What's the big deal w/ the wrx

[nrcooled]

On the real I will start off like this, the WRX is a nice looking ride and has a great power plant that has huge potential but we all still have beautiful 240s that w/ the propper work can out handle, out accelerate, and out perform the WRX.

After I did the swap I went out civic hunting (not hard to find 'em in my area) and found a WRX that was willing and waiting. After a he got a jump on me off the line (I had some wheel spin) I caught him fairly easily and pulled ahead.

Now that was just random street shenanagins at the track (road course) front and rear sway bars, coilovers (or a nice spring shock setup) and good tires will put you on the right track to absolutely dismantiling the WRX at the track

As far a auto-x I don't have any experience so I have no clue and won't even front like I know what's up <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> I figure the 'rex would be better because the RWD 240 doesn't like low speed sharp turns (drift pigs <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> ) the ass end loves to come out and get in front of you

Either way they are nice cars just not worth all the hype they get. &nbsp;SR powered 240s are the shit and don't you forget it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

[rubbersidedown]

first off, the wrx is known for is rally capabilities. It does its best work in the dirt. I know quite a bit about the rally wrx's but as far as the street ones go, i'm not all that sure. But personally i really don't see a whole lot of comparison between the two.

[DragonReborn214]

I think they are worth the hype. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[ca18guy]

Whats your question? You say "the WRX is a nice looking ride and has a great power plant that has huge potential" well you partly answer the title to this thread. The WRX isn't that hyped IMHO, but what do you expect it's the only cheap turbo import that you can buy brand new.

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (rubbersidedown @ May 12 2002,6:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">first off, the wrx is known for is rally capabilities. It does its best work in the dirt. I know quite a bit about the rally wrx's but as far as the street ones go, i'm not all that sure. But personally i really don't see a whole lot of comparison between the two.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
How many people are going to actually use it for that. &nbsp;Everyone knows the worthness of the 'rex in the dirt but we my friend live in a world full of asphalt. &nbsp;That's where the shit goes down here <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[tnord]

the WRX is the most easily upgradeable turbo equiped car since the mid 90's with the RX7, SupraTT, 300ZXTT, etc. but yet you can get into a WRX for what, 24k? c'mon, you can't deny it's sweetness. &nbsp;my 98 240 se was about 24k new, and the WRX would rip me a new asshole. &nbsp;that race where you supposedly walked away from him from, i'm gonna call shinanigans. assuming you got a redtop and no other mods (the only way you can even slightly justify comparing the 2) you should have what, 205hp at best? WRX has you beat by 22hp i think. i know it's heavier than you are, but it should also get a better launch. in the end i would say that it should be a very close race, so i doubt the WRX guy was trying very hard.

and that whole thing about "dismantling" the WRX at the track is a load of horseshit as well. you can't compare a stock WRX against a 240 with all that suspension work. lets equally equip both cars and see what happens shall we?

in conclusion, you're not as sweet as you think you are.

[SR20Fastback]

<!--QuoteBegin--tnord+May 12 2002,4<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 12 2002,4<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>5)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in conclusion, you're not as sweet as you think you are.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thank you for the cliffnotes tnord <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[nrcooled]

You my friend can call shenanigans but I don't have a stock redtop (I have no idea what all he had) &nbsp;

And call me cheap (or broke as shit) &nbsp;But 24k is a lot of money to me! &nbsp;I took the money I was going to use to buy a WRX and just put it into the redtop and mods

Once I get to take some new pics of my baby modded I will post (can't wait to get her dyno'd) &nbsp;But I know for a fact I am making more hp than a WRX. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

I love starting shit! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> &nbsp; Can I help it if my car is fast

[Takumi]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I love starting shit! Can I help it if my car is fast</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Ah, now I remember why I don't visit this board that often. &nbsp;It's just the thickheaded people just start too much shit about everyone else who doesn't drive a 240SX. damn elitists. -_-

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DragonReborn214 @ May 12 2002,6:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think they are worth the hype. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
In all actuallity they are sweet. &nbsp;I was going to get one but decided to put the money into the current ride. &nbsp;They handle well and look nice. &nbsp;With mods can put out 300hp easy. &nbsp;They are worth the hype <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp; But I still love my baby <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

I don't know if anyone read Bonzai but they had an article about the euro version of 'rex, sti, and impreza and they were putting out some sick numbers on the dyno <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[SR20Fastback]

isnt the sti supposed to put out somethin like 280bhp?

[DragonReborn214]

That's nothing... Look at this! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

<a href="http://cobbtuning.com/wrx/engineblock3.html" target='_blank'>http://cobbtuning.com/wrx/engineblock3.html</a>

http://cobbtuning.com/wrx/images/turbo_block_stage3.jpg

[Takumi]

Hey Dragon, how much did you get your Scooby? &nbsp;Cuz around here in Nor Cal, they're going for around $23k.

[DragonReborn214]

More than that, sadly... I got alot of options at around $24,300.

[misnomer]

For the love of God Dragon, shrink your sig!!! Half of this thread has been that bigass pick of your wrx (with a lot of border) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Anyhow, down to business. I don't think anybody could knock the WRX if they knew what they were talking about. $23k for that power and handling is unheard of from any other manufacturer. Needless to say, my (other) sister will be leaving her rex for me to play with for a coupla weeks, and I'll gladly park my s13 for that time.

[DragonReborn214]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (misnomer @ May 12 2002,11:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">For the love of God Dragon, shrink your sig!!! Half of this thread has been that bigass pick of your wrx (with a lot of border) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
There... a little smaller. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>

[transient]

Though still not small enough I'm afraid.

[SimpleS14]

WRX is way better than the 240SX, stock for stock. &nbsp;You have to put alot of money to get a 240 at the same level or better than a WRX. &nbsp;Thats time and alot of patience. &nbsp;The WRX is a good car and the aftermarket is nice....real nice &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> . &nbsp;I love does projector lights, and STi wing (WRC wing). &nbsp;I won't even touch the mechanical upgrades. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

Love that car, can't wait tell the STi comes over here. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

[AceInHole]

all i know is i'm behind one WRX by .124 seconds..... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ May 12 2002,6:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The WRX isn't that hyped IMHO, but what do you expect it's the only cheap turbo import that you can buy brand new.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
VW, Golf 1.8t and Jetta 1.8T.. Easily moddable, and in my opinion, better lookin than the wrx. &nbsp; and the Audi TT has a 220bhp turbo engine (same engine in the VW's but w/ more boost.)

[Kreator]

I often see wrxs on the road... and from constant looking at them i don't see anything special except for a 4wd and a turbo.... there is no beauty in it. So you can call me biased or whatever, but i'd rather turbo my 240...

Kre

[DragonReborn214]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 12 2002,4:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there is no beauty in it</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
http://www.seblan.com.au/Fogmorning1aa.jpg

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'>

[sil80]

WRX's rule................skylines rule, GTI's rule, Renaults rule,..... ooo ya 240s rule...
The thing is there are a lot of car that kick ass and all of them get attention so I dont see why you are labelling just the WRX.
Being the WRX gives out equal performance if not better then most of the those car but at only 24k there you can see why a lot of people are excited about it.
If you put a equally modded(doesnt matter on the amount of mods) S13 and a WRX together the wrx would probably always win... that is unless you were having a drift contest. Well, I dont event know about that cause awd drive drifts are pretty cool.
I guess in conclusion I dont see way people need to be negative towards another car for any reason..

[FastNissan]

From my experience of going to the drag strip I have seen a couple of WRX's with no visible mods, i.e. no exhaust, one put down a 13.4, the other was a sport wagon WRX and it ran 13.6.

They are pretty quick cars, and I like the awd for on the dirt, ice and snow. &nbsp;My first car was a 4wd Subaru, so I am kind of partial to them.

[BlackFox]

Drive a WRX around a corner at 90mph and you'll understand, i can't explain it to you. I was going to get one but i don't have enough money so i got a 240. hehe, Subaru's got a kick ass AWD system and that horozontally opposed engine balances out just like they say. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[nismo270r]

I must say...the WRX is one badass car...There's nothing like the sound of a turbo boxer engine...Here's a couple of snaps of my friend's WRX with a CWest body kit, 18" Dronell wheels, and Scooby Sports headlights:

http://home.insightbb.com/~nismo270r/ZilviaPictures/TimWRX-1.jpg
http://home.insightbb.com/~nismo270r/ZilviaPictures/TimWRX-2.jpg

I think the body kit looks nice, but I don't care much for it only because I'm a rally fan, and it makes the car look more "GTish". And I still think I like the STI headlights a lot better...Well, actually the WRC headlights would be the coolest...hehe...ALL KABAN FIBAH! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[adey]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 12 2002,9:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">VW, Golf 1.8t and Jetta 1.8T.. Easily moddable, and in my opinion, better lookin than the wrx. and the Audi TT has a 220bhp turbo engine (same engine in the VW's but w/ more boost.)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Just FYI, the Audi TT Quattro has a 1.8T engine putting out 225hp, with a K04 turbo and twin SMIC setup.
The VW 1.8T engines (found in the GTi, Golf and Jetta) put out 180hp and has a 1.8 K03 turbocharged single SMIC setup.

I'm not sure if the TT's actually running that much more boost, but the fact that it's got a bigger turbo probably makes up the majority of the larger (225) number.

"chipping" (aftermarket ECU that basically bumps the boost to ~1.1 bar) kicks HP and Torque of the VW 1.8T engines to ~ 200hp and 230lb/ft. That's a big jump for a ~550 dollar chip! And yes, that's a LOT of torque!


edit: I think that's an ugly body kit... just MHO. &nbsp;There are other WRX headlights that I prefer to your friends, as well as the WRC ones too... I like the heads on the black soob posted earlier by dragonreborn.
soobs are nice. I took a ride in a WRX wagon for a canyon run and I swear, that thing stuck to the road like nothing else!

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FastNissan @ May 13 2002,12:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">From my experience of going to the drag strip I have seen a couple of WRX's with no visible mods, i.e. no exhaust, one put down a 13.4, the other was a sport wagon WRX and it ran 13.6.

They are pretty quick cars, and I like the awd for on the dirt, ice and snow. My first car was a 4wd Subaru, so I am kind of partial to them.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmmm if iirc, there are very few mods you really need to turn up the boost if you already got a turbo... and exhaust isn't the easiest nor the most needed one, you can turn up the boost with a stock exhaust.... So there is your explanation....

Kre

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DragonReborn214 @ May 13 2002,12:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ May 12 2002,4:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">there is no beauty in it</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
http://www.seblan.com.au/Fogmorning1aa.jpg

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well I look at it and it's not that bad.... but then i remember the way my 240 looks and a wrx starts looking like crap.... I mean the car isn't ugly, but if you look at it, there is nothing that really catches your eye or excites you about it.... so unless you know it's performance stats, you don't see more than a sedan in it i guess.... after all it does have 4 doors &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

Kre

[HippoSleek]

Okay - First - the sig has GOT to shrink. &nbsp;That is awful!

I stand by my belief that the WRX is one of the ugliest cars on the road today. &nbsp;It IS a tremendous out of the box value in terms of performance - but so is a Moosetang. &nbsp;My favorite thing about it is that it is ONE car that had all that JDM hype bs surrounding it that we got - and it sells.

As for an SR beating a Rex - I think that is totally possible. &nbsp;Despite having a hp advantage and more traction off the line, the Subies have MASSIVE parasitic drivetrain loss. &nbsp;That alone is enough to make the hp/tq numbers about equal. &nbsp;Given the weight advantage of an s13, I think it is very believable.

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the Subies have MASSIVE parasitic drivetrain loss</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thank you very much Hippo, the last SCC had the 'rex dyno'd at like 160hp someone do the math
And the sr runs 6.3 0-60 time stock (bone stock) so w/ a couple of mods you are easily looking at sub 6 sec 0-60 equaling a 'rex and mods beyond that will be on par w/ mods to the 'rex

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[tnord]

i'm not doubting a modified SR will put nice exhaust fumes on the stock wrx's bumper, but lets compare stock cars vs stock cars and the like. you know very well mark that a wrx responds very well to modifications, maybe better than the SR.

EDIT: usually i hate body kits, but that does look pretty damn good. and btw, the wrx isn't supposed to be a "pretty" car.

[nrcooled]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 13 2002,09:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i'm not doubting a modified SR will put nice exhaust fumes on the stock wrx's bumper, but lets compare stock cars vs stock cars and the like. you know very well mark that a wrx responds very well to modifications, maybe better than the SR.

EDIT: usually i hate body kits, but that does look pretty damn good. and btw, the wrx isn't supposed to be a "pretty" car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
But who here would actually leave a car like that stock <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/notify.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':notify:'>
It just doesn't happen we all here have some type of desire to modify just some don't have the money or know-how

So why compare stock to stock when neither one of us was stock.

[sykikchimp]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ May 13 2002,07:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ May 12 2002,9:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">VW, Golf 1.8t and Jetta 1.8T.. Easily moddable, and in my opinion, better lookin than the wrx. and the Audi TT has a 220bhp turbo engine (same engine in the VW's but w/ more boost.)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Just FYI, the Audi TT Quattro has a 1.8T engine putting out 225hp, with a K04 turbo and twin SMIC setup.
The VW 1.8T engines (found in the GTi, Golf and Jetta) put out 180hp and has a 1.8 K03 turbocharged single SMIC setup.

I'm not sure if the TT's actually running that much more boost, but the fact that it's got a bigger turbo probably makes up the majority of the larger (225) number.

"chipping" (aftermarket ECU that basically bumps the boost to ~1.1 bar) kicks HP and Torque of the VW 1.8T engines to ~ 200hp and 230lb/ft. That's a big jump for a ~550 dollar chip! And yes, that's a LOT of torque!


edit: I think that's an ugly body kit... just MHO. There are other WRX headlights that I prefer to your friends, as well as the WRC ones too... I like the heads on the black soob posted earlier by dragonreborn.
soobs are nice. I took a ride in a WRX wagon for a canyon run and I swear, that thing stuck to the road like nothing else!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
yeah.. &nbsp;there is a lower TT that has the 180 hp engine in the Golf too.. &nbsp;I wasn't aware they used a K04.. (Neither was the audi dealer when I test drove it)

Either way, I would look into a VW Golf before a Subie, b/c I personally don't like the way the WRX looks..

[transient]

Would you guys stop calling it a Rex? Every time I see that I think you're talking about an RX7! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

As for the looks of the car, I really don't mind it. I really wish they would come out with a 2 door version of it, but that's the only thing I don't like that much. The fender flares look pretty sweet, and it's one of the few cars that actually looks good with a big spoiler.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ May 13 2002,08:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I stand by my belief that the WRX is one of the ugliest cars on the road today. It IS a tremendous out of the box value in terms of performance - but so is a Moosetang. My favorite thing about it is that it is ONE car that had all that JDM hype bs surrounding it that we got - and it sells.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
And mustangs look better.... and i heard from somewhere that they are initially designed by some japanese guy... anyone can confirm that?

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nismo270r @ May 13 2002,04:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">http://home.insightbb.com/~nismo270r/ZilviaPictures/TimWRX-1.jpg</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I bet the dog is like "WTF is that?!?!" <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Kre

[sykikchimp]

ROFL - Dog is probably like.. "that things gonna eat me.. "

edit- &nbsp;I think the older 2.5RS was a way better lookin car.

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (nrcooled @ May 14 2002,08:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 13 2002,09:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i'm not doubting a modified SR will put nice exhaust fumes on the stock wrx's bumper, but lets compare stock cars vs stock cars and the like. you know very well mark that a wrx responds very well to modifications, maybe better than the SR.

EDIT: usually i hate body kits, but that does look pretty damn good. and btw, the wrx isn't supposed to be a "pretty" car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
But who here would actually leave a car like that stock <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/notify.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':notify:'>
It just doesn't happen we all here have some type of desire to modify just some don't have the money or know-how

So why compare stock to stock when neither one of us was stock.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
alright fine, lets compare modified wrx to modified SR. iirc in the most recent issue of SCC, a 40 hp gain was had from an exhaust and some fuel mapping. can you do that? &nbsp;a different wrx was tested 60-0 in 105 ft. i'd be surprised if you Z32 upgrade people came within 10 ft of that. the same one did 0-60 in 4.8 with a larger intercooler, exhuast, boost controller, and larger turbo. can you do that? i don't know. it also ran the slolom faster than any car SCC had ever tested at 73.6 mph. so even if you are faster. YOU CAN'T KNOCK THE WRX FOR "ANYTHING" BUT APPEARANCE.

jack;"hey joe, i kicked the shit out of this RSX-S"
joe;"oh yeah, what kinda mods you got?"
jack;"i'm runnin 24 psi of boost with forged pistons, 3'' straight pipe, boost controller, ported and polished head, and 3 grand in other stuff."
joe; "wow jack, you're pretty sweet aren't you?"

[ca18guy]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 14 2002,06:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">jack;"hey joe, i kicked the shit out of this RSX-S"
joe;"oh yeah, what kinda mods you got?"
jack;"i'm runnin 24 psi of boost with forged pistons, 3'' straight pipe, boost controller, ported and polished head, and 3 grand in other stuff."
joe; "wow jack, you're pretty sweet aren't you?"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
jack: yeah, you see joe it does'nt matter if you win by an inch or a mile.....

[nrcooled]

iirc in that same issue of scc they spent 1k on that damn remapping for the ecu and the stage 0 kit not to mention the $600 exhaust they put on the m/f. &nbsp;So yes I did money on my ride but to make the 'rex faster you will have to spend the same money that I put in to get my SR up to my standard.

Pull the June issue out and have another look <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

[ca18guy]

I still don't see the point of this thread &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blush.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':blush:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

<span style='font-size:7.2pt;line-height:100%'>+1 vote to lock it</span>

[rotaryknight]

Ok the WRX is definetly a great car. &nbsp;Easily upgradeable...I was lucky enough to drive HKS' WRX from HKS to Bakersfield. &nbsp;That thing has a GT2835 and hauled ass! &nbsp;Given you can make both cars fast but also only one is actually turbocharged in the US.

First of all saying that a modded SR can beat a stock WRX is a stupid post. &nbsp;That's like saying oh I bougth a Datsun 510 for $500 put a SR in it for 3k and modded it with another 5k......AND I JUST BEAT A STOCK PORCHE TURBO! &nbsp;Porche suck they are expensive and so slow..... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> &nbsp;it doesn't work that way.

I'd rather have a 12 second Porche than a 10 sec 510 or 10 sec 240sx.

[luey02]

fuck comparing performance of two cars.. &nbsp;they both are capable of reachin anyone's goals.. &nbsp;but the general consensus is that the car is damn ugly! &nbsp; (dont mean to bash your car, dragon) &nbsp;why having same fender flares front and rear I do not know...

subaru needs new designers..

[Kreator]

I think both cars can go very far modifications wise if you got money. But at the point when both are at the max and running about the same, you can't leave the fact that 240sx is much nicer looking than a WRX. And i don't think you can make wrx look nicer because the whole design lacks beauty....

1 more vote to lock it.....

Kre

[azboy]

why does everyone like to compare the wrx with the 240? &nbsp;everyone has different taste in looks and performance. &nbsp;IMO I think both cars look damn good and has great potential but I brought a s13 because it's cheaper. &nbsp;if i had a choice between the two cars, i'd go with the wrx. &nbsp;

anyone can make a car go fast if they had enough money END OF STORY! rather it be a wrx, 240, civic, geo metro, etc.... $$$ is what matters, not what you drive. &nbsp;and who gives a shit about stock vs. stock because honestly people, who here is really interested in racing a car that is stock? &nbsp;if you want to race stock vs. stock then why swap the ka motor for an sr? &nbsp;we all know nissan don't make sr20det equiped cars in the US. &nbsp;wrx in japan have more HP then they do here so how come no one is comparing the 240 against the JDM WRX?

[tnord]

alright, there have been some utterly retarded comments as of late, but i won't say who because i'm just that nice
somebody please lock this

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 13 2002,08:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i'm not doubting a modified SR will put nice exhaust fumes on the stock wrx's bumper, but lets compare stock cars vs stock cars and the like. you know very well mark that a wrx responds very well to modifications, maybe better than the SR.

EDIT: usually i hate body kits, but that does look pretty damn good. and btw, the wrx isn't supposed to be a "pretty" car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I refuse to be baited into the whole which "engine is better" discussion that this always flows into. &nbsp;Nonetheless, I will grant that the Rex (not Rx7, not CRX) and the SR both respond well to mods.

STILL, I think that the AWD platform is inherently limited in it's motorsports utility. &nbsp;Sorry Travis - but there is a reason that all sports cars are RWD. &nbsp;Sorry #2 is that 60' times are useless in the a true sports car. &nbsp;Any fast car has a traction problem in the short run - the WRX overcomes that w/ extra drive wheels. &nbsp;In the long run, those extra wheels either 1) slow it down at speed b/c of parasitic loss or 2) cause broken trannys anytime you get above 320 hp. &nbsp;

Braking - well - I don't know what kind of tires they were using or whether they had ABS... of course, SCC isn't going to test brakes to the point of fade and I doubt they account for the tires on any particular car. &nbsp;At any rate, pads and fluid are a matter of personal choice, but I bet my car stops as good w/ OEM calipers as about any modified Subie.

Now all this isn't to say that Subies are crap or overrated. &nbsp;Crap and over-rating are, IMHO, subjective inquiries. &nbsp;One man's sports car is another man's joke. &nbsp;The only thing that is for sure is that it IS ugly <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;What it is to say is that it isn't a giant killer. &nbsp;Prosches aren't running for the hills. &nbsp;hell, 2.5 RS's still kill them in autox. &nbsp;Good car - sure. &nbsp;But a revolution that none of us should live w/o - dear god I hope not.

Mark
-who is still where he has been for the last 14 hours... work...

[tnord]

well, 4wd does have limitations, but does anybody here that i don't know of competitively race their car, much less get paid to do so? i didn't think so. so while your point about it's problems in motorsports may be valid, they don't really apply to any of us. mark, you know that i know RWD is the superior setup, i'll assume you just mentioned that for the others. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

maybe SCC did test to the point of fade, maybe they didn't. how many of us run into brake fade issues? not many. and that comment you made about your car stopping better than ANY modified scooby, well, i'll leave that be.

Ugly? i sure don't think so
Giant Killer? too soon to tell

bottom line, i've been arguing the scooby side so diligently because of the intial stupid comment

"will put you on the right track to absolutely dismantiling the WRX at the track"

not because i think one car is better than the other

comparing modified used cars to new cars, is, in my worthless opinion *bleep* *bleep* and only people with *bleep* *bleep* do it.

[DragonReborn214]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ May 13 2002,1:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry Travis - but there is a reason that all sports cars are RWD. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Skyline? 911 Turbo?

[Ballistic-Mobile.com]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ May 13 2002,1:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">fuck comparing performance of two cars.. they both are capable of reachin anyone's goals.. but the general consensus is that the car is damn ugly! (dont mean to bash your car, dragon) why having same fender flares front and rear I do not know...

subaru needs new designers..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Okay this isn't a 2002 wrx, but i think there is no denying that Subaru used to know how to design supercars <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> http://www.subarucy.com/home/showroom/specials/wrc1.jpg http://www.j-garage.com/subaru/sti4/22b-01.gif http://www.j-garage.com/subaru/sti4/22b-02.gif <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> This is a 1998 Subaru wrx 22B &nbsp;
I think this ends the generalization of the words "ugly wrx." &nbsp;I will only let that be said about the 2002 wrx <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ballistic-Mobile.com @ May 13 2002,10:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (luey02 @ May 13 2002,1:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">fuck comparing performance of two cars.. they both are capable of reachin anyone's goals.. but the general consensus is that the car is damn ugly! (dont mean to bash your car, dragon) why having same fender flares front and rear I do not know...

subaru needs new designers..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Okay this isn't a 2002 wrx, but i think there is no denying that Subaru used to know how to design supercars <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> http://www.subarucy.com/home/showroom/specials/wrc1.jpg http://www.j-garage.com/subaru/sti4/22b-01.gif http://www.j-garage.com/subaru/sti4/22b-02.gif <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'> This is a 1998 Subaru wrx 22B
I think this ends the generalization of the words "ugly wrx." I will only let that be said about the 2002 wrx <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I'd say the rear is still ugly....

[AceInHole]

the front looks too S14'ish... i think that's why all the Subie drivers around here wave to me everytime they pass by..... I always wondered about that.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AceInHole @ May 13 2002,10:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the front looks too S14'ish... i think that's why all the Subie drivers around here wave to me everytime they pass by..... I always wondered about that.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmm to me it looks more GTRish than s14ish....

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 13 2002,9:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, 4wd does have limitations, but does anybody here that i don't know of competitively race their car, much less get paid to do so? i didn't think so. so while your point about it's problems in motorsports may be valid, they don't really apply to any of us. mark, you know that i know RWD is the superior setup, i'll assume you just mentioned that for the others. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

maybe SCC did test to the point of fade, maybe they didn't. how many of us run into brake fade issues? not many. and that comment you made about your car stopping better than ANY modified scooby, well, i'll leave that be.

Ugly? i sure don't think so
Giant Killer? too soon to tell

bottom line, i've been arguing the scooby side so diligently because of the intial stupid comment

"will put you on the right track to absolutely dismantiling the WRX at the track"

not because i think one car is better than the other

comparing modified used cars to new cars, is, in my worthless opinion *bleep* *bleep* and only people with *bleep* *bleep* do it.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The point about motorsports was to say that they really don't handle that well beyond the midspeed cornering that awd excell in. &nbsp;It was more a dig at handling that racing. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'> &nbsp;From what I've seen, WRX's get owned at autox by 2.5's and rolled on the track by me. &nbsp;Sure a lot of it is driving, but there's a point where I think the car just isn't really all that.

Notice that the braking comment was "as good... as about any Subie." &nbsp;Note the qualifier "about." &nbsp;Again, the point is that brakes are what you make them. &nbsp;To the point that 60-0 is a useful indicator of braking performance (I think 115-40 is better <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> ), a few feet one way or the other is only the difference in whether you run down some kid chasing a ball into the street. &nbsp;The bigger point is that my car will stop about as well as those - w/o the hype.

U-G-L-Y - that's the only daoistic truth in this whole discussion &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

Giant killer - not if it throws tranny parts on the ground at just over 300whp. &nbsp;Drivelines are an inherent problem in any awd car w/ must above 15/85 f/r bias (see, 911 turbo) unless it's got some tricky gadgetry (see GTR - which isn't really a sports car, sorry. &nbsp;But that's another place where JDM whores will hate me.). &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

But, it's all good - yeah - I know why you've been arguing this... just like I have... &nbsp;Someone has to stand up for the deep end of the gene pool <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp;Honestly, I'd consider owning a WRX if it weren't for a few things: 1) Subie built quality sucks; 2) if I buy a boxy sedan/coupe it will be a 3-series; and 3) those things are like Civic Si's around here... oh yeah, and did I mention how butt a$4 ugly that thing is? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[tnord]

alright.......i took the braking comment too literally. you're probably right about the brakes thing, 115-40 is a more accurate competition comparison. &nbsp;and i totally agree that awd is useless in the mid-high speed corners.

ugly....i still don't think so &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

i think we've reached a pretty common ground on this, don't you mark? except for the whole ugly thing of course.

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 14 2002,09:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">alright.......i took the braking comment too literally. you're probably right about the brakes thing, 115-40 is a more accurate competition comparison. and i totally agree that awd is useless in the mid-high speed corners.

ugly....i still don't think so <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

i think we've reached a pretty common ground on this, don't you mark? except for the whole ugly thing of course.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yup. &nbsp;The funny thing is that when you have true enthusiasts, there are few things, beyond subjective likes and dislikes, that can't be explained, understood and appreciated. &nbsp;We always land in about the same place... but it's fun to get there w/ someone who can actually make me think about it.

Okay, now back to picking on people for bitching about "ricers in 240s" as they contrast those people with others that are cooly "jocking" their JDM style. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>