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GSXRJJordan · 01-03-2009, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

Yeah ive got all that.. I just wanna get the bottom end complete.

Ive already got

T3/T4 turbo with all the other etc needed for a kit.
255LPH fuel pump
460CC RX7 Injectors but i think i might get some bran new injectors not sure yet
I have yet to get FPR
i have stock ecu tuned with e-prom. Im looking forward to upgrade to the greddy emanage to cancel the MAF and have a better controll over everything under the hood.

Unless the Emanage is different for SOHC's than all other motors, it's a piggy-back. Keep a MAF, piggyback's with MAP sensors are not nearly as good as standalone's made for MAP sensors.

Glad you've already got some other things, but you realize those could all go on a SR with just a head gasket and make WAY more power, right?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

How did you find that out?? I think thats sad... SOHC in my sight are beautiful engines.... in a way a dream engine for drifters...

super easy to work on. Low maintanace and torque.... You may need a diff motor if you heading forthe high MPH drifts but this engine to me is perfect for a beginner.

Dude you need to take a step back with the "dream engine" crap. Not to intentionally burst your bubble any more, but they're a horrible choice for a drifting motor - no power (unless you spend lots of $$$ first), not any easier to work on than any other motor, narrow powerband (that's the biggest one for me - SR/RB powerband are much wider). They're cheap, that's the only plus.

Like I said, find me one person that's gone from SOHC to another engine (any engine) and likes the SOHC better.

BoostSlideWayz · 01-03-2009, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Unless the Emanage is different for SOHC's than all other motors, it's a piggy-back. Keep a MAF, piggyback's with MAP sensors are not nearly as good as standalone's made for MAP sensors.

Glad you've already got some other things, but you realize those could all go on a SR with just a head gasket and make WAY more power, right?

Dude you need to take a step back with the "dream engine" crap. Not to intentionally burst your bubble any more, but they're a horrible choice for a drifting motor - no power (unless you spend lots of $$$ first), not any easier to work on than any other motor, narrow powerband (that's the biggest one for me - SR/RB powerband are much wider). They're cheap, that's the only plus.

Like I said, find me one person that's gone from SOHC to another engine (any engine) and likes the SOHC better.

Well theres the guy that took his DOHC out for the SOHC.... and since hes been driving the car for 3 years on track only with not internal engine problems that to me is good enough to build my car... from my experiance i like the way the KA works any feels. when it was boosted before it stopped starting it drove good and pulled way hard. i was happy.. unfrotunatly the outer plugs were the only ones that were sparking for some reason and it jus wouldnt start so i decided to do this..

spencer240sx · 01-04-2009, 12:28 AM

I went from sr20det to a ka24e and i love that motor done 3 events on it with know problems ran HTM with it....
I think it ie a great motor to start on and learn how to drive becuse if you can drive with it and get good just wait till you get some power.

GSXRJJordan · 01-04-2009, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spencer240sx

I went from sr20det to a ka24e and i love that motor done 3 events on it with know problems ran HTM with it....
I think it ie a great motor to start on and learn how to drive becuse if you can drive with it and get good just wait till you get some power.

I respect your opinion, but I'm guessing:

1) You went from SR to KA-E because you fucked your SR, right?
2) Driving a turd to become a better driver is not the topic of this conversation.

BigVinnie · 01-04-2009, 01:05 AM

I would say to do this as a parts list.

Bottom End Assembly
Ishihara and Johnson crank scrapper and windage tray
Bullnose and knife edge crank shaft (drops about 3 lb.s)
eagle rods
cp pistons (9.0:1 CR)
datsun/nissan L28 oil pump, or TOGA HV oil pump
bearings
seals/gaskets

Top End Assembly
solid adjustable lifters
Crower camshaft
.020 valve enlargement on exhaust valves
.010 valve enlargement on intake valves
Port and extrude intake ports
seals/gaskets

Bolt on modifications
Chromoly or aluminum flywheel
exsessive intake manifold
JGS exhaust manifold
HX35 holset turbo
silvia intercooler
1G blow off valve
platinum spark plugs
stage 2 clutch kit
electric fan kit

Fuel management
440cc injectors top feed
project silvia top feed fuel rail or honda prelude fuel rail
circuit sports 255 fuel pump
fuel pressure regulator

engine management
enthalapy tune
boost controller
turbo timer
N60 MAF

Matej · 01-04-2009, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrbump

I was under the impression that the single cam was put in that car solely for the purpose of driving it to a meet to help sell it. Not for any love of single cams.

I don't want to put words in the owners or the shop that had it's mouths but that was my understanding.

Nothing cooler than a stock KA24E with a cone filter in a Blister S14 on 19's.

BigVinnie · 01-04-2009, 10:22 AM

Half of you guys in this forum are idiots.
Boostslidewayz wants to build up a KA24E-T.
I would rather go with the ka24de, or VQ myself but that is my preference, just as the KA24e is his prefrence.
Any way it comes down to most of you clowns don't understand the heritage behind some of the greatest racing engines of all times.
your stuck in your little wanna be drifter lifestyle's where sr's are the shit, KA's suck attitude.
Half of you guys in this forum need to get your head out of your asses.

The KA engine has been used in more US motorsports than the sr has. But then again most of you kiddies are stuck watching Initial D, or the touge challenge.

It's also been built to hold down more than 300WHP naturally aspirated.
Almost 600WHP boosted for the ka24(e)
Over 900WHP for the KA24(de)
On a naturally aspirated build the KA is cheaper than the sr.
On a boosted build sure it cost a little bit more to build up the KA. When it's all said and done though chances are it will make more power than the sr that came F.O.B.

Help this guy out with his build, have some positive things to say or get the fuck out.
In the process you are just ridiculing him when you talk down to his ideas, it makes all of you pieces of shit.

ixfxi · 01-04-2009, 11:01 AM

yeah yeah.... talk talk talk.

the ka24e is still a big pile of shit. i owned one WAY too long to know.

of course, put money into it and im sure you can make it a much better motor, but at what cost?

i believe its wise to research these costs before dumping money into a fucking SINGLE CAM MOTOR.

twin cam is the way to go.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

Half of you guys in this forum are idiots.
Boostslidewayz wants to build up a KA24E-T.
I would rather go with the ka24de, or VQ myself but that is my preference, just as the KA24e is his prefrence.
Any way it comes down to most of you clowns don't understand the heritage behind some of the greatest racing engines of all times.
your stuck in your little wanna be drifter lifestyle's where sr's are the shit, KA's suck attitude.
Half of you guys in this forum need to get your head out of your asses.

The KA engine has been used in more US motorsports than the sr has. But then again most of you kiddies are stuck watching Initial D, or the touge challenge.

It's also been built to hold down more than 300WHP naturally aspirated.
Almost 600WHP boosted for the ka24(e)
Over 900WHP for the KA24(de)
On a naturally aspirated build the KA is cheaper than the sr.
On a boosted build sure it cost a little bit more to build up the KA. When it's all said and done though chances are it will make more power than the sr that came F.O.B.

Help this guy out with his build, have some positive things to say or get the fuck out.
In the process you are just ridiculing him when you talk down to his ideas, it makes all of you pieces of shit.

jrbump · 01-04-2009, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

How did you find that out?? I think thats sad...

I know the owner of the car (at that time) and the owner of the shop it was at. That's what the shop owner told me. LOL, it blew black clouds too, it was tired as fuck. as they tend to be.

*e1_griego* · 01-04-2009, 04:17 PM

Since I actually did all the research, spent the money, did the build, drove it for 9k miles or so, then sold it (and bought an SR), I DO have room to talk. I would just recommend going a different route. Without a lot of headwork the motor chokes off sorta quick, leaving you with a somewhat limited powerband.

Heritage means fuckall in this instance. The racing single cams were like 14:1 comp motors that lasted for 24hr between rebuilds. Yes they made huge power with sidedrafts carbs, but that's not the goal here.

Single cam turbos have also put down like 720whp, but that's not to say that any ol' motor can make that kind of power, even without figuring in the reliability aspect.

In any event, to the OP, good luck if you pursue this route. You WILL learn a lot but you will also spend some decent coin if you do it right.

BoostSlideWayz · 01-04-2009, 05:43 PM

I do plan on spending my money on top quality parts and having a shop help me/guide me the right way so i have a some what reliable motor. im sure 330HP wouldnt be too hard on the SOHC would it??

Im hearing almost equal amounts of oppinions about how the KA is good and bad but ive got some good info on the motor so i think i might just build it...

I plan on ordering the parts soon for the bottom end. then ill have the head ported,stage 2 cam, valve train etc. maybe even upgraded intake manifold ha. thad be cool in my eyes.

Thanks guys for all the info and opinions i greatly appriciate it and will use everything youve told me and keep it in thought when im doing the build...

thanks again

-Kody

Z33dori · 01-04-2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

Yeah i think SOHC boosted looks sick. heres what mine looked like before i took it out..

damn that looks nice

OP....DO it... also as it is built correctly (aka take your time, double check, triple check everything) then it will hold up great....

BigVinnie · 01-04-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixfxi

of course, put money into it and im sure you can make it a much better motor, but at what cost?

i believe its wise to research these costs before dumping money into a fucking SINGLE CAM MOTOR.

Build what you like man.
Think outside the BOX.

You can build a single cam actually cheaper than what it takes for me to get my dual cam parts. It's cheaper to build a SOHC than it is to build up an sr20.
Theres an abundance of parts from the nissan parts BIN (L28, NAPSZ) that can be modified for the KAE, not the KADE which is cheaper nd better.

the only thing I don't like about the SOHC is that it uses lifters.....Oh what a minute........Isn't that a motherfucker, the sr20det uses piece of shit lifters also...

The only shitty thing about the sohc on any realistic level is that you can't adjust valve overlaps like you can with the DOHC. Also without solid lifters it's limited to it's rev range of about 6800RPM.

Other than that you can port the living shit out of it, get mopre flow out of it than a DOHC, use larger valves and call it a day.

J40sx · 01-04-2009, 08:42 PM

go for it

if more people, like yoursel,f build up the sohc for turbo,
maybe big brand names (trusted) will make more and even better parts
for the motor, as they have done for the dual cam KA's

BoostSlideWayz · 01-05-2009, 01:28 AM

Good news guys, I should be ordering the parts tomorrow. The bottom end parts that is..

Do you think the stock crank can handle 300+ ?? i would like to have room for more HP later on when i need it.

parts tomorrow should be:

pistons... O & J Performance KA24E/DE Pistons

I was thinking 89.5mm 8.8 CR for the pistons ? let me know what a better C.R. should be best for my application

rods-eagle- O & J Performance Connecting Rods

crank bearings- O & J Performance Engine Bearings

rod bearings

and later on when i get alittle more money ill start on the top end.

thanks guys

BoostSlideWayz · 01-05-2009, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z33dori

damn that looks nice

OP....DO it... also as it is built correctly (aka take your time, double check, triple check everything) then it will hold up great....

lol why thank you, its alot better than when i first got the car..

1992 nissan 240sx BIG project Video by KODY-T.S.W - MySpace Video
^ lol im not crazy i was just excited i got it for 800 bucks. it had a front end but i took it off to do the S15 conversion

Then 4 maybe 5 months later lol long time and it still ran ruff.

Sea Foam Nissan 240SX Video by KODY-T.S.W - MySpace Video

LOL i am not proud of these videos what so ever but i think there funny

BigVinnie · 01-05-2009, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

Good news guys, I should be ordering the parts tomorrow. The bottom end parts that is..

Do you think the stock crank can handle 300+ ??

Stock crank can handle 400HP. Its a forged steel crank shaft.

BoostSlideWayz · 01-05-2009, 01:25 PM

Ohh ok, thanks

*burnsauto* · 01-05-2009, 01:36 PM

Yes, as kevin stated, they use them in GT3 SCCA racing and yes, it is that awesome.

*s13 @ fullboost* · 01-05-2009, 01:39 PM

That must sound so nice ^^

ChicagoS14 · 01-05-2009, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

or don't waste your money

Or don't speak if you don't have any experience or any opinions worth posting. Stick to your SR and be happy.

ChicagoS14 · 01-05-2009, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

Sooo, the only place i can seem to find is a site called.

O & J Performance Home Page

They seem to have everything i need to do this build.

I deffinatly want to cancel the MAF and go maybe... greddy emanage ??

im probly gonna need a new wirring harness because the one that i have now is given up since the weather is so cold everything is cracked and just not in good condition at all..

This is not the forum for these kind of questions, if you want real experiences and opinions join up here:

KA-T.org - The Home of 1000+ whp/7 sec Turbo KA's - they have a whole section dedicated to SOHC motors and contrary to all these JDM SR fan boys KA motors both DOHC and SOHC can handle power very nicely and will easily embarrass an SR.

Edgar · 01-05-2009, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoS14

Or don't speak if you don't have any experience or any opinions worth posting. Stick to your SR and be happy.

that scca car gave me bones

ChicagoS14 · 01-05-2009, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

Yeah when i was driving mine around it was really fun. Except the fact the injectors were stock so it was hitting fuel cut almost soon as it boosted. But the engine was getting the oil dirty and fouling the plugs sooooo fast it was getting on my nerves. I think the valve stem seals were gone cuz there was alittle oil in the turbo manifold when i took the motor out..

If you get the right parts and do the most important part: TUNE THE CAR then it will be smooth, reliable and very fun to drive. Its even more fun to spank SRs and have SR owners ask you what you have done on your SR and then pop your hood to show a KA.

ChicagoS14 · 01-05-2009, 02:17 PM

Heres a sexi car, even though its running a DOHC KA:

KA-T.org - The Home of 1000+ whp/7 sec Turbo KA's

But getting back to sexi SOHC KAs:

BoostSlideWayz · 01-05-2009, 02:36 PM

mmmmm i see some awesome looking cars on here..

deffinatly way more fun to look at then seeing an SR everytime.

ESmorz · 01-05-2009, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

deffinatly way more fun to look at then seeing an SR everytime.

Definitely? Why?

GSXRJJordan · 01-05-2009, 04:34 PM

Lol, this started out as a discussion of what was cheaper to get what you want done.

Now it's a parade of high-$$$ Ka-T's, and you're doing exactly the opposite of what everyone said to do (you're buying parts piecemeal, instead of waiting until you get all the $$$ and then making a decision).

I'm unsubscribing and going on with my life.

Om1kron · 01-05-2009, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigVinnie

Help this guy out with his build, have some positive things to say or get the fuck out.
In the process you are just ridiculing him when you talk down to his ideas, it makes all of you pieces of shit.

thanks for saving my time... =)

BoostSlideWayz · 01-05-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Lol, this started out as a discussion of what was cheaper to get what you want done.

Now it's a parade of high-$$$ Ka-T's, and you're doing exactly the opposite of what everyone said to do (you're buying parts piecemeal, instead of waiting until you get all the $$$ and then making a decision).

I'm unsubscribing and going on with my life.

Yes but basicly completing the bottom end will make it so i only have to worry about that. i think its a smart move. my previous post about should i buy part by part was meaning literally only buy one piece at a time. buying the whole bottom end is making it easier on me cuz then i have a virtually complete engine.

01-04-2009, 01:05 AM	#95
BigVinnie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Walnut Crizzle, Crackifornia Age: 42 Posts: 1,266 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: BigVinnie Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would say to do this as a parts list. Bottom End Assembly Ishihara and Johnson crank scrapper and windage tray Bullnose and knife edge crank shaft (drops about 3 lb.s) eagle rods cp pistons (9.0:1 CR) datsun/nissan L28 oil pump, or TOGA HV oil pump bearings seals/gaskets Top End Assembly solid adjustable lifters Crower camshaft .020 valve enlargement on exhaust valves .010 valve enlargement on intake valves Port and extrude intake ports seals/gaskets Bolt on modifications Chromoly or aluminum flywheel exsessive intake manifold JGS exhaust manifold HX35 holset turbo silvia intercooler 1G blow off valve platinum spark plugs stage 2 clutch kit electric fan kit Fuel management 440cc injectors top feed project silvia top feed fuel rail or honda prelude fuel rail circuit sports 255 fuel pump fuel pressure regulator engine management enthalapy tune boost controller turbo timer N60 MAF __________________

01-04-2009, 10:22 AM	#97
BigVinnie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Walnut Crizzle, Crackifornia Age: 42 Posts: 1,266 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: BigVinnie Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Half of you guys in this forum are idiots. Boostslidewayz wants to build up a KA24E-T. I would rather go with the ka24de, or VQ myself but that is my preference, just as the KA24e is his prefrence. Any way it comes down to most of you clowns don't understand the heritage behind some of the greatest racing engines of all times. your stuck in your little wanna be drifter lifestyle's where sr's are the shit, KA's suck attitude. Half of you guys in this forum need to get your head out of your asses. The KA engine has been used in more US motorsports than the sr has. But then again most of you kiddies are stuck watching Initial D, or the touge challenge. It's also been built to hold down more than 300WHP naturally aspirated. Almost 600WHP boosted for the ka24(e) Over 900WHP for the KA24(de) On a naturally aspirated build the KA is cheaper than the sr. On a boosted build sure it cost a little bit more to build up the KA. When it's all said and done though chances are it will make more power than the sr that came F.O.B. Help this guy out with his build, have some positive things to say or get the fuck out. In the process you are just ridiculing him when you talk down to his ideas, it makes all of you pieces of shit. __________________

01-04-2009, 05:43 PM	#101
BoostSlideWayz Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lebec Age: 32 Posts: 1,686 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I do plan on spending my money on top quality parts and having a shop help me/guide me the right way so i have a some what reliable motor. im sure 330HP wouldnt be too hard on the SOHC would it?? Im hearing almost equal amounts of oppinions about how the KA is good and bad but ive got some good info on the motor so i think i might just build it... I plan on ordering the parts soon for the bottom end. then ill have the head ported,stage 2 cam, valve train etc. maybe even upgraded intake manifold ha. thad be cool in my eyes. Thanks guys for all the info and opinions i greatly appriciate it and will use everything youve told me and keep it in thought when im doing the build... thanks again -Kody __________________ 1994 toyota supra...... n-a D= 1992 nissan 240sx KA24E-T fully Built =D

01-04-2009, 08:42 PM	#104
J40sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Santa ana Posts: 515 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	go for it if more people, like yoursel,f build up the sohc for turbo, maybe big brand names (trusted) will make more and even better parts for the motor, as they have done for the dual cam KA's __________________ dying is only living, dying to live

01-05-2009, 01:28 AM	#105
BoostSlideWayz Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lebec Age: 32 Posts: 1,686 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Good news guys, I should be ordering the parts tomorrow. The bottom end parts that is.. Do you think the stock crank can handle 300+ ?? i would like to have room for more HP later on when i need it. parts tomorrow should be: pistons... O & J Performance KA24E/DE Pistons I was thinking 89.5mm 8.8 CR for the pistons ? let me know what a better C.R. should be best for my application rods-eagle- O & J Performance Connecting Rods crank bearings- O & J Performance Engine Bearings rod bearings and later on when i get alittle more money ill start on the top end. thanks guys __________________ 1994 toyota supra...... n-a D= 1992 nissan 240sx KA24E-T fully Built =D

01-04-2009, 12:28 AM	#93
spencer240sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: north hollywood Age: 41 Posts: 367 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I went from sr20det to a ka24e and i love that motor done 3 events on it with know problems ran HTM with it.... I think it ie a great motor to start on and learn how to drive becuse if you can drive with it and get good just wait till you get some power.

01-04-2009, 04:17 PM	#100
e1_griego Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Independence, Ore. Age: 36 Posts: 2,642 Trader Rating: (24) Feedback Score: 24 reviews	Since I actually did all the research, spent the money, did the build, drove it for 9k miles or so, then sold it (and bought an SR), I DO have room to talk. I would just recommend going a different route. Without a lot of headwork the motor chokes off sorta quick, leaving you with a somewhat limited powerband. Heritage means fuckall in this instance. The racing single cams were like 14:1 comp motors that lasted for 24hr between rebuilds. Yes they made huge power with sidedrafts carbs, but that's not the goal here. Single cam turbos have also put down like 720whp, but that's not to say that any ol' motor can make that kind of power, even without figuring in the reliability aspect. In any event, to the OP, good luck if you pursue this route. You WILL learn a lot but you will also spend some decent coin if you do it right.

01-05-2009, 01:25 PM	#108
BoostSlideWayz Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lebec Age: 32 Posts: 1,686 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ohh ok, thanks __________________ 1994 toyota supra...... n-a D= 1992 nissan 240sx KA24E-T fully Built =D

01-05-2009, 01:36 PM	#109
burnsauto Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 717, PA Age: 35 Posts: 3,157 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: burnsauto Feedback Score: 5 reviews	Yes, as kevin stated, they use them in GT3 SCCA racing and yes, it is that awesome. __________________

01-05-2009, 01:39 PM	#110
s13 @ fullboost Spirit Of Ecstasy Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 2,531 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	That must sound so nice ^^ __________________

01-05-2009, 02:17 PM	#115
ChicagoS14 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Chicago Age: 34 Posts: 695 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Heres a sexi car, even though its running a DOHC KA: KA-T.org - The Home of 1000+ whp/7 sec Turbo KA's But getting back to sexi SOHC KAs: __________________ 95 240SX 1JZGTE \| SC300 2JZGE daily www.240sxguide.com

01-05-2009, 02:36 PM	#116
BoostSlideWayz Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lebec Age: 32 Posts: 1,686 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	mmmmm i see some awesome looking cars on here.. deffinatly way more fun to look at then seeing an SR everytime. __________________ 1994 toyota supra...... n-a D= 1992 nissan 240sx KA24E-T fully Built =D

01-05-2009, 04:34 PM	#118
GSXRJJordan Post Whore! Join Date: May 2006 Location: << 626 >> Posts: 9,135 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: GSXRJJordan Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Lol, this started out as a discussion of what was cheaper to get what you want done. Now it's a parade of high-$$$ Ka-T's, and you're doing exactly the opposite of what everyone said to do (you're buying parts piecemeal, instead of waiting until you get all the $$$ and then making a decision). I'm unsubscribing and going on with my life. __________________ Jordan Innovations has a new web site! www.JordanInnovations.com -- All your favorite FD Pro Drifters love it, trust me -- www.JordanInnovations.com

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