project 240

[240project200hp]

Hey all...I'm new...I dont mean to sound ignorant but I just recently picked up a 89 240 for bout a grand and i was wondering If it's too costly to get the stock motor up to round 190hp...the cars strictly for autocrossing...once again I apologize for any ignorance i may post....

Also might someone be able to give me pointers on easier, less costly ways to gain hp out of my 240...

[sykikchimp]

Cheapest way is Forced Induction.

[tnord]

for a SOHC motor (like yours) i would think it might be pretty difficult to get that high if you stay NA. it's hard enough with a DOHC motor that has a 10hp? advantage of you to begin with. your best bet in getting that high is definitely a turbo.

[BadAssLil240sx]

its actually not too hard..you could do it with a nice cam, cold air intake, exhaust, headers, free flow cat, a do it yourself porting and polishing of your throttle body and intake manifold, nuderdrive pulleys, and a jwt technology ecu.
that right there would easily have u in the 200-225 hp range. its not that hard if you have the money. that setup would run around 3,500 i think.

[AceInHole]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 13 2002,2:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">for a SOHC motor (like yours) i would think it might be pretty difficult to get that high if you stay NA. it's hard enough with a DOHC motor that has a 10hp? advantage of you to begin with. your best bet in getting that high is definitely a turbo.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
should be easier with the SOHC.... seen a 244hp streetable KA24E... fully done head, individual throttlebodies (mm.... quad carb).... etc etc.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 14 2002,2:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 13 2002,2:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">for a SOHC motor (like yours) i would think it might be pretty difficult to get that high if you stay NA. it's hard enough with a DOHC motor that has a 10hp? advantage of you to begin with. your best bet in getting that high is definitely a turbo.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
should be easier with the SOHC.... seen a 244hp streetable KA24E... fully done head, individual throttlebodies (mm.... quad carb).... etc etc.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah.. &nbsp;that was nice engine.. &nbsp;He had like 12/1 compression or something. &nbsp;Either way, damn expensive mods. &nbsp;turbo is much cheaper.

BTW - welcome to zilvia..

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 14 2002,2:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">its actually not too hard..you could do it with a nice cam, cold air intake, exhaust, headers, free flow cat, a do it yourself porting and polishing of your throttle body and intake manifold, nuderdrive pulleys, and a jwt technology ecu.
that right there would easily have u in the 200-225 hp range. its not that hard if you have the money. that setup would run around 3,500 i think.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that would NOT get you 200-225whp. Maybe at the crank if you were REAL lucky. &nbsp;Maybe 160-170whp. &nbsp;Your starting w/ about 120whp in the KAE.

[240project200hp]

If I went with a nice cam, cold air intake, exhaust, headers, free flow cat, port and polished throttle body and intake manifold....what would be the approximate hp increase?

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240project200hp @ May 15 2002,08:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If I went with a nice cam, cold air intake, exhaust, headers, free flow cat, port and polished throttle body and intake manifold....what would be the approximate hp increase?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Be like BadAsslil240 and go check how much it would give you on Gran Turismo &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp;Unless someone here actually dynoed that setup your gonna here a bunch of speculation/BS.

[240project200hp]

arite well let me rephrase my question...would I feel a noticable jump?....

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240project200hp @ May 15 2002,09:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">arite well let me rephrase my question...would I feel a noticable jump?....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Of course you would. It would be a nice increase in HP from all those mods.

[Coldsun]

oh course you would feel gains with all that done
lol, damn Newbs

i'd suggest the turbo, for less costly

if you want alotta power from your stock engine your gonna have to rebuild that puppy, port, polish, new cams , pistons .. lol the works... and that wont been cheap...

Ok so heres what YOU gotta do, first find out whats best for you and how far you wanna go... then look up the parts you'll need and the average prices...You i suggest is goto a local preformance shop and talk to the mech guy when he's not busy, he will break it all down for ya and will probably even give you pretty good estimates, if you can't find a local shop then this project is gonna be hard right off the back....

Now if the prices go over your budget, your gonna have to either settle for less, or abort this mission and go for a SR20 or something man...good luck
-Sun

:edit: p.s - damn Ca18guy our avatars look cool next to one another

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ May 14 2002,4:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240project200hp @ May 15 2002,09:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">arite well let me rephrase my question...would I feel a noticable jump?....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Of course you would. It would be a nice increase in HP from all those mods.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ca18guy,
what do you have done to your car so far? &nbsp;Just curious <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[zephyr]

im sorry but turbo is never going to be better than going n/a...if you want to have a safe turbo ka you have to rebuild your engine and get new parts anyways...especially if you're like me and you have a 104k mile engine
i bet ecu intake exhaust headers port and polish individual throttle bodies pistons and rods cams underdrive pulley would put you around 180-200 depending on the quality of the stuff youre getting...all that would prolly run you about 4 or 5 k...even if it was maybe 500 or 1k dollars ^more you'd have a full range n/a engine...a 200+ hp 4 banger n/a is pretty impressive imho
i bet what badasslil240 said would prolly net you around 30-50 hp...definitely something you'd feel

summation:

-n/a 200 hp is better than turbo 200hp <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[drifterX87]

Welcome to the boards. &nbsp;If I were you, Id look for a new KA, or SR, unless your engine is not that bad right now. &nbsp;Do what they other guys said, TURBO all the way. &nbsp;hehehe. &nbsp;Good luck with your car,

Mike

[mistert]

it'd be cheaper to swap in an SR than to get 200 N/A hp out of that tired old engine. you could consider one of those venom computer controlled nitrous kits that are made for autoX and shit, but it'd probably be easiest on your car to just go the SR route

[zephyr]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it'd be cheaper to swap in an SR than to get 200 N/A hp out of that tired old engine. you could consider one of those venom computer controlled nitrous kits that are made for autoX and shit, but it'd probably be easiest on your car to just go the SR route</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

I would agree if you could get SR parts easily, and if it was legal...but since that is not the case, i've decided the best way to go is n/a to the max and THEN turbo
cheapest in the short term would be to buy a small turbo kit and get up to like 215hp after about 3k

[240project200hp]

There's not alotta good tuners in my area this proves to be a problem...and what i mean by tuners is actual tuner's as in ecu tuners and such...there are preformance shops...but I don't like the idea of turboing and swapping unless tuned very well becuase it changes the mentality of the car and if not tuned properly it only proves to be a headache...

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 15 2002,09:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ May 14 2002,4:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240project200hp @ May 15 2002,09:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">arite well let me rephrase my question...would I feel a noticable jump?....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Of course you would. It would be a nice increase in HP from all those mods.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ca18guy,
what do you have done to your car so far? Just curious <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'm at stage 10 with Naws and methane injection &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm at stage 10 with Naws and methane injection &nbsp;</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What are the stages if you are at stage 10. &nbsp;How big a shot are you going to run <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[BadAssLil240sx]

yo sykikchump, i mean chimp, i meat at the fly u would net around 200-225 hp. not at the wheels. and ca18penis, whats this gran turismo shit, ur dumb. get a life.

[Coldsun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240project200hp @ May 13 2002,5:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">There's not alotta good tuners in my area this proves to be a problem...and what i mean by tuners is actual tuner's as in ecu tuners and such...there are preformance shops...but I don't like the idea of turboing and swapping unless tuned very well becuase it changes the mentality of the car and if not tuned properly it only proves to be a headache...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ok thats cool

now jus be prepared to rip ya engine open, and get started on what i said man..
go ask for whats need and what prices... i think i read a estimate of around 4-5k .. OUCH thats alotta dough, now like i said go ask a mech, and if this is a accurate estimate and its over your budget then your jus gonna have to leave this crazy fantasy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>.... jus be ready man... cuz I/H/E combo isn't gonna do it, your gonna need major mods with major cash
-Sun

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm at stage 10 with Naws and methane injection </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What are the stages if you are at stage 10. How big a shot are you going to run <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>
Sorry for the double post my line went down and I didn't think it went through

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 15 2002,10:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yo sykikchump, i mean chimp, i meat at the fly u would net around 200-225 hp. not at the wheels. and ca18penis, whats this gran turismo shit, ur dumb. get a life.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Lets see your's or any dyno sheet then. Also lets see pics of your lamborgini taillights &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[onebadm5]

lee had a KA24E that was pushing 200 to the wheels in his s13, he just swapped in an SR, i dont know if his motor is still around, but he was trying to sell it. i think his SN is v8nightmare or v8killer or something like that.

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 14 2002,2:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yo sykikchump, i mean chimp, i meat at the fly u would net around 200-225 hp. not at the wheels. and ca18penis, whats this gran turismo shit, ur dumb. get a life.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Cocky, arent we? Not very smart to mouth off to moderators, it makes the rest of the board who have respect for people think you're a fuckin idiot.

[BadAssLil240sx]

haha, talk about respect. the majority of the people on this board have so little respect for each other. everyones always talking shit. so if people are gonna talk shit, ill say whatever i want too. i also find it funny that you say "respect" and then say "fuckin idiot" in the same sentence.....dumbass.

[Coldsun]

<eating popcorn>

lol this is getting good...!
BadAss, i dont get though, what did they do to you?
-Sun

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 15 2002,10:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">haha, talk about respect. the majority of the people on this board have so little respect for each other. everyones always talking shit. so if people are gonna talk shit, ill say whatever i want too. i also find it funny that you say "respect" and then say "fuckin idiot" in the same sentence.....dumbass.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Theres a difference between talking shit, and making stuff up. &nbsp;While many on the board do talk shit to each other, many have earned each others respect/trust. &nbsp;Respect should be given til taken away (in your case your first post took all respect most have for you) trust should be earned (your far from it)

[240meowth]

i don't think the turbo is a good way to go for the SOHC, the SOHC has quite amazing ability to go N/A. &nbsp;some mods can get you up to the 200hp @ the cracnk @ lease, such as:
higher compression pistons
port/polish
header
exhaust
intake
clutch fan removal
blue print/balance
cams

but than, again, be lookin @ the 2000 bucks range...

[s15dude]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (onebadm5 @ May 14 2002,3:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lee had a KA24E that was pushing 200 to the wheels in his s13, he just swapped in an SR, i dont know if his motor is still around, but he was trying to sell it. i think his SN is v8nightmare or v8killer or something like that.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
his SN is coolerow or coolrowe, somethin like that

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i don't think the turbo is a good way to go for the SOHC, the SOHC has quite amazing ability to go N/A</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I heard the same thing.

The SOHC has amazing capabilities to push high hp numbers n/a &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

[BlackS14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (zephyr @ May 14 2002,3:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">im sorry but turbo is never going to be better than going n/a...if you want to have a safe turbo ka you have to rebuild your engine and get new parts anyways...especially if you're like me and you have a 104k mile engine
i bet ecu intake exhaust headers port and polish individual throttle bodies pistons and rods cams underdrive pulley would put you around 180-200 depending on the quality of the stuff youre getting...all that would prolly run you about 4 or 5 k...even if it was maybe 500 or 1k dollars ^more you'd have a full range n/a engine...a 200+ hp 4 banger n/a is pretty impressive imho
i bet what badasslil240 said would prolly net you around 30-50 hp...definitely something you'd feel

summation:

-n/a 200 hp is better than turbo 200hp <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'm quite curious as to what proof you base your opinion on when stating that 200 n/a hp is more relaible then 200 turbocharged hp??

Not trying to start some bullshit flame war...just curious.

I have a friend with a DOHC with the following:
. Injen intake w/CAE
. Hotshot header
. Greddy SP exhaust
. JWT ECU
. JWT cams (not quite sure which stage)
. Unorthodox pullies
.

.....no pistons, rods, or polishing of any sort done internally, but he still laid down 168 rwhp on the dyno.

Now with his motor of course being the SOHC, I'd say you HAVE to do the piston/rod combo to up the c/r along with all the above mods....otherwise I'd say you're going to have one hell of a time getting that much power....I'd venture to say not likely.....

My experience with the SOHC is minimal so if I'm wrong in any of these instances please le tme know....no problem in wanting to learn <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

I'd spend a good $3,000~5,000 on putting together a properly tuned turbo set-up any day. It's no secret that if tuned (key word being tuned of course) right that you can get some good numbers from the sohc...especially if you're wanting to only hit the 190 mark. Good matched turbo size-wise, proper fuel, low boost...I'd say it'd be much easiere to get to your goal of 200 before going n/a......IMO

Again, my quarrel is about one being more relaible than the other..when in all reality it'll propably cost the same amount to achieve the same numbers if both are properly tuned.....

Anyone disagree....let me know if I'm off base in some of my thoughts...

-Bill

[BadAssLil240sx]

the best thing to do though obviously would be to max out the engine N/A first, then throw a turbo on there. that will get you some really impressive numbers with even just a stage 1 kit.

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 13 2002,6:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">yo sykikchump, i mean chimp, i meat at the fly u would net around 200-225 hp. not at the wheels. and ca18penis, whats this gran turismo shit, ur dumb. get a life.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
You shouldn't talk to our moderators like that. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

And you, lil240, are the one who should get a life...or atleast try to complete the 2nd grade. &nbsp;

You talk like an ignorant jackass, you've shown multiple times your complete lack of knowledge about cars, and your dislike for the 240sx and the members of zilvia.net.

If you haven't noticed, you are not liked, welcomed, or appricated. &nbsp;Is there any good reason you are still here?

[zephyr]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BlackS14 @ May 13 2002,6:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm quite curious as to what proof you base your opinion on when stating that 200 n/a hp is more relaible then 200 turbocharged hp??

Not trying to start some bullshit flame war...just curious.

I have a friend with a DOHC with the following:
. Injen intake w/CAE
. Hotshot header
. Greddy SP exhaust
. JWT ECU
. JWT cams (not quite sure which stage)
. Unorthodox pullies
.

.....no pistons, rods, or polishing of any sort done internally, but he still laid down 168 rwhp on the dyno.

Now with his motor of course being the SOHC, I'd say you HAVE to do the piston/rod combo to up the c/r along with all the above mods....otherwise I'd say you're going to have one hell of a time getting that much power....I'd venture to say not likely.....

My experience with the SOHC is minimal so if I'm wrong in any of these instances please le tme know....no problem in wanting to learn <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

I'd spend a good $3,000~5,000 on putting together a properly tuned turbo set-up any day. It's no secret that if tuned (key word being tuned of course) right that you can get some good numbers from the sohc...especially if you're wanting to only hit the 190 mark. Good matched turbo size-wise, proper fuel, low boost...I'd say it'd be much easiere to get to your goal of 200 before going n/a......IMO

Again, my quarrel is about one being more relaible than the other..when in all reality it'll propably cost the same amount to achieve the same numbers if both are properly tuned.....

Anyone disagree....let me know if I'm off base in some of my thoughts...

-Bill</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
you said it in your first sentence...its an opinion...i like n/a cars more than turbo or s/c cars (i never said they're more reliable). i.e.-which would you choose: a 350 whp bmw m5 (n/a) or a 350 whp saleen mustang (s/c)...i was just saying i'd choose the m5 from a purely aesthetic point of view, or that i'd choose n/a over forced induction in general

as for reliability, a turbo setup with only the turbo and associated parts generally isn't thought of as reliable, you have to (as you stated) build up the internals before you can do a lot of boost, i was saying this only to point out that if you want to get a lot out of your turbo, you have to build up your engine first anyways, so why not do it first
im speaking in general for both engines since neither one is really made to use forced induction
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> no hard feelings, i hope

[DSC]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 13 2002,8:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the best thing to do though obviously would be to max out the engine N/A first, then throw a turbo on there. that will get you some really impressive numbers with even just a stage 1 kit.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ok, I didn't even realize this topic had 2 pages. &nbsp;lil240...you are dumber than I though.

Cams for a turboed engine are totally different than cams for a turboed engine.
N/A tuneing...you buy pistons that raise the compression.
Turbo?...you do what ever you can to LOWER the compression so you can cram more air in w/out pinging.

Quit giveing false information and quit being a jackass.
If you just sit here for a couple weeks and keep your mouth shut, you MAY actually learn something.

[onebadm5]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (s15dude @ May 14 2002,2:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (onebadm5 @ May 14 2002,3:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">lee had a KA24E that was pushing 200 to the wheels in his s13, he just swapped in an SR, i dont know if his motor is still around, but he was trying to sell it. i think his SN is v8nightmare or v8killer or something like that.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
his SN is coolerow or coolrowe, somethin like that</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
uhh, no. coolerow is from the LA area, we've never met him. Lee is a marine out at pendelton, and there have been numerous sighting of him, including a couple of weeks ago at the Q with his SR.

[SR20Fastback]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 14 2002,2:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">haha, talk about respect. the majority of the people on this board have so little respect for each other. everyones always talking shit. so if people are gonna talk shit, ill say whatever i want too. i also find it funny that you say "respect" and then say "fuckin idiot" in the same sentence.....dumbass.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey badass240 I got something for you. It really proves my maturity level but you desere it:
http://www.disrupted.net/~idon/reminder.jpg

[BadMoJo]

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> &nbsp;Ponch!!! Gotta love that pict. And oh yeah, Lil240...your a jackass. Shut your mouth.

[camppain]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 15 2002,06:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the best thing to do though obviously would be to max out the engine N/A first, then throw a turbo on there. that will get you some really impressive numbers with even just a stage 1 kit.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ok so ur telling someone to max out on a na engine?

so go get higher comp. pistons. increase compression in your head. get headers diff cams..



half of that will be caca after u want to go turbo. you would also need ur ecu again reprogrammed by jwt for going turbo instead of n/a

no more high comp. pistons no more headers.

and yes you are pretty ignorant badass......if anyone even considers your car or yourself "bad" i highly doubt it

like ca18guy said even though majority of the people talk sh*t to each other no one ever gets to the point of an argument which leads to name calling. its all on a fact - fact basis. if one person is wrong they admit it or apologize for inaccuracy..

we have all had it with each other but we still repect each other i may have not liked some things dsc (dave said at times travis (tnord) irena (s13grl, even ca18guy to name a few......have we ever badmouthed each other? no....u need to learn to accept ur mistakes and learn from them

you i have never seen do that.

u walk around to high and mighty withyour mismatched body kit pep boys muffler and lambo lights



rich from fatman racing had most of the stuff done to his 97240 except i think for a cam upgrade but i may be wrong. he had roughly a lil over 170 to the wheels which was the fastest n/a ka's at the united nations of nissan meet.

[AUTOBOT]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 14 2002,6:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the best thing to do though obviously would be to max out the engine N/A first, then throw a turbo on there. that will get you some really impressive numbers with even just a stage 1 kit.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Where did you get your tuning knowledge? Icy Hot Stuntaz? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

Which one is you?
http://198.79.47.32/images/iceyhot.jpg

[BlackS14]

Cool....no hard feelings in the least Zephry. Thans for the explanation <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

-Bill

[S14lover]

YO that snap is off the meat rack AUTOBOT!!!!yeah boyyyie!



<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

[sykikchimp]

I think what he meant by N/A is better than turbo is not that it's more reliable, but that it is a "Better" power. &nbsp;Which it is. &nbsp;And an N/A motor typically has a much smoother power band and is more broad than a turbo 200 hp car.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240meowth @ May 14 2002,5:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i don't think the turbo is a good way to go for the SOHC, the SOHC has quite amazing ability to go N/A. some mods can get you up to the 200hp @ the cracnk @ lease, such as:
higher compression pistons
port/polish
header
exhaust
intake
clutch fan removal
blue print/balance
cams

but than, again, be lookin @ the 2000 bucks range...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I think that is gonna run more like 3000-5000 depending on what kind of work you get done internally. 2000 will barely cover all the bolt-ons. &nbsp;hell it wouldn't be that hard to spend 10,000 on an N/A built motor.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ May 14 2002,8:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BadAssLil240sx @ May 14 2002,2:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">haha, talk about respect. the majority of the people on this board have so little respect for each other. everyones always talking shit. so if people are gonna talk shit, ill say whatever i want too. i also find it funny that you say "respect" and then say "fuckin idiot" in the same sentence.....dumbass.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hey badass240 I got something for you. It really proves my maturity level but you desere it:
http://www.disrupted.net/~idon/reminder.jpg</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
sorry.. &nbsp;just had to RE-ITERATE this to the f*cker. &nbsp;VERY funny. rofl

[MasterOFDrift]

SR20DET SWAP= instant 210HP <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> &nbsp;

well around 210hp.....
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[HaLo]

Personnaly, I really like the N/A, espacially if you can push 200-225hp at the crank. &nbsp;I wouldn't look for much more than that!

[AceInHole]

you don't NEED new rods and pistons to raise the compression ratio. Shaving the head a bit and cloverleafing it would do just fine to raise your C/R to around 10:1 or 11:1. You're going to be digging into the head anyways since most of your power is gonna come from porting/ polishing/ larger valves, so you might as well just make the head your main point.

anyways, i like the whole infatuation with Cold Air Intakes... when the best intake for the SOHC would be individual throttlebodies <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> that and camS, when there's only one.

To get 244hp at the crank and maintain streetability:
igotsboth's (FA member) rebello engine:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">block .o4o over, rotating assembly balanced, head surfaced, mild porting, moderate, livable cam with hydraulic lifters, valve train spring tension balanced (if you ever take the plugs out of your KA, notice how, when you rotate it by hand, it will "kick" as the exhaust valves close, evening out the intake/exhaust spring pressures creates a much smoother rotating head assembly), decked head, higher comp, eyebrowed pistons. Nissan comp sidedraft manifold, with dual 45mm Mikunis. More is possible out of the NA KA, but it just plain gets expensive. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

That's right, 100hp/L. SCC can KMFA (another anacronym for ca18guy)

EDIT: &nbsp;you don't even NEED high compression to get that much out of the KA24E:
Quoted from igotsboth himself:
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">More true to the fact, my real world KA has 9.5:1 compression, runs on pump gas, 7200 RPM red, idles like a champ, powerband: low end torque, high end horsepower(read the dyno sheet nearer to the beginning of the thread), someone give me a link to their turbo engine for comparison sake, I truly am curious. Carbs:MIKUNIS nothing else...stays in tune 44s, 39 chokes.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

[projectsilvia1]

240project200hp.....

My best suggestion would be to find a used ka and build it out of the car. &nbsp;When I had my 93 dohc...i had i/h/e,pulley,ecu,and short shifter I ran a 15.1 in the 1/4 mile.

I had full interior, 17inch (22pound rims) and a 70lbs speaker box in the back of a coupe. &nbsp;

Where are you located? &nbsp;Cause I autocross too and I live in nor cal.

Mike