81 points

[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

ahhhh i cant belive kobe scored 81 points. omg man i just cant believe this. soo crazy. yet ionno it still gets to me, what if he becomes better than jordan.

[Jeff240sx]

what if he becomes better than jordan.

Ha. Can't and won't happen. Could he make better stats than MJ, maybe. Could he be a better player, a better rolemodel, a better team anchor and NBA ambassador? Not a chance in hell. Players do have a greater impact than the sum of their stats. And nobody in the current league will ever hold a candle to what Jordan has done for it.
Kobe.. has alot of talent. When he was drafted he was said to be 'the next Jordan'. But, recent non-NBA court issues have all but killed the hope he would give the same ammount to the NBA that Jordan did. And the recent tiff with O'Neil shows that he isn't a team player. And don't tell me that Shaq started it or anything, because Bryant had to share his court with one hall of fame player. Who did Jordan share it with? Pippen, one of the greatest forwards ever. Rodman, a flambouyant, outspoken player with the rebound record. One of the better 3-point shooting guards. Jordan shared the spotlight and the stats, and never had bullshit hissy fits with other HOF players.
Kobe be better than Jordan? Not in my lifetime.
-Jeff

[revat619]

Jordan didnt have problems with the other players because they knew he was the go to guy and that their combined efforts as a team would win games. Kobe AND Shaq were both hard headed and thats what killed the team. It was BOTH their faults that they had their problems. (I'm referring to when they played together) Listen to Shaq talk. He's got the biggest head in the league and he's a completely one dimensional player. He really has nothing to brag about. He's not THAT good. But alas, i agree with you. Kobe nor will any other player EVER come close to Jordan status. Talent wise maybe, but overall? Not a chance in hell.

[Andrew Bohan]

81 points... jeez, that's as much as a whole team for some games... what was the final score

/me goes to some news site

ok 122-104. so the rest of the team combined only had 41 points. not bad.
wonder when chamberlain's 100 will be beaten

[TurDz]

From a pure energy & skill standpoint, he was amazing tonight. But against the Raptors??

Otherwise, like everyone else said (and it's getting very old), he isn't a team player. Think of all the individual defensemen in the league who frustrated him and held him to poor shooting. Q.Rich, Dunleavy, Kevin Martin & Garcia.

The examples of when he's guarded heavily and what he does with the ball shows what kind of player he is. He knows he could easily draw in the D and create a good pass opportunity, but rarely does he do it.

My roommate told me how frustrated and angry he was when he didn't get the ball on one of last shots...he made this face at him and reacted childishly. I think Odom took the shot. Anyway, yeah...

great player, super props. Someone I respect for skills, yes. As a team player, not really...

[revat619]

I think he'd be a better team player if he didnt have a team that stands around waiting for him to make the moves night in and night out. Odom, for example, has the tools to be an awesome player, but he dicks around all the time. The rest of the team just lacks experience. Tonight was a prime example. Even with their inexperience, there's no way they should have been getting blown out in the first half by the friggin Raptors. Kobe has to take control of games in order for them to win. Kobe doesnt trust the other guys and i would feel the exact same way in his situation. Until the other guys decide to step up their intensity, i cant blame kobe for doing what he has to do in order for his team to win games.

[ohnobigtdawg]

come on man 81 point but only 2 assist.... wack!.. rather have 45 points 14 assist... but he was shooting 60% i believe.. that is pretty outrageous

[revat619]

well once kobe got hot and they took the lead, the rest of the guys stopped trying on offense (assuming they were trying in the first place...the first half was a joke.) If you watch the replays, you'll see that they just stand around and watch him. And for whatever reason though, they actually started playing defense when he started bringing them back. That makes no sense at all.

[m072514]

kobe is sick. fuggin nasty. end of story.

[exitspeed]

That's retarded! 81 points! DAMN!

[mistaanime]

lol..81 points...easy..just hog the ball through out the whole game...

[Phlip]

lol..81 points...easy..just hog the ball through out the whole game...
Wrong, he scored 55 in the SECOND half. This was, as Revat619 previously said, in the context of winning the game. I actually spoke with Jay about this about 3 this morning and my argument was far from against Kobe. Imagine yourself as a coach; you have a player who has gotten hot enough to be shooting at a 60%+ clip, you allow that invidual to keep shooting, plain and simple.
If you are that player, surround by a bunch of roleplayers who seem to be content to not play their roles, then you hike up 46 shots in the game and score 81 points for the win.
No, Kobe will not be Jordan, despite his every effort to get as much advertising money, shoe deals, being an outward face of the game, sharing Jordan's offensive killer instinct, being a pure asshole on and off the court, extrmarital affairs, championships, scoring titles and lord knows what else. Jordan was Jordan, Kobe is Kobe, Lebron will be Lebron. We have seen the one Jordan that we will have in our lifetimes as far as impact on the game, but why people won't let shit be what it is is anybody's guess.
Shaq wants Kobe to fail, everyone seems to want the Lakers to fail as long as he is there, games like this KILL them. The fact, here, is that Kobe has never won a championship without Shaq, Shaq has never won one without Kobe. The fact here is that Shaq WON'T win one this season, or anytime soon if detroit keeps playing like they're playing. Shaq has been far too busy playing cops & robbers with Dade county's money in the offseason to actually do some fucking conditioning so he doesn't spenf the first part of every season overweight and/or injured and hurting the team trying to play himself into shape. The Lakers, on the other hand, are another piece in the triangle that Lamar Odom seems to refuse to want to be from being back there, since they WILL see the playoffs this year and would probably be the most DANGEROUS 6 seed we have seen in a while in doing so.


... that is all for now.

[ALTRNTV]

I agree with everything PHLIP said. If you're hot shooting, and the rest of your teammates are just giving you the ball, hell, why not shoot it?

About the Kobe-Jordan comparison, Kobe will never be Jordan. I never really liked Jordan, but I can't deny the things he can do on and off the court. I honestly think that he CAN be better than Jordan, but if he doesn't, who cares?

Shaq will not win another championship ever in his lifetime, with the Heat. Kobe on the other hand, hasn't even reached his prime, I don't think. Shaq's prime was the years he won championships with the Lakers. Kobe's only going to get better.

How about them Dodgers?

[NemeGuero]

I couldn't believe they were even thinking about comparing LeBron James to Jordan...

Now THAT shit is just rediculous.

[ALTRNTV]

Lebron, unlike Kobe and Michael, is a one-dimensional player. All he can do is score. He can't defend or anything.

[NemeGuero]

Yah, screw that guy. "King" James my ass.

[ALTRNTV]

You gotta admit though, he's a human highlight reel and it's fun to watch him play. I prefer watching Kobe play, he can shoot from anywhere on the court. His offensive arsenal is not even funny. He has every shot you can think of. He can shoot right or left handed. He's also trying to improve every aspect of his game.

[NemeGuero]

Yah maybe. I probably just don't like him 'cuz of the whole hype about him becoming the best basketball player ever. Or so they said on ESPN the other day.

He just doesn't seem very fluid to me.

[woodchuck]

lol..81 points...easy..just hog the ball through out the whole game...

Iverson has some catching up to do.

[KiDyNomiTe]

This is why basketball has become boring...

[m072514]

kobe may or may not be the next jordan, but if you fault him for hogging the ball, its because he was pickup up his teammates' slack. of course, there is also the fact that nobody on that team is nearly championship material yet, although there is potential in people like lamar odom, and maybe even smush parker? haha. either way, there are laker fans, and there are laker haters. i was born and raised in LA as a fan, and support the franchise over any single player.

[ThatGuy]

Yah, screw that guy.

Fuck you too, Neme!





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[NemeGuero]

LOL! It gets funnier each time, I swear.

[ALTRNTV]

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[ohnobigtdawg]

micheal jordan and kobe bryant should never be in the same sentence.. end of story

[kuramaya]

ball hawg?:rofl:

[Phlip]

Ball hog? I thought I said it in my first post, but I will speak it a bit more succinctly this time around:
I imagined today that I was a coach in the NBA, you have aplayer with the hot hand and a killer instinct, paired with the drive to will your team back into a game they are losing and should not be. Now, that player HAPPENS to be shooting 60% or better. I proudly benched ANY motherfucker that put it in his mind to NOT give that individual the ball, plain and simple.


... another fact of the matter is that the very occurrence of an 81 point game will be something that legend is made of, it will be some shit we talk about for years to come, right up to and including what we were doing when it happened, like our grandfathers did when Chamberlain scored 100.


and by the way, did ANYONE notice that there was a 301-point game played between the Suns and Sonics at the same time?

[FRpilot]

Lebron, unlike Kobe and Michael, is a one-dimensional player. All he can do is score. He can't defend or anything.

actually, lebron is pretty good. he grabs boards, gets assists, shots fts pretty well, and drives the lane. so he's not just a scorer. he probably isnt that great of a defender yet, but he'll probably work on that. like sportscasters say 'a great talent with the combination of size and speed'

what i would do to get lebron on my fantasy team!!

on the other hand, i had the third pick in my league and i choose kobe. crazy, my team scored 888 points last week.. maybe i should have picked nowitzki or marion but im pretty satisfied with the numbers he puts up. but this season his assist and rebounds have gone down and his shooting percentage has gotton worst although he does rack up points. he's becoming an iversion.

[ALTRNTV]

and by the way, did ANYONE notice that there was a 301-point game played between the Suns and Sonics at the same time?

I don't think no one cared. :hyper:

[kuramaya]

Ball hog? I thought I said it in my first post, but I will speak it a bit more succinctly this time around:
I imagined today that I was a coach in the NBA, you have aplayer with the hot hand and a killer instinct, paired with the drive to will your team back into a game they are losing and should not be. Now, that player HAPPENS to be shooting 60% or better. I proudly benched ANY motherfucker that put it in his mind to NOT give that individual the ball, plain and simple.


... another fact of the matter is that the very occurrence of an 81 point game will be something that legend is made of, it will be some shit we talk about for years to come, right up to and including what we were doing when it happened, like our grandfathers did when Chamberlain scored 100.


and by the way, did ANYONE notice that there was a 301-point game played between the Suns and Sonics at the same time?

woah I am a Marine, I dont even know what succintly means :D It's all cool man..I am not really a big fan of anything other than Soccer when it comes to sports....still I can understand using your best player to win games...but someone on that team or more than one are feeling overshadowed..

[ALTRNTV]

but someone on that team or more than one are feeling overshadowed..

That can be said on any team with a superstar with the caliber of Kobe. That's just how it is. Just like how some bench players never play a single minute in a game.

[XxJaPxOxNeEs23xX]

micheal jordan and kobe bryant should never be in the same sentence.. end of story

u just put them in the same sentence.


but anyway im not hating on kobe, its just ionno i guess the fact of knowing that jordan was the best in the world, and someone in my life time might catch up? to me jordan is still the best player, jordan can lead the team as kobe really isnt stable of that yet. aand awards jordan got that kobe hasnt. but you guys think kobe is at his prime or no?

[ALTRNTV]

Kobe on the other hand, hasn't even reached his prime, I don't think.

I really don't think he's reached his prime yet. He's getting better and better every game. He constantly tries to improve every aspect of his game.

[ohnobigtdawg]

tell you the truth, you can never ever compare kobe bryant and michael jordan.. .. basketball has developed since 1985( Jordan Era) and 2006 (kobe Era), plays have become more sofisticated and there are more international players in the NBA then ever before meaning there is more competition and newer talent... its like comparing shaq to wilt chamerblin.. cant.. players have become bigger since then.. and again the game has developed.. end of story

[obsolete]

come on man 81 point but only 2 assist.... wack!.. rather have 45 points 14 assist...

you can't be serious

but i agree, it's a diff game now and a it's an even playing field. so many .500 teams

[Phlip]

tell you the truth, you can never ever compare kobe bryant and michael jordan.. .. basketball has developed since 1985( Jordan Era) and 2006 (kobe Era), plays have become more sofisticated and there are more international players in the NBA then ever before meaning there is more competition and newer talent... its like comparing shaq to wilt chamerblin.. cant.. players have become bigger since then.. and again the game has developed.. end of story
We'll be dead ass serious here;
If Kobe played during Jordan's era (now keep a mind on simply picking him up and placing him that era, nevermind the fact that Kobe readily admits that he worshipped Jordan and Magic as a child) AGAINST Jordan, how do you think it would go. Remember, please that the most MJ scored in a game was 69, remember as well that Kobe is ALSO a damned good on the ball defender and an athletic 6'7" 220 pound player. Physically, they are the same player, differed by generational differences. Kobe can and very damn well might accomplich more than Mike, but the fact of the matter is that if he had done the exact same thing as him this many years later, someone would be hustling backwards.

If Kobe had played during Chamberlain's time (again, keep the same copy/paste approach), this 81 point game would have been 200 points, because Wilt's only defenders saw a career 40something percent free throw shooter MAKING 28 free throws in that game.

Compare the fact that Kobe hit 7 3-pointers in this game... Fine, take 7 points away from him, 8 if you count the one he was fouled on, this 81 point game becomes 74 at the least. The win was by 18 points, the Lakers still win and he STILL makes history and puts on one hell of an entertaining display while doing it.

Reggie Miller said on ESPN Monday that anyone who does not recognize the impressive weight of this accomplishment is blindly disliking him in the face of something that we may very damn well not ever see again. That is REGGIE FUCKING MILLER, who has every reason to go on the record saying what in the hell ever he wants to smear half of the "pure shooters/scorers" in the league, if based only on his own name alone. There are legions of people who will go down in history as hating Reggie (who, by the way is now 4 1/2 seasons from the hall of fame) for some of the same reasons that they hate Kobe now; he was a good player, who often put the fatal blow to their favorite teams, he knew he was good and told you so and, perhaps worse of all, he did it damn near every time he was asked to do so.

[ALTRNTV]

You tell them PHLIP.

[mjjstang]

lets see what kobe can do against the pistons. prolly not much.

[revat619]

lets see what kobe can do against the pistons. prolly not much.

:jerkit:

You obviously havent been paying attention to anything that's been said throughout this thread so far... :rolleyes:

[sideview_180sx]

I just love the Lakers plain and simple Kobe has done extremely impressive in the past few games with an inhuman like hot streak. If he can maintain the intensity as close to as he has done in those games for the rest of the season. That will be unmistakeably astounding. (Yes bitches I love the lakers, back when pat riley made the slick-back wet hair look cool, and when tommy lasorda was slim)

[Phlip]

I just love the Lakers plain and simple Kobe has done extremely impressive in the past few games with an inhuman like hot streak. If he can maintain the intensity as close to as he has done in those games for the rest of the season. That will be unmistakeably astounding. (Yes bitches I love the lakers, back when pat riley made the slick-back wet hair look cool, and when tommy lasorda was slim)
I call bullshit, Tommy Lasorda was NEVER slim.

[ohnobigtdawg]

dont get me wrong, that was an awsome display from kobe, and i do admit that hes an awsome player.. come on man, im from LA and i have to like the lakers or ill get shot by die hard mexican laker fans(no offence to any mexicans but thats how it is).. butttttttttt, comparing mj and kobe is just wrong.. you cannot do that.. jordan had his own legacy and has no heir... same thing with lebron, he will never be the the heir of mj.. the whole idea of heirs is wrong in the nba.. you wouldnt compare jordan to magic? or magic to chamberlin?....now kobe can be his own legacy and lebron can be his own legacy someday.. but they should never be compared to mj and his legacy.