posts: 466 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	search around before you do any swap/KAT project and inform yourself on all you can. As far as for the KAT you really need to have a healthy motor, i would recomend a comp check and leakdown test. And you have a KA24E so it wont be easy to get 220WHP with stock internals, You could eather use that, or swap in a KA24DE...and work with that... but just so you get an idea il give ya a small list of the major components...you dont have to follow the setup i give..but thats what i had for my KAT project..witch is no more.. you need the following -manifold (ebay) -turbo (use a t25 out from sr) -Intercooler (stock sidemount?) -piping (you can use the stock sr is you use the sr sidemount) thats just of the top of my head..you need more than that but its 5 am and im tired.... im gonna let you do some hw as well, but thats pretty much the basics feel free to PM me for help. good luck Last edited by s13gonwild; 04-28-2005 at 05:58 AM..

04-28-2005, 07:17 AM	#3
aznpoopy Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Age: 40 Posts: 5,013 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	if you want to go ka24det #1 swap in a ka24de #2 check out the ka24det sticky up top. good luck

04-28-2005, 01:13 PM	#5
S13 Charlie Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 716 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	'89 240sx, and new to the scene you say?.. Here's what I would suggest.. 1. plugs, wires, fuel filter, oil change, seafoam treatment, O2 sensor and any other basic maintenance. 2. Assuming that you got this car for drifting, you should probably lower it. Coilovers are the best way, but for now you can get away with a good shock/spring combo. 3. Check your Tension/Compression rods, as the bushings are probably shot to hell. replace those with pillowball T/C rods. 4. Install Aluminum Subframe spacers. (these two are both relatively cheap and very effective mods) 5. Learn how your car behaves at and beyond the limits of your setup. 6. If you can afford it, get an LSD of some sort. Then... Just have fun! You don't need a whole heap of power to start drifting. It's all about control, but you'll probably not listen, and get a turbo kit and either blow your engine or wrap your 240 around a tree. that's just my two cents..

04-28-2005, 06:51 PM	#11
zeek Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 261 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	or just do like me dont post much and use search button... Research for 6 months and you shouldnt ask any questions besides Installation help maybe..

04-28-2005, 09:20 PM	#12
SR240DET Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: orida Posts: 1,488 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hahahhahahah at all the posts above maeda.... most you guys really dont know too much at what you are talking about.. thread starter... go to ka-t.org and search... you will get better results... this forum is very good with everything else besides kats... ka-t.org doesnt have as many noobs that bought there 240sx because they saw it in a ricer mag and thought it was cool because it was drifting.... so...go to ka-t.org and search....because... you wont get people like that always posting new covered topics and make it harder to search for good already said information.......like you.... good luck...

04-28-2005, 10:14 PM	#13
WhoNeedsTraction? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Washington Age: 35 Posts: 19 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ive already lowered it with springs and shocks (couldnt afford coil-overs yet). an just basic stuff like larger exhaust, intake and strut towers. i picked up the car because ive always liked the style of it. then i started getting into drifting (i still suck but hey i know my limits and im still learning). the reason im looking into a swap is i would just like some extra torque an power to throw around. its already fun to drive but has 180000+ miles on it and i would rather swap in a motor with more potential than rebuild what its got. also nice links. lotsa info. thanks again __________________ 240sx=Sweet!

04-29-2005, 03:30 AM	#14
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	now its time to get a lsd or welded diff... i wouldnt advise getting a welded diff because of the area u live in... but i could be wrong... more power is nice but entrance speed is a factor.... if u swap in a de, then your going to spend the extra amount to go turbo... if your on a budget i suggest ca18det. or sr20det.. ur choice... __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

04-29-2005, 05:09 AM	#16
infinitexsound Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: INtraweb Age: 39 Posts: 3,522 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yah u are maeda lol..... and so is everyone else lately........and where is the touge house? u guys happen to have a keg and a beer bong there? __________________ S14 TrackSlut coming to a raceway near you... 510 TimeAttack on its way...

04-29-2005, 09:50 AM	#18
sciamop Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Posts: 217 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Get a good seat too or your but be doin dori-dori INSIDE the car while you doriiiiiiifto! I'm serious, try linking drifts in the OEM leather seats, my butt like to dori-dori while I'm gripping thru S-curves. Wait 'til the leather disintegrates. The foam part of the seat is, actually, quite grippy! For the original poster, welcome to the scene. I will now fly the "Search N00b" flag in your honor: Todd 93 Coupe 91 SE-R

04-29-2005, 11:20 AM	#19
Andrew Bohan Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Location: Location Posts: 8,330 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	why is this thread in existance? introduction is not tech, and there's a KA-T faq to read at the top of this section.

04-29-2005, 11:31 AM	#20
ghostuss Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Diego/San Francisco Age: 35 Posts: 1,337 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	since it's SOHC, drive that shit to death and beat on it as much as you can until it just quits. Don't do any swaps or whatever engine work until you master ur shit. Stock is always more reliable as long as you maintain ur car so you don't have to worry about engine when you have a lot more to worry about. 180k is nothing. My Ka have 195k and still kicking strong at drift events and Interstate highways from San Diego to San Francisco every 3 month. So yea stick with ur motor and learn ur shit first. __________________ 96 all suspension s14 SOLD 90 s13 coupe - SOLD Currently rocking 2002 BMW M3 w/ custom suspension. ButtonWillow, CA entire circuit drift/grip event by shock drifting spot for sale. Take over my spot for $150 only.

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