How can I compete with a Celica?

[SimpleS14]

I know this probably sounds like a newbie question, but how can I compete with the 2001 Celica?

This evening I was driving down this two lane road until I came to a stop and passed a Celica.  As I was passing by I looked at the guy and he looked at me.  Next I know I'm switching lanes to pass this slow car in front of me.  I check my rear mirror and I noticed this Celica was coming up behind me pretty fast. So as we were going down a hill I floored it and I was ahead of him for a few seconds, next thing I know I'm looking at him pass me as we get to the top of the hill.  Now I know my car is pretty slow, because its stock and an auto.  But is some advie or tips you guys can give me so that I can compete with a Celica.....also a Prelude.

[tnord]

you won't compete until you get a 5sp. that and forced induction is the only solution.

[SimpleS14]

Yeah I can understand the 5spd. part, I just have to do some research and patience on the tranny conversion.  Forced induction??  What is that exactly? I'm still kinda new, does is that referring to my pistions?

[hookedup240]

What model celica because i have beaten a 2000 GT both of our cars our 5 spd's but if it was the gt-s i would have had no chance plus they are 6 spd's

[drifterx]

get 5 speed and find a place to race that has some cornering

[tnord]

forced induction=turbo
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[Scylla]

Yeah, my 5 spd integra is about on par with 240's, and I can take Celica GT's easily. &nbsp;

I run away when I see a GTS, tho.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drifterx @ May 12 2002,10:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">get 5 speed and find a place to race that has some cornering</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I believe a stock celica GT-S will spank a stock 240 in the corners. you might have a chance if he's a pussy, but if he knows how to drive, you will be handed your ass in about every category.

edit - just have to add.. &nbsp;a STOCK GT-S should spank a moderately engine modded 240 too, unless they don't know how to drive it.

[nrcooled]

I had a Gt-S run real hard w/ me the other day. &nbsp;Those things are fast as fuck. &nbsp;I thought he would be no contest but that was a fast ass car.

I could pull away on him but he gave me a run. &nbsp;After we hit some traffic and slowed down we gave each other the thumbs up and went our seperate ways. &nbsp;But that m/f was rolling w/ me we didn't slow til well after 130mph

I raced a GT w/ the KA (no mods) and beat him so you should be able to take him....For the record you can't take a 'lude well a new one thery're too fast

in conclusion
1. You won't take a GT-S unless your packing heat (turbo)
2. You can take a GT easy
3. Your hopes of beating a 98+ 'lude will not be fulfilled until you get more power (200hp stock)

[SimpleS14]

The car was a GT, as he passed me I looked at the emblem and didn't see the red S. &nbsp;We were going pretty fast, and the guy was really scared. &nbsp;We kept going until he cut me off when I slow van was in front of him. &nbsp;It was real cool, but I don't promote street racing. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

[drifterx]

GTS are fast but GT is a piece of crap, it has a corolla engine 135HP......

i raced a GTS and it kept up with my GST (eclipse turbo)
even with my boost he was up to par..... we hit over 130mph
but GTS are front wheel drive, although it has nice corning the RWD on a 240sx should have him.....

[S14lover]

let me ask you all a question??!?!?!do you love your cars?....i know i do but am i the only one not planning a SR swap or a turbo install !??!?!?!......i know FI is the way to go and its the shizzle BUT do research on the KA think of improving instead of replacing! I know im gonna get flamed for this but i know i can get my NA KA &nbsp;up to where i can eat VTECS w/mods and if i cant oh well i still love my car and its faster than most out there.Happiness thru NOS!!!!!!...that will always be my motto &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S14lover @ May 13 2002,10:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">let me ask you all a question??!?!?!do you love your cars?....i know i do but am i the only one not planning a SR swap or a turbo install !??!?!?!......i know FI is the way to go and its the shizzle BUT do research on the KA think of improving instead of replacing! I know im gonna get flamed for this but i know i can get my NA KA up to where i can eat VTECS w/mods and if i cant oh well i still love my car and its faster than most out there.Happiness thru NOS!!!!!!...that will always be my motto <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Let me start w/ this the KA is good but not made for a turbo and Nos will kill an engine...any engine. &nbsp;My decision to get the SR was based on the fact my KA had over 100k on it not worthy for any major hp gains. &nbsp;But my decision was also swayed by the fact that I wanted to start hunting lions w/ a 50 cal instead of shooting rabbits w/ a pellet gun <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[transient]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 13 2002,10:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Nos will kill an engine...any engine.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, if you're brain dead and throw in a 200 shot on a stock engine. Nitrous Oxide doesn't kill engines, the stupidity of the people that use too much does. Nitrous Oxide works just like forced induction, it introduces more oxygen and makes a bigger boom in the combustion chamber. Technically, nitrous, if used correctly, is easier on an engine than a turbo because along with the extra oxygen to make more power, there's a bit of nitrogen injected, which has a cooling effect on the engine.

[SimpleS14]

I want to rebulid my KA to make 200hp (NA), but does anyone know how I can get started on this. &nbsp;Like what parts do I need are where I can go. &nbsp;The SR swap sounds nice, but thats a second option to rebuliding and turboing the KA.

[nrcooled]

PM Boosteds14 and he can give you the scoop to get mad hp out the KA
What I know is
1. Shotpeening the rods
2. Porting and Polishing the Cylinders
3. Uping the compression on the bottom end
4. JWT ecu or remapped fuel and air maps
5. hi flow fuel pump
6. good turbo kit


There are like a million things that I missed but that's some of it

[S14lover]

in order to apply NOS you must have things in your car that will support it ...like i said before i love my car therefore im not one of these idiots that would go out there and throw on a 100 shot then wonder why there engine went BOOOM! my's got 58000 on it...(some old lady had it and hated it so never drove it) when the KA gets up there in age i will swap ...yes i said it i will swap BUT she has to get much older than she is ..i just love her <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

[Tyler Durdan]

I have a friend who has an 01' GT-S who thinks he doesn't stand a chance against my stock 97 240sx se. &nbsp;He has a cai and tanabe exhaust and headers, but it's still an automatic. &nbsp;I told him that I would probably take him on the launch, but as soon as we hit third he was gonna leave me eating his smoke.

Does this sound right to anyone, or do I stand a chance cause of his auto? &nbsp;He won't race me because he thinks he's gonna lose....I think it's bullshit.

[sykikchimp]

Auto GT-S's are pretty slow b/c the can't stay on the big cams. The problem with the GT-S is the gearing is wrong. you have to run every gear to 300-400rpm into redline just land on the big cam in the next gear. If you can land on the big cam, you loose a LOT of power. Auto GT-S's shift way too early to even come close. You very well could take him if you have a 5-speed.

Not sure what an Auto runs, but there are guys with those mods in 6-speed GT-S's running mid-high 14's. &nbsp;I would guess the auto would still be high 15's maybe 16.

[azboy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 13 2002,12:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PM Boosteds14 and he can give you the scoop to get mad hp out the KA
What I know is
1. Shotpeening the rods
2. Porting and Polishing the Cylinders
3. Uping the compression on the bottom end
4. JWT ecu or remapped fuel and air maps
5. hi flow fuel pump
6. good turbo kit


There are like a million things that I missed but that's some of it</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Porting and Polishing the cylinders? &nbsp;do you mean cylinder
"head"
also raising the compression and adding a turbo is probably not a good idea. &nbsp;Turbo's usually don't like high compression engines.

[DuffMan]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S14lover @ May 13 2002,12:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in order to apply NOS you must have things in your car that will support it ...like i said before i love my car therefore im not one of these idiots that would go out there and throw on a 100 shot then wonder why there engine went BOOOM! my's got 58000 on it...(some old lady had it and hated it so never drove it) when the KA gets up there in age i will swap ...yes i said it i will swap BUT she has to get much older than she is ..i just love her <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Theres no reason our cars can't support a 100 shot if done right. Especially a S14 with its somewhat stronger pistons. However you couldn't just through any old kit on there. In fact there are two ways I can think of that would make a good 100 shot KA.

1. Direct port nitrous injection (my method of choise)

2. Bigger injectors and JWT ECU programmed to accept nitrous.

[Coldsun]

The GTS isn't even all that fast compared to alot of other cars.... dont let them horsepower numbers toyota throws around fool you, i heard they got some major gearing problems and stuff...
you probably wont be able to get one in your 240, but put a SR in it and wave bye to the hoe...
-Sun

[tnord]

ok, don't believe the numbers if you want, but you better believe it when you stare at the tail lights of the gts that just put you to shame. it's got 35? more hp and is i don't know how many hundred pounds lighter.

many of you fools need to realize that there are plenty of cars around just as good or better than ours.

[SimpleS14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 12 2002,6:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ok, don't believe the numbers if you want, but you better believe it when you stare at the tail lights of the gts that just put you to shame. it's got 35? more hp and is i don't know how many hundred pounds lighter.

many of you fools need to realize that there are plenty of cars around just as good or better than ours.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
That's so true and the Celica looks nicer also &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[Coldsun]

so then tnord how do you expalin the Toyota Matrix? its the same engine as the celica

I dont know whateva.... you guys are going off what you read on a Spec sheet, i am out on the street every weekend,or down at EnglishTown and i seen a few Celica GTSs race a few times... and i seen this red one get ROASTED by a Contour, and a GSR, more then once, not that those are slow cars but it jus shows the celica gts isn't the second coming either... so it can kiss my ass... and i know the 240sx isn't all that fast.. you aint teaching me nothing man...
-Sun

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Coldsun @ May 14 2002,10:52)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">so then tnord how do you expalin the Toyota Matrix? its the same engine as the celica

I dont know whateva.... you guys are going off what you read on a Spec sheet, i am out on the street every weekend,or down at EnglishTown and i seen a few Celica GTSs race a few times... and i seen this red one get ROASTED by a Contour, and a GSR, more then once, not that those are slow cars but it jus shows the celica gts isn't the second coming either... so it can kiss my ass... and i know the 240sx isn't all that fast.. you aint teaching me nothing man...
-Sun</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i'll explain the matrix to you, it's got an even worse transmission than the celical does, which makes it slower. and also i'm guessing it's heavier, once again making it slower. those are only a couple of the diff's i'm aware of.

no i'm not going on what i've read in a spec sheet. considering i've driven a GTS myselft i think i have every right to say that it is fast. me being the driver takes out the driver variable unlike your being out on the StrEEtZ watching them get beat in some illegal amatuer competition.

if i "ain't teaching you nothing," why are you here?

[Coldsun]

if your not teaching me nothing why am i hear?!?!?!
what, dude, you think i'm here for you? what are you talking about , shutup

and whats with this StrEEtz, lol ,grow up silly.... englishtown is a drag track, with red, yellow, and green lights... so get it together

To break it down, you say in your first sentence , even worse transmission, so you know the celicas tranny is poop... and the matrix is heavier? hmmm i dont have the numbers but i'd bet against it....if so, not by much...

either way, i put up a real post and you start talking about "illegal amatuer competition"!?!? LOL shutup and go home... my post was saying the celica isn't everything that people think it is... quick crying or go buy one, i dont care loser... haha
-Sun

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Coldsun @ May 13 2002,02:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if your not teaching me nothing why am i hear?!?!?!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
2 things:
1. here != here
2. tofu is the honda boy of this forum
3. if u notice sun, this post is about celica against 240sx....the celica isnt the fastest car in the world for the $ but it is faster then the 240sx.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

[Fourgig]

Here's some unbiased opinion. &nbsp;I own a 2000 Celica GT 5spd and I've driven the 6spd GTS numerous times. &nbsp;I also own a '91 and a '97 240sx, both auto.

If we compare stock for stock straightline (and assume equal drivers):
GT auto would get beat by everyone
GT 5spd will beat a 240sx auto
GT 5spd will beat a GTS auto
240sx auto vs GTS auto is a tossup
240sx 5spd will beat a GT 5spd
GTS 6spd will beat a 240sx 5spd

Oh and someone was talking about weight:
manual/auto
GT - 2425/2460 lbs
GTS - 2500/2580 lbs
'93 240 - 2657/2701 lbs
'95 240 - 2753/2815 lbs
Matrix - 2800/2877 lbs

Just looking at the weight and horsepower difference between the GTS 6spd and 240sx 5spd should tell you which car's faster - in an ideal world. &nbsp;But then you will always have the "driver" as a deciding factor. &nbsp;Someone that knows how to drive their underpowered car to the maximum will be able to outdrive someone that doesn't know how to drive their more powerful car.

Tyler Durden...your friend does not have an aftermarket header for his Celica - because there are NONE out right now for the Celica GTS. &nbsp;If he does, I know about 5000 Celica owners that will stand in line to buy it.

[Coldsun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 13 2002,02:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteBegin--Coldsun+May 13 2002,02<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Coldsun @ May 13 2002,02<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if your not teaching me nothing why am i hear?!?!?!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
2 things:
1. here != here
2. tofu is the honda boy of this forum
3. if u notice sun, this post is about celica against 240sx....the celica isnt the fastest car in the world for the $ but it is faster then the 240sx.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
2 things

1: 2 things are 2 things , you listed 3 things <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
2: I'm the HondaBoy damnit, and i know what the post is about have you been reading my replies? i said it is faster then the 240.... ok

damn i'm good
-Sun

[astroboy000]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ May 12 2002,11:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i dont think a celica looks nicer than a s14. celica has nice headlights and tha's about it (looks like a car for girls imo)! i'd pick a s14 with a s15 conversion over a celica ANY day. show some love for your car!

btw, good post coldsun, even though a celica gt-s that has specs that are +35 hp (dunno exact figure) how much are those cars actually putting at the wheels? given that they are 6 spd. and lighter according to whoever said that, i still think s14 is a better car with so much history behind it.

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Coldsun @ May 15 2002,12:08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if your not teaching me nothing why am i hear?!?!?!
what, dude, you think i'm here for you? what are you talking about , shutup

and whats with this StrEEtz, lol ,grow up silly.... englishtown is a drag track, with red, yellow, and green lights... so get it together

To break it down, you say in your first sentence , even worse transmission, so you know the celicas tranny is poop... and the matrix is heavier? hmmm i dont have the numbers but i'd bet against it....if so, not by much...

either way, i put up a real post and you start talking about "illegal amatuer competition"!?!? LOL shutup and go home... my post was saying the celica isn't everything that people think it is... quick crying or go buy one, i dont care loser... haha
-Sun</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
apparantly coldsun is the smartest person here and nobody can teach him anything, let us all bask in his wealth of knowledge. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

what's with the StrEEtz comment i made? well it was in response to one of your quotes:

"i am out on the street every weekend"

you're basing your comparison on what you see at a drag strip? are these professional drivers in these things, cause that's about the only way you can legitmately compare the two under those circumstances. 2 kids who just got their first manual competeing on a friday night isn't exactly an equal comparison, hell, as long as you have different drivers it's still not quite equal. i think i'll trust my own judgement from when i drove one.

yes the celica's gearing is off, but at least you're able to keep it on the big cam the whole time by running a few hundred rpms into redline. in the matrix this isn't even possible, or so i've read. and if you look at a post a little ways up, you will see that the matrix is what, 400lbs heavier?

you put up a real post? please give me the guidelines for a real post so i can determine it from a fake one. as for the rest of what you said.....can we put up a new poll "most ignorant person on zilvia.net?"

[S14lover]

Coldsun gather your army warlord its time to do battle! Armies of the East and West shall clash!!!!!!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>

[bbp]

quick thoughts....

the first years of the new celicas tend to lunch motors under hard cornering. &nbsp;have seen a few go at the track and autocrosses. &nbsp;may have been corrected in the matrix, haven't seen one on track yet. &nbsp;MR2 don't seem to have the problem either (I think they all have the same motor?)

matrix is sweeet, until I learned how much it weighs!! &nbsp;holy COW!

[SimpleS14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (astroboy000 @ May 13 2002,03:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i dont think a celica looks nicer than a s14. celica has nice headlights and tha's about it (looks like a car for girls imo)! i'd pick a s14 with a s15 conversion over a celica ANY day. show some love for your car!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The Celica does look like a girls car, but I like the interior, the design and the low profile view from the outside. However I do get the same things from my car, which is why I don't hate it or dislike my ride in anyway (besides the stock KA perfromance with an auto).

If your compare a S-14 with a S-15 front end, then thats a different story. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

[SimpleS14]

I guess it really does come down to the driver, of course I view myself as a good driver. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'> &nbsp; Just wish I had a 5 speed, then I would be driving like there is no tommorrow &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> .....well sometimes. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

*Note: I do not promote street racing in anyway

[sykikchimp]

just a note to go along with the point tnord had about driver differences.. &nbsp;This is especially pronounced with the GTS. &nbsp;I have driven the GTS and it is VERY difficult to keep on the big cam. &nbsp;I went to a few celica boards, and there are plenty of threads talking about how to keep it on the big cam. &nbsp;If you don't land right IT IS SLOW. &nbsp;if you do, you will be rewarded with a half to one full second faster time in the quarter. &nbsp;the 240 is EASY to drive fast. &nbsp;there is no big cam to keep it on. &nbsp;A much easier car to get consistant times in. &nbsp;Either way, different drivers make HUGE differences.

[gsu240]

GT specr--you tihnk the celica looks better than a 240, are you kidding me?

[nrcooled]

I all I know is that I saw a fast gooddamn GTS run w/ me. &nbsp;I have no idea what he had under the hood but I had to work to get away from him. &nbsp;I had the hp but I won't take anything away from the GTS that sombeech was moving. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

Anyway as far as discusions about the look of the car I think it is a good looking car but it definately needs to be lowered. &nbsp;All that aside I would like to find out what he had under the hood because that was not 155hp at wheels (I read somewhere that was the output) &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'>

[Coldsun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (S14lover @ May 13 2002,10:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Coldsun gather your army warlord its time to do battle! Armies of the East and West shall clash!!!!!!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
LOL
i like that, hahah good one

Yo and tnord, haha i'm done, whateva dude....your talking silly right now...

jus so everyone knows, i never said i knew everything, but someone said "if I"M not teaching you, why are you here" So i said, what makes you think i'm here for you...
but like i said, whatever
your right , i'm wrong.... go tell it on the mountain, i'm not falling into your web of idiot talk, and StrEEtz, lol
-Sun

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 14 2002,2:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">All that aside I would like to find out what he had under the hood because that was not 155hp at wheels (I read somewhere that was the output) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sneaky.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':pissed:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that should be pretty close for a stock GTS. &nbsp;180bhp at crank consider 15% drivetrain loss.. = 27hp = 152 whp. &nbsp;Probably a little less than 15% loss since FWD.

[wherezmytofu]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Coldsun @ May 13 2002,03:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (wherezmytofu @ May 13 2002,02:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Coldsun @ May 13 2002,02<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if your not teaching me nothing why am i hear?!?!?!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
2 things:
1. here != here
2. tofu is the honda boy of this forum
3. if u notice sun, this post is about celica against 240sx....the celica isnt the fastest car in the world for the $ but it is faster then the 240sx.... <!--emo&<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
2 things

1: 2 things are 2 things , you listed 3 things <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
2: I'm the HondaBoy damnit, and i know what the post is about have you been reading my replies? i said it is faster then the 240.... ok

damn i'm good
-Sun</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
3 - 1 = 2 and 2 + 1 = 3 so...when i said three i ment two...plus a bonuse....boneses r good...dun complain &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[SimpleS14]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (gsu240 @ May 13 2002,2:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">GT specr--you think the celica looks better than a 240, are you kidding me?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If you compare both a 2001 Celica to a 1995 240SX...both cars stock....I have to say I like the Celica. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

But its different in other cases. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

[KyoLo]

I think both Celica and KouKi 97~98 240sx look great, but i personally like Kouki 270SX BETTER, because it has slanted, aggressive sharp headlights and unique style that is hard to see on the street. You can easily find a Celica than to find a super rare 97~98 Kouki 240SX 5 spd MANUAL!!! And I would say Celica GT-S 6spd manual is mostly likely to win 240SX by somewhat because of its 300lb less weight AND 25 more HP if we assume the same skilled drivers....so that's one fact i THINK.

And back to the topic ... 240SX automatic...don't even think about it because first place, you would've bought automatic if you want it to be sporty~~ as it IS a sports COUP!!~~!!
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[SimpleS14]

I was pretty much stuck with the automatic, since I need a car before the week ended and this was the only thing I ran into that looked good and came with a nice price.

[s14guy]

sounds like tnord and GT spec R should be on a gt-s forum . If you honestly thing a front drive wedge shaped celica looks better or is more capable in any way you're both smokin somethin , and you should try finding a trd forum or somethin. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (s14guy @ May 16 2002,7:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sounds like tnord and GT spec R should be on a gt-s forum . If you honestly thing a front drive wedge shaped celica looks better or is more capable in any way you're both smokin somethin , and you should try finding a trd forum or somethin. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
here's a thought, i'll go look up lap times from a stock celica gts, and then compare them to lap times from stock 240's. and then everybody will shut the hell up.

but by all means, if you wanna get on your knees and suck the 240's tailpipe till it spits somethin at you, go right ahead.

EDIT: @ blackhawk farms raceway, Celica GTS turned a 1:35.388, at the same track, 240 se turned a 1:40.015
moderate that

[wherezmytofu]

sad 2 say...stock wise....the 240sx has the track times of a non-vtec civic...so....it is actually pretty weak &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cry.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cry:'>