Explain why I should purchase a 240sx

[Aracknight]

I have been a Honda fan and owner for a long time. However, in the last couple of months my eyes have been opened to the potential of the 240sx. With that in mind, I have been considering selling my current project (93 Civic hatch) and purchasing a 95-96 240. I would like to hear some logical reasons why I should or should not do this. Please keep in mind that I would convert the 240 to Silvia specs (front end, SR20DET, etc). Thanks in advance. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;Oops, I meant S14. &nbsp;Sorry about that.

[BadMoJo]

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[West]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

Maybe I should make a FAQ for Honda people who think they want a 240.

Thanks SCC and Super Street! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

[Aracknight]

Yes, I admit SCC had a part in my consideration of a 240. &nbsp;However, my consideration of the 240 is genuine and serious. &nbsp;I wouldn't causually post this topic, and &nbsp;unlike many that just jump from project to project, I like to do a lot of research before making a decision. &nbsp;Mommy and daddy aren't subsidizing my automotive hobby, so I make sure I spend my money wisely.

I've been sifting through this site's FAQ's, but I'd like to hear more from people here. &nbsp;Problems, complaints, raves, and good 240 stories would all be appreciated and help in my decision. &nbsp;Thanks again.

[transient]

Honestly, I can't see what you're going to accomplish by asking this question here. No offense or anything, but every bit of information you need to know to make your decision on whether to buy it or not is out there already. Stories, comments and little opinions here and there really aren't going to tell you much.

At any rate, I think one reason people immediately turned their noses up at this topic is that the very first thing you mentioned was an s15 conversion, then you mentioned the SR swap. Both of these used to be a bit of an underground thing. Not many people even knew about the 240sx period, but now it's getting to be commonplace, and that really sucks for some of us die hard fans that are into the car because of the car itself, and not because it's the latest fucking fad.

I'm not saying that you are one of those people that are just getting into it because other people are, but the way you started off... well, i'm sure you can see where i'm coming from.

Anyway, as far as things you need to know about the car, there's a massive FAQ at 240sx.org and we've got a FAQ section here that is growing day by day as well. Most of your questions should be answered in one of those if not both.

So why the SR swap anyway? I mean, it seems as though you basically know nothing about the car, which not a bad thing, people can't be expected to know every single piece of information in the world, but if that's the case, why are you immediately looking to do an engine swap?

[ca18guy]

Quit jumping on a bandwagon and think for yourself.

[Aracknight]

Actually, I meant to say S14. My bad. Yes, I have a lot to learn about Nissans and I readily admit it.

When I was looking for a project, I wanted RWD and factory turbo. Obviously, Honda has neither, excluding the RWD S2000. My budget is limited, so I needed a car that would be efficient, cheap, and reliable which is why I ended up with the Civic. Nothing else I found fit my criteria and looked good in my eyes.

When I looked at USDM 240's I thought they were weak. When I began to hear about their JDM brothers, however, I began to change my mind. I am planning a motor swap in the Civic, so swaps don't seem like that big of a deal. Plus, I hear the SR20's are solid motors with plenty of potential. My first concern would be improving the suspension and brakes to accomodate the motor swap down the road.

I have never seen a nice 240 in person, so they aren't becoming commonplace in my area. There aren't many stock ones around for that matter.

[boosteds14]

dont get a 240sx, they suck. hondas are better stick with them. lol

ooo aaa sr-power. lol

hey man, just do what u think is best for u. dont let magazines and ppl change your mind in getting a 240sx or not. it is your choice. depends what &nbsp;u want to do with the car that should tell u if you should buy it or not. not that you want the conversion and drop in an sr. but if you will be using it for autox, daily driver, drag, weekend car, etc.

[gregshin]

damn would someone cut this guy some slack...i will always welcome a new nissan owner...welcome aboard! Have you ever thought about a 2nd generation RX-7 also for a project car? hit me up anytime on AIM or email if you have any questions on S13's, S14's, S15, bodies and engines and parts KA and SR

[Aracknight]

I plan on auto-xing my current car, and would continue if I purchased a 240. &nbsp;RWD has always seemed much more fun than my FWD Honda's. &nbsp;Miatas are too small, RX-7's rotaries are cool but I don't want to mess with them, and I am not a big fan of domestics.

I don't care what the magazines say is cool or not, they simply showed me the potential of a car. &nbsp;If I was influenced by their idea of cool, I'd have a turbo'ed GSR with 18" chrome rims and four 10" subs in the back. &nbsp;Oh, and don't forget a big bottle of N2O. &nbsp;

Personally, I don't really care for the looks of a stock USDM 240, but I think the JDM S14 front looks very nice. &nbsp;Plus, they are much, much more rare than any Honda/Acura product in my area.

[sil80]

Aracknight - Being a car enthusiast as it seems you are, I would recommend you jump online and start looking at different 240s stock and modified. That way you can determine for youself if you like the style of the 240. Now if you find that you like either the s13 or s14 I recommend you find one and test drive it to see if you like it or not.
Now the whole sr issue... no matter what forum you go to there are going to be people discussing what one is better .... KA or SR. If your looking for a engine with a turbo then let me tell you that the Ka can be setup with a turbo so there would be no need for a swap.... thats for you to determine on your own....
Remember that is not as easy or cheap to get parts for the 240 series as it is with honda.
Good luck

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aracknight @ May 20 2002,1:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I plan on auto-xing my current car, and would continue if I purchased a 240. RWD has always seemed much more fun than my FWD Honda's. Miatas are too small, RX-7's rotaries are cool but I don't want to mess with them, and I am not a big fan of domestics.

I don't care what the magazines say is cool or not, they simply showed me the potential of a car. If I was influenced by their idea of cool, I'd have a turbo'ed GSR with 18" chrome rims and four 10" subs in the back. Oh, and don't forget a big bottle of N2O.

Personally, I don't really care for the looks of a stock USDM 240, but I think the JDM S14 front looks very nice. Plus, they are much, much more rare than any Honda/Acura product in my area.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'll be nice:
1) for autox, an SR powered 240 will put you in Street mod (or worse). &nbsp;Don't fool yourself by thinking you are doing this for autox. &nbsp;That is a horrible class to be in. &nbsp;Besides, Hondas are almost always quicker around an autox track. &nbsp;Otherwise, your motives seem okay.

2) There is no telling what you think is cool by what you have. &nbsp;You said before that cost is an issue... that could be the reason you don't have a boosted b18.

3) &nbsp;If you don't care for the looks of the stock s14 240, you won't like the "JDM" version any better. &nbsp;They look the same.

4) &nbsp;Now, so I can burst your bubble, realize that you can't do a motor swap for the price SCC did. &nbsp;Clips are about $1000 more now-a-days (plus theirs had high mileage). &nbsp;Ditto any front end conversions you have in mind. &nbsp;In other words, you CAN'T build a drift machine Silvia for $5000. &nbsp;You could source a motor and have it installed for that (plus a few goodies).

5) &nbsp;Armed with this much knowledge, rethink your decision. &nbsp;Odds are you will wind up w/ a car you don't like the looks of and a motor you think underperforms for quite some time. &nbsp;(barring you having the money to do the whole project). &nbsp;Also, go do some real research. &nbsp;Check out other websites before you come here expecting us to solve your problems. &nbsp;If you know what to ask, you may find us helpful... otherwise, you just look like every other kid with big dreams and $37.89 in his pocket thinking he's found the holy grail of cheap sportscars.

[twofortysx]

In addition, turbo is bad from auto x.

Making boost while going hard in a corner == spin out.

Which S14 don't you like? &nbsp;The MCs14 (97/98), which is the one I think you might be referring to as JDM, or the s14 (95/96)?

I love my 240, but I'm not sure what you're looking for in terms of stories/rants/raves or what not. &nbsp;Basically, I can't think of a single thing I don't like about my 240 (other than the fact that it doesn't have ABS/LSD. &nbsp;I couldn't find one, so it's no fault of the car). &nbsp;Other than that, the 240 has been great for everything I do, which includes to and from work, weekend excursions and doing the day to day tasks. &nbsp;It looks great, drives great and all around kicks ass.

[Aracknight]

Thanks for the replies. &nbsp;I understand the hostility from some here. &nbsp;You have a great car and accompanying community and don't want a bunch of idiots "ricing" them out. &nbsp;

I don't like the looks of some 240's. &nbsp;Here is where my newbieness will shine. &nbsp;In the gallery, I like the headlights on the upper left car, but don't like the look of the white car next to it. &nbsp;I believe both are S14's, and I thought the one in the corner has JDM headlights. &nbsp;I'm probably wrong on that, though.

Magazines always build project cars for far less than the average person. &nbsp;I was thinking that a conservative S14 project would be more in the neighborhood of $10K than $5K. &nbsp;With my budget I would have to be patient and build one component at a time.

As it was recommended, I plan on driving a few 240's in the future. &nbsp;I research any purchase of this magnitude in great detail. &nbsp;Thanks again for the help.

[SaintlyCharBoy]

ok... here goes on the "jdm" light thing... there are actually 2 incarnations of teh s14 (everywhere) they are the same here as in japan

the s14(not s14a or s14mc) has rounder lights like this:

http://www.zilvia.net/images/gallery/s14-3.jpg
it was made in the us between 95 and 96
the S14Aor MC has "meaner" more angular lights like this:
http://www.zilvia.net/images/gallery/s14-2.jpg
these were 97 and 98 models


personally i think that the rounder lights fit the car better, and so that's what i was looking for, but many many many people prefer teh "mean" lights

hope i helped a bit

[misnomer]

Hey guys, don't be so rude. This guy is misinformed, but at least he isn't an ass about it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Anyhow, here's the breakdown of s-chassis Nissans:

s12 and back: Who cares, that's not really what this forum is about

s13:
USDM: Popup lights on a fastback and coupe body (240sx, 1989-1993, convertible only in '94) --> See my avatar for it's ass
JDM: Popup lights on a fastback (180sx, 1988 to whenever, 96 or later), fixed projectors on a coupe (silvia)

s14:
USDM/JDM: Curvey front lights, very smooth looking

s14a/s14mc:
USDM/JDM: Face lift, sharper pointier nose.

s15:
JDM Only: More s13-like coupe, fixed front lights curving up towards the outside of the chassis.

As far as the 240sx fad goes, give it some time and it'll go away, after all there are only so many 240s to go around <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Mebbe if I get bored I'll write "240sx FAQ: A Guide for Honda Owners" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Aracknight]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SaintlyCharBoy @ May 20 2002,7:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok... here goes on the "jdm" light thing... there are actually 2 incarnations of teh s14 (everywhere) they are the same here as in japan

the s14(not s14a or s14mc) has rounder lights like this:

http://www.zilvia.net/images/gallery/s14-3.jpg
it was made in the us between 95 and 96
the S14Aor MC has "meaner" more angular lights like this:
http://www.zilvia.net/images/gallery/s14-2.jpg
these were 97 and 98 models


personally i think that the rounder lights fit the car better, and so that's what i was looking for, but many many many people prefer teh "mean" lights

hope i helped a bit</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thanks for clearing that up. &nbsp;Obviously I got my wires crossed. &nbsp;So it would appear that I meant S14A/S14MC when I said "JDM". &nbsp;Glad to know that now. &nbsp;Thanks again.

[mrdirty]

I thought this would be a slaughter fest and was happy to see some guys standing up for this guy.

I personally would LOVE it if more 240's were owned by enthusiests. Imagine the parts we would start to see if the demand for them doubled!

I hope u do decide on a 240, just don't rice it pls.

[drift freaq]

well if its the S14a or mc you want that is gonna cost you because they are rare . There were not a lot of them made because it was the end of the run for USDM Silvia's i.e. 240sx's.
I believe the numbers are around 8-10K built. that may be off a little &nbsp;but its pretty close . Now take that and start spending the money to dump an SR in and you are probably looking at close to 17k or more because the car alone will cost around 10-12K . Now add cost of other mods and you are looking at 20k . I would think about this hard if I where you.

[matic 240sx]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aracknight @ May 19 2002,2:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yes, I admit SCC had a part in my consideration of a 240. However, my consideration of the 240 is genuine and serious. I wouldn't causually post this topic, and unlike many that just jump from project to project, I like to do a lot of research before making a decision. Mommy and daddy aren't subsidizing my automotive hobby, so I make sure I spend my money wisely.

I've been sifting through this site's FAQ's, but I'd like to hear more from people here. Problems, complaints, raves, and good 240 stories would all be appreciated and help in my decision. Thanks again.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
keep your honda.. &nbsp; don't jump to a nissan because you think they are "cool" and "in" now... &nbsp;i hate this b.s. get a car because you like it yourself and not because a magazine is showing its potential.. &nbsp;you started a project honda because you know everyone would accept and like it and now you want a 240sx because its different and everyone will think its "cool" now..

[tnord]

this is getting out of hand. when i left for college last fall i had seen 0 97-98's in the area. i've been back for 3 days and have seen 2 already. both owners had bought them within the last 5 months. not to mention the swath of modified S13's now (none of them properly done i might add).

maybe mazda will make a decent sports car soon so i can buy that.

EDIT; hell, i'll go buy a honda, i like their engines better anyway.

[Kreator]

Keep the honda. I don't see anything nice coming out of you buying yerself a 240...

[blink0r]

Looks like the Nissan bug finally bit a honda owner in the ass. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[MrMigs]

I think he's pretty much made up his mind... I have that feeling. So why not just show him some support, eh? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[dorifto240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 20 2002,01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this is getting out of hand. when i left for college last fall i had seen 0 97-98's in the area. i've been back for 3 days and have seen 2 already. both owners had bought them within the last 5 months. not to mention the swath of modified S13's now (none of them properly done i might add).

maybe mazda will make a decent sports car soon so i can buy that.

EDIT; hell, i'll go buy a honda, i like their engines better anyway.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hey tnord, why dont u get off ur high horse... i mean, wow, you've seen 2 other s14mc's whoop de doo... its still one of the rarest cars around. I've seen pics of your car and i think it looks sick, but if all it takes for you to want to sell it is some other people buying it, then guess what??? you're never gonna find a car you like unless you can afford a lambo or ferrari. I dont mean this as an attack directly on you, but im just getting sick of people whining about 240s becoming popular, personally i take it as a compliment that other people are finally realizing what i did 2 yrs ago... and about ur s13 comment.. i agree. i have an 89 coupe looks stock except lowered BUT i have and SR, kakimoto N1 exhaust, Trust MX 3" downpipe, trust FMIC, greddy type S BOV and some other misc. stuff, and no SS and SCC did not inspire me to do this.. Ive been saving for 2 years to do this... sorry for the rant, its late and im cranky

[Kreator]

<!--QuoteBegin--dorifto240+May 21 2002,01<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dorifto240 @ May 21 2002,01<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>1)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 20 2002,01:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this is getting out of hand. when i left for college last fall i had seen 0 97-98's in the area. i've been back for 3 days and have seen 2 already. both owners had bought them within the last 5 months. not to mention the swath of modified S13's now (none of them properly done i might add).

maybe mazda will make a decent sports car soon so i can buy that.

EDIT; hell, i'll go buy a honda, i like their engines better anyway.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hey tnord, why dont u get off ur high horse... i mean, wow, you've seen 2 other s14mc's whoop de doo... its still one of the rarest cars around. I've seen pics of your car and i think it looks sick, but if all it takes for you to want to sell it is some other people buying it, then guess what??? you're never gonna find a car you like unless you can afford a lambo or ferrari. I dont mean this as an attack directly on you, but im just getting sick of people whining about 240s becoming popular, personally i take it as a compliment that other people are finally realizing what i did 2 yrs ago... and about ur s13 comment.. i agree. i have an 89 coupe looks stock except lowered BUT i have and SR, kakimoto N1 exhaust, Trust MX 3" downpipe, trust FMIC, greddy type S BOV and some other misc. stuff, and no SS and SCC did not inspire me to do this.. Ive been saving for 2 years to do this... sorry for the rant, its late and im cranky</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i'm kinda surprised about this bullshit. What do u mean more popular? There is a FIXED number of 240s around. That means that if someone bought it, somebody had to sell it. They don't come outa nowhere. So if there are 2 more 240s in your area, that just means that are 2 less 240s somewhere else. So just all shut up about them showing up in your area. My concern is that 240s are being bought by ricers (honda boys) and being vandalized. On the other hand, the more 240s get totalled, the fewer of them becomes, the more valueable they become...... But i'd hate to see that. So as long as we keep the ricers away from our cars, there is nothing bad about people wanting to buy it.

[Y-49CRXsi]

Dude...I own a CRX (if you couldn't tell by my name). I get nothing but insults and slams on this forum as well. I am starting to think that 240 owners are the most big-headed car enthusiasts out there (excluding mustang owners and other domestic people). Its all good though cause they realize that my lightweight crx with pretty much any B series engine would smoke the living shit out of a 240 (the great thing about hondas...the swaps!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>. Honestly though, i'm joking (so don't get mad 240 peeps)...i love the 240 hands down. Anyways, just wanted to let you know i feel your pain from trying to cross over from the "honda side". Even though people at the forum rant about hondas, it beats the shit out of people asking me "dude, you know they have Altezza lights for a crx, won't don't you have them?" Idiots like that make me want to disown honda.........rice boys suck.

[dorifto240]

1) Kreator- good point about the limited supply thing, let me ammend it by saying that I'm happy about the 240's newfound celebrity.. and im doing my part to prevent the ricers

2)Y-49 CRXsi- I never said Hondas suck, theyre not my bag, but as a matter of fact I'm helping a buddy put a B16 in a '91 integra right now <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>, but it still wont be as quick as my SR <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[Kreator]

Ok, if you are really into performance and have nothing to do with rice, then you gotta live through these tough first days and be patient, and you'll fit in. But so you didn't feel wrongfully flamed, imagine what we feel when we see a riced 240. Hope you understand. What i see as rice right off is people coming in and the first thing they mention is s15 convo. THat's rice imo. Unless you got in an accident and need your front fixed up anyways. Especially when you want to do it on a 97-98 240. That's just ghey. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

[Aracknight]

Just to clear a few things up.

My initial mention of S15 was in error. I meant to say S14. Now that I have been informed that the S14 comes with the front end I want (i.e. 97-98 MY) I would do very little to the exterior.

As a Honda owner, who better to feel your pain about rice? I much prefer a quiet exhaust over one that is obnoxious, and I can't stand these tiny cars with 767 wings attached to the back end. I won't even go into the driving habits of many ricer punks.

If I do invest in a 240sx, I plan on making it a clean car with subtle exterior cues and a bulletproof motor. My #1 concern is performance, followed by what I, thats right, what I like.

I've still much to learn about the 240sx, and I thank everyone for responding (at least the nice responses &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ).

[tnord]

fine fine.......i'll rephrase my comment

first off.......don't make me get off my high horse and come down there and whop yo ass boyeeee

here's what pisses people off, myself included to a certain degree. one of the main reasons people buy the 240 (S14 especially) is because of it's exclusivity. now, i fully realize that they are out of production and are only decreasing in pure numbers; i'm not as big of an idiot as you may think. but you can't deny that they are being bought off of 30+ year olds by people that are 16-mid 20's. this age group makes themselves much more visible by driving them all the time, modifying them, and showing up on weekend nights at local import stomping grounds. and you don't even need to ask them why they bought the car if they got it within the last few months.

summary;
1) don't make me whop your arse
2) 30 somethings who drive them to work and back are selling them in exchange for sedans
3) kids are buying them up like dimesacks, and making sure everybody knows about it.
4) the people that have had the cars for some time are not happy about this because of what new owners are doing with them.

comprende?

[transient]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (matic 240sx @ May 21 2002,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">keep your honda.. don't jump to a nissan because you think they are "cool" and "in" now... i hate this b.s. get a car because you like it yourself and not because a magazine is showing its potential..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
So you're saying you were born loving 240's and knowing their potential? Come on, everyone has to be exposed to the car they like someplace. In this case he saw it in a magazine, what's wrong with that, as long as he has a genuine interest in it (which it seems like he does) and isn't just trying to follow the crowd.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you started a project honda because you know everyone would accept and like it and now you want a 240sx because its different and everyone will think its "cool" now..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

How do you know how he got into honda's, and how do you know what his reasons are for purchasing a 240sx? I think you (and a few others) are being a little quick to judge here.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (transient @ May 21 2002,1:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think you (and a few others) are being a little quick to judge here.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well, i completely disagree with the american system of "innocent until proven guilty" and therefore in my world, you are "guilty unless you can proven innocent". Therefore all honda people are concidered rice by me unless they can prove otherwise <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[tnord]

i accuse kreator as the person who stole my wheels. for theft you shall go to jail for 2 years. and even if you didn't do it, you will be kept up in jail until you are proven innocent, and by the way, the trial isn't for another year. so yeah, have fun.

see how idiotic of a system that is?

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 21 2002,2:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i accuse kreator as the person who stole my wheels. for theft you shall go to jail for 2 years. and even if you didn't do it, you will be kept up in jail until you are proven innocent, and by the way, the trial isn't for another year. so yeah, have fun.

see how idiotic of a system that is?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well yeah, but there is NO proof whatsoever. In US, a very common way is to free someone cuz you don't have enough proof they are guilty. But you can't accuse me outa nowhere that i stole your wheels. You gotta have something to show i even have any relation to you. I'd steal your wheels though <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[tnord]

PROVE to me that you didn't steal them and already sold them, and if you didn't do it yourself that you weren't involved. &nbsp;i'm gonna get back on my high horse and ride away from this.

[HippoSleek]

damn - Travis the lawyer again? &nbsp;What's up wit dat? &nbsp;What next, are you going to give me the four bases for punishment?

My take on this is that if you jump onto a forum and ask one of the 10 most popular/repeated/played/sure-to-gain-the-rage-of-the-establishment type questions you probably didn't do enough homework to warrant me giving you an answer. &nbsp;

I lurked on FA for about 2 mos. b/f I bought my car and read every English speaking site I could find for info. &nbsp;Do THAT and you don't ask stoopid questions. &nbsp;Anything less and I think you might not have the best motives and don't deserve the best treatment.

Oh - and BTW: I'm with Travis... but why would you steal those wheels, man? &nbsp;Stockers w/ no-good tires? &nbsp;Some people... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[JeffNJ]

Thread topic: Explain to me why I should buy a 240

Well, certainly not so you can come here in another year and bitch to someone else who wants to buy one also; that's for damn sure. &nbsp;You should buy a 240 because you have obviously just discovered that the car is a wonderfully performing sporty ride originally aimed at people in their 30's and in recent years has become affordable to the people in their 20's it should've been aimed at in the first place. &nbsp;Or, because it kicks enough ass to keep it's owners very passionate about the fact they own one. &nbsp;

Wait. &nbsp;How about this? &nbsp;You should buy a 240 because after you test drive one, you'll wonder you even asked.

[Thurazor]

Ok some of you Zilvia cronies need to suck on a muffin and ease out a bit. If a guy comes looking for 240 information and wants a few opinions about the car from the owners, let him do it. It's not like he came here screaming i want to put a huge plywood spoiler on my 240 and decorate it with gs-r stickers. If anything, why don't you all try helping someone out and show him the light and potential of your cars.

As for my experience with them, I only drove Transient's 240 once, but it definately is peppy and handles really well. And it's hard to beat Nissan reliability. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

[wherezmytofu]

i cant believe this post is still up ok

rwd + 1800lb shell

[tnord]

thurazor......it really shouldn't make much of a difference what we say. and besides, this isn't the best place to ask, most everybody is biast. the simple fact is that you should just drive the stinkin car yourself, if you like it, buy it, if not, don't.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 21 2002,12:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">thurazor......it really shouldn't make much of a difference what we say. and besides, this isn't the best place to ask, most everybody is biast. the simple fact is that you should just drive the stinkin car yourself, if you like it, buy it, if not, don't.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
"most everybody" since TNord will tell you to get a Miata. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[wherezmytofu]

tnord...u really need 2 chill...i know ur trying 2 keep ur asshole title...but comeone &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ May 21 2002,3:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh - and BTW: I'm with Travis... but why would you steal those wheels, man? Stockers w/ no-good tires? Some people... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hrm, these are stock?!?!

http://community.webshots.com/photo/30379567/34481333Erbdhe

.... Or am i missing something??

[Thurazor]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 21 2002,12:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">this isn't the best place to ask, most everybody is biast</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Really? No way <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'> I'm pretty sure he knew that coming to the forum.

[BadMoJo]

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