So guys...just dropped off my S13 at RnD

[Animosity]

Should be a week or so until I get it back. I really don't care if they take longer, I just want the job to be well done. I'm pretty damn excited to get her back as I have never had a quick car (note: NA Zs are slow :-( ). So, let me share my excitement with you guys...here is my future set-up:

http://www.askthedrunk.com/rage/me/rp01s/DSCN0218.jpg

Black Top Engine
RPS Flywheel
RPS Clutch
Greddy Downpipe
Greddy Elbow
Koyo Radiator
Walbro Fuel Pump
S14 turbo

I know there are a few things I'm forgeting like a turbo timer and what not but they will come in the near future. I just wanted to get everything in that would be a bitch to install later if I didn't do it now. So....thanks for looking, any comments or suggestions appreciated.

A picture of my women:

http://www.askthedrunk.com/rage/me/rp01s/DSCN0215.jpg

[i8yourfwd]

Nice.. good luck man... how much is your setup going to cost you?

[wootwoot]

Turbo timers are over rated anyway, just drive easy for the last minute before you park the car and sit there for 15 seconds before you turn her off. What brakes are on your 240??

[Animosity]

Nice.. good luck man... how much is your setup going to cost you?

Ummm think everything is about 4.5, give or take.


Poor poor bank account :-(

Turbo timers are over rated anyway, just drive easy for the last minute before you park the car and sit there for 15 seconds before you turn her off. What brakes are on your 240??

Yea, thats how I feel as well. Z32 brakes, SS lines all around, Metal Axiss pads and brembo drill rotors, an Z32 MC.

[ThatGuy]

^Next time, use the http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/buttons/edit.gif button. Double posts don't fly.

[Animosity]

^Next time, use the http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/buttons/edit.gif button. Double posts don't fly.

??? Did I double post? Wierd...sorry about that.

[ThatGuy]

You answered 2 questions back to back with their own post, and no one else's post in between. That counts as a double post. Good luck with your car. Hope it turns out how you want it to. :wavey:

[420sx]

Turbo timers are over rated anyway, just drive easy for the last minute before you park the car and sit there for 15 seconds before you turn her off. What brakes are on your 240??
yes. thank you! you dont need em. just fo bling.

[Animosity]

My thoughts exactly for BOVs

[nrg]

turbo timer are pointless. the stock turbos are watercooled, sure cooling it down does help but very little. if the turbo was only oil cooled, then i would see a point of using a turbo timer.

there was a bov question? bov are pointless too btw.

[DJPimpFlex]

there was a bov question? bov are pointless too btw.

They sound fuckin cool as hell, thats the only reason.

[wootwoot]

BOV's are pointless on certain set ups, some turbos do not take well to the abuse that can happen from compressor surge though. I stand by it this way on most things auto related, if the factory had it, you need it too.

p.s. I highly recommend you do some rocker arm stoppers as well....
Good to see you did the full conversion!

[Animosity]

Yea...I'm surely going to get some rocker arm stoppers, not sure what brand yet but I will certainly do this before I turn up the boost. Thanks for the advice.

[Pank]

My thoughts exactly for BOVs


uhhh, BOV's aren't pointless, they come in LOTS of stock turbo cars. now, loud ones that vent to atmosphere, making your car pig ass rich ARE pointless.

[wootwoot]

Yea...I'm surely going to get some rocker arm stoppers, not sure what brand yet but I will certainly do this before I turn up the boost. Thanks for the advice.

It doesnt matter so much on the boost that is doing being in the high revs a lot. They are easy to install and cheap, have it be one of the first things you do to your motor.

[whitey240]

Ummm think everything is about 4.5, give or take.


Poor poor bank account :-(



Yea, thats how I feel as well. Z32 brakes, SS lines all around, Metal Axiss pads and brembo drill rotors, an Z32 MC.

I guess thats not to bad, I have been trying to figure out what to charge for swapping the engine.

[sweet89s13]

why dont you swap it yourself. ive owned many cars/trucks and these cars are by far the easiest to work on. i removed a stock sr and tranny and kade from the respected chassis and that took one weekend once the motor is sent back from enjuku, it will take a weekend to install the sr and wire up. these cars are simple and you dont need many tools to get it done. you can do it with your basic tool set and save a crap load of $$. try it sometime, its not as scary as you think.

[S13 Charlie]

Hey Chris,

Let me know when you get your car back, I would like to check it out. I'm glad to see that your car is really coming together. Now, if only I didn't hit a mercedes with mine, I'd have more money to throw at my S13 :rant2:

cheers,

Charlie

[the head]

uhhh, BOV's aren't pointless, they come in LOTS of stock turbo cars. now, loud ones that vent to atmosphere, making your car pig ass rich ARE pointless.

the car will only run pig rich on an MAF setup. using speed density (MAP) you will eliminate this problem.

[mr_240sx]

the car will only run pig rich on an MAF setup. using speed density (MAP) you will eliminate this problem.
using a SAFCII or EMS solves that problem as well!

[EchoOfSilence]

which RnD are you talking about? AutoRnD? that's pretty far from pasadena...

[cheez80]

rndfactory? montebello?

[Animosity]

Yes, that one. Sorry for not specifying.

Edit: Strange, it wouldn't let me quote you. But yes, the one in Montebello.

[supportTHEezln]

Good thing it wouldn't, because this happened earlier =\
You answered 2 questions back to back with their own post, and no one else's post in between. That counts as a double post. Good luck with your car. Hope it turns out how you want it to. :wavey:

On another note, let us know how you like their work. I met the owner the other day, seemed pretty cool, interested in the shop.

[S14-vietusmc]

you took it to R&D in gardena right?

[Dousan_PG]

r&d dyno is gardena, they dont do swaps and such i believe, just tune jobs
he said above rndfactory in montebello

it seems...

[SRd240sx]

oohhh gotta love taht excitement when you're just about to get a "new" car

:P

[Buttasc0ttch]

Let me know how it goes b/c I was thinking about taking my car over their as well but getting the 2800. red top deal. From what I've heard that have a respectable name, so you should be in good hands. I thought 4500.00 was kind of pricey.

[Animosity]

Heh, 2800 red top deal...that is funny. 2800, lol. That is just the basic basic engine, not goodies. I'm getting quite a few goodies and my s13 should be considerably faster than a stock red top s13 engine. I start at 3000 then I thought to myself that with that much money, I'd rather add the extra 2 or what not and make it something I'll be extremely happy with and not have too much more to add. I basically got a little carried away and spoiled myself too much with this swap but it is OK.

I should get it back Monday, was supposed to be Sunday....I'll make sure to post an update.

[allstar]

My friend just got the redtop deal from RnD + 5 speed conversion to he’s s13. Everything was done clean and so far no complains :)

[420sx]

you should have done this yourself, you learn quiet a few things and its really not that hard.

[Buttasc0ttch]

Yeah but if he makes a mistake, lets say with the wiring harness, he gots to pay more $$ just to fix his mistake, which I'm pretty sure he does not want to do.

[s13 dirk]

I have an appointment to drop my car off there on the 15th! The owner is a really cool guy. But I might just be getting a blacktop with no extra goodies on top. =)

[Buttasc0ttch]

Post up some pics and stuff after the swap, so you can attract some of us "maybe" buyers! haha

[Animosity]

you should have done this yourself, you learn quiet a few things and its really not that hard.

Heh, not really an option when I work over 30 hours a week and have a full-time school schedule of upper division courses. My schedule pretty much sucks and it would be a pretty bad decision for me to do the swap my self for my than one reason.

[luckie2hav3her]

u think ur excited?? i remember when i was like you.... i went to autolink dropped off a fat like 5g's for almost the same setup as urs..... plus a auto - 5spd swap.... and i was excited as hell to get her back.... trust me its 10000x better of a feeling when u do it urself, i was intimidated as hell to even think about swapping the sr myself.... i recently did it like couple of months back with the help from a very cool friend, ken flores, he basically showed me what to do and its easy as hell.... IMO $1000 for a swap??? too over fuckin priced, but then again business is business and u gotta make money .... if anything just have someone do ur harness for 200 and do the wrenching urself, shit I wouldve helped you and showed u everything about ur car for $100 =P with ur schedule im sure u can find a day to prep for the swap and with someone showing u and the right tools, u can do it in one day easy..... but yea... congrats and hope u get her back perfect!

[Animosity]

u think ur excited?? i remember when i was like you.... i went to autolink dropped off a fat like 5g's for almost the same setup as urs..... plus a auto - 5spd swap.... and i was excited as hell to get her back.... trust me its 10000x better of a feeling when u do it urself, i was intimidated as hell to even think about swapping the sr myself.... i recently did it like couple of months back with the help from a very cool friend, ken flores, he basically showed me what to do and its easy as hell.... IMO $1000 for a swap??? too over fuckin priced, but then again business is business and u gotta make money .... if anything just have someone do ur harness for 200 and do the wrenching urself, shit I wouldve helped you and showed u everything about ur car for $100 =P with ur schedule im sure u can find a day to prep for the swap and with someone showing u and the right tools, u can do it in one day easy..... but yea... congrats and hope u get her back perfect!

Thanks for the wishes. Seriously, it isn't worth it for me. I thought about it, had a friend to help and honestly, it just wouldn't work out right. The extra dough I'm shelling out for someone to do the work is fine with me, I thought about this a lot and weighed out my options extensively.

[s13 dirk]

yeah some of us really don't have the time for a DIY swap. I'd rather shell out the money to have someone else do it for me rather than screw something up and pay MORE in the long run. If you want to see some of the swaps they've done you can check out this thread:

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=92134

[420sx]

Heh, not really an option when I work over 30 hours a week and have a full-time school schedule of upper division courses. My schedule pretty much sucks and it would be a pretty bad decision for me to do the swap my self for my than one reason.
i got full time upper division classes in university, 2 jobs, 40 hours + a week of work, plus gym. i did my swap on springbreak for a reason


btw if i was to do that swap again, counting if the harness is already done, it shouldnt take more than 10 hours all together, pulling ka and puting the sr in hooking up, yada yada yada, then troubleshooting. 10-12 hours max.

[Wei240]

some ppl just don't have space/tools/equipment to do diy
also it could also be their only car...

or just lazy (like me)

but on topic again,
anything else you gonna add at rnd, sounds good

[luckie2hav3her]

oh wow redtop for 2800 installed?? that shit is good.... and yea ur right the one of the major problems about doing it yourself is having the space, i have everything else but the damn space!! >.<

hmmm i might have rnd do my shit instead too

lol i never knew the name of that shop so i always called it "that railroad shop" cuz it was next to the train tracks, ha how ironic and it was them the whole time

but yeah ive done business with them before and they are great guys, +1 for rnd

[Red Square]

oh wow redtop for 2800 installed?? that shit is good.... and yea ur right the one of the major problems about doing it yourself is having the space, i have everything else but the damn space!! >.<

hmmm i might have rnd do my shit instead too

lol i never knew the name of that shop so i always called it "that railroad shop" cuz it was next to the train tracks, ha how ironic and it was them the whole time

but yeah ive done business with them before and they are great guys, +1 for rnd

i recently did it like couple of months back with the help from a very cool friend, ken flores

so how do you know ken..... do you know him through R&D/"the railroad shop?"

[luckie2hav3her]

so how do you know ken..... do you know him through R&D/"the railroad shop?"

well i got his name off of 240sxsocal.org long ass time ago when i lived in montebello and i saw that he was from there too, so i hit him up just to get to know all the 240 people around my area, after that he was really friendly with helping me out with questions i had about my car, i also bought some stuff off of him as well, he's a great guy

[DP_Michelle G]

Animosity any updates on your swap?

[nrg]

it's much better to do the swap yourself with friends. you get to learn and have fun.
$1999 for s13 redtop front clip from passwordjdm. for those that would like to do it themself.

[YakuzaS14]

i also heard about their 2800 redtop deal sounds so good but has anyone got it done

[nrg]

I can match the price of $2800. PM me.

[Louie]

so... any updates?

[mixedwell]

edward from RnD factory is a nice guy. i got my blacktop from him and its as cherry as good engines get. i know they do good work from experience, but i did my swap myself. you should be happy. good luck!

-;)

[BOMEX180]

I was going to take my car to RnD but I ended up using my money for Christmas gifts and other stuff.

[Revolver Ocelot]

Animosity, any updates? Did you ever get this thing done?

[Animosity]

Yes I had this done. I have video if anyone is interested.

[dacalac]

tell us about the experience and the interaction with the staff. How would you rate them and the engine?

[240trainee]

Yes I had this done. I have video if anyone is interested.


Well, pictures, experience with the shop, come one man ;) :wavey:

[Animosity]

I guess it wouldn't hurt giving a really late response to this thread. RnD is a true asset to the 240sx community. Edward is a great guy to deal with and these people seem like their really out to provide a valuable service at a decent prices. It seems like this place deals with turn over quite commonly but as it would be expected since a lot of their staff is younger.

The engine I had swapped was great to me. Great engine, amazing power, and it never left me stranded. If anyone has any specific questions I'd be glad to answer them. Thanks.

[TonKpilS14]

Hey animosity.. if u need a turbo timer i had 2 ;) 1 is missing the wire. $20 shipped cuz i cant find it. its HKS

and i have a greddy 1 thats pretty much brand new for $60 shipped.

just incase u want 1. good luck with the build

[steve shadows]

So guys...just dropped off my S13 at RnD

Im sorry to hear that.

good luck man, hope everything is ok man

sucks to hear









haha naw jk good luck

[Kuzumi]

how do you like the set up? what are you probably going to change next when you can?

[Flybert]

I guess it wouldn't hurt giving a really late response to this thread. RnD is a true asset to the 240sx community. Edward is a great guy to deal with and these people seem like their really out to provide a valuable service at a decent prices. It seems like this place deals with turn over quite commonly but as it would be expected since a lot of their staff is younger.

The engine I had swapped was great to me. Great engine, amazing power, and it never left me stranded. If anyone has any specific questions I'd be glad to answer them. Thanks.

I couldn't disagree with you any more. Edward doesn't know shit about SR's and he doesn't know shit about customer service. His low price is a reflection of the quality of motors they provide. I can tell you about four horror stories from friends of mine who made the mistake of dealing with RnD. I can't imagine how many other people Edward has screwed in the past. If you want a gunked up motor running 30 degrees timing and rod knock, go to RnD by all means.

Animosity, you obviously don't know shit or you're obviously a friend of Edwards.

A true asset to the 240sx community are shops like phase2motortrend and SR20store who have been around since the beginning providing great customer service and good products.



Here's an experience that my friend and I had with RnD factory. Read below. And for the record, I'm not the only one who's had to scoop oil out of an RnD motor with a spoon and spatula.

^^^ Damn Fly you're gonna bash R&D like that? Even though Jack's not there any more, Ed still hooks it up and the mechanics aren't bad. I'd get a swap done at R&D if I needed to.

G Dimensions/Marco/Garage Boso are all good shops too ~

Ed from RNDFactory "hooked it up" with a motor that looked like this on the inside. It came with a bad ECU, hacked up wiring harness, the cam timing was off, the motor had rod knock, and the sludge killed the turbo on start up. We did 4 oil changes on the motor and it was still sludged up to all hell. All he wanted to "hook us up" with is some new bearings to help with the rebuild.

New bearing don't give us the turbo back.
New bearings don't replace the grinded up crank that needs to be replaced. New bearings don't replace the rocker arms and cams that were grinded up. New bearings don't pay for the machine shop to rebuild the head and block. New bearings don't give me my weekends back troubleshooting the stupid "motorset" all to find out it has rod knock and he won't replace it.
New bearings don't do shit and Ed is kidding himself if he thinks that makes up for the way he treated us.

Ed blamed it on us for taking 4 months to get the car up and running. When you have that many things wrong with a motor and can only work on it on the weekends, how do you expect to get it running right in a months time when you have to troubleshoot every single thing that came with the motor.

He knew there was sludge in the motor at the very beginning after I had Jack talk to ed about it to find out what we should do. He knew it had a bad ECU because he replaced it. He denies the fact that the mechanical timing was off and said we installed the CAS wrong. He made it out like I was lying to him that I had to fix the mechanical timing. I know how to stab a CAS and I know how to time a motor. I had to fix the mechanical timing to get it running right because the stupid chain was off. He then said, sometimes we have to set the timing to 30 degrees to get them to run right like as if he knows all these special tricks of the trade. I feel bad for all the cars they set up to 30 degrees at their shop. Say good bye to your pistons and piston rings. I prefer OEM 15 degrees all day long, all day strong, especially with cali piss gas.

I am not knocking anyone that works at RND. My only beef is with Ed since he's the one in charge and he's the one that made the decision not to replace the block.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d56/pandapandared/Img_0334.jpg

[randyjordan]

wow..thats shitty

was this the sr chris bought?

[HWYKING]

Edward from RnD is awesome and the whole staff does great work. they did my brothers swap 2 years ago, and we have not had any issues since. my buddys swap was completed 2 months ago and my cuzn is goin in oct. they do awesome work and help out with any issues/questions you may have.:rawk:

[Flybert]

wow..thats shitty

was this the sr chris bought?

That's the one. Ended up buying a longblock from SR20Store and it runs tip top.

[k's_silvia2.0]

Yup Edward and R&D are legit gonna get a front clip from them for my project.

[steve shadows]

I
A true asset to the 240sx community are shops like phase2motortrend and SR20store who have been around since the beginning providing great customer service and good products.




yeah i was going to say this but was too pussy to start dick measuring in the thread...

gotta love when business parteners grenade relations with an asset too.

takes years to put shit back together.

[jrmiller84]

i got full time upper division classes in university, 2 jobs, 40 hours + a week of work, plus gym. i did my swap on springbreak for a reason.

I did mine during full time spring semester + 40 hour full time work, booya!

...but I failed two classes... haha :keke:

[uhtjoogoorih]

for those of you that got your swaps and runs fine from RnD, i'd say you guys are pretty lucky. i went there to check it out cuz they were cheaper than other places. but when i went there, one of the guy i talked to was straight up "we can get it done, but we don't guarantee our work. you get what you pay for." so i was like wtf...what a great way to attract customers. so as soon as i stepped out called up marco at sr20store and got my shit done there. he may cost a lil bit more, but his service is beyond worth the extra cost. but if it's already in RnD's hands....i wish you the best of luck. haha

[StaticX27]

Im sorry to hear that.

good luck man, hope everything is ok man

sucks to hear









haha naw jk good luck

I'd say the thing, except I wouldn't be joking. If you've ever seen some of the clips Edward has sold, you'd know better than to deal with em. To answer questions, yes I have seen em, I've helped offload a couple of them myself. He's shady as hell, talks a lot of shit, and doesn't back a damn thing he says.

Why is he still in business? Well, even swap shops get it right once in awhile, and its those people that keep him in business.

[k's_silvia2.0]

^Maybe Edward just doesnt like you.

[Flybert]

^Maybe Edward just doesnt like you.

And this justifies edward screwing people? Your logic is retarded.

[luisgonz]

HAHAHAHA:keke: Just imagine if i did that to everyone I hate. Thats alot of people. Weird thinking Im with flybert:bigok:

[k's_silvia2.0]

And this justifies edward screwing people? Your logic is retarded.

I have never heard such thing till now ive been dealing with him for
over 1 year now and hes always been helpful and never screwed me.
So I guess for those who have been "Screwed" sorry to hear.:2f2f:

[fliprayzin240sx]

I have never heard such thing till now ive been dealing with him for
over 1 year now and hes always been helpful and never screwed me.
So I guess for those who have been "Screwed" sorry to hear.:2f2f:

From the horrible stories ive heard about this shop...it could be anyday now till you get screwed...:bigok:

[k's_silvia2.0]

From the horrible stories ive heard about this shop...it could be anyday now till you get screwed...:bigok:

Seems that some^ of you are upset that I havent been screwed over:mephfawk: Funny.

[StaticX27]

^Maybe Edward just doesnt like you.

Edward never got my business, ever, because I knew how his business worked well enough never to go there.

And like the man said, personal preferences on a person should not influence your business practices. Anyone who does that deserves to be shut down. Don't service them, correct. Screw them over? You're asking for a law suit. I guess that's the advantage of dealing with people who have no money and go to him because he's cheaper, they can't afford a lawyer and won't seek legal action against him.

But then again, he doesn't warranty his work. I guess that means his work is just so bad ass that he doesn't need to? He knows those parts so well inside and out that he can guarantee their perfect, and of course his employees are definitely not just some punk kids who work on cars. Nope, they're engineers, so of course them making a mistake is impossible. Thats why you should definitely take your car to Edward, he's so good he doesn't even have to guarantee his work!

Oh, before you go thinking you know his business because you've dealt with him for over a year, understand that I've seen how his process works from the back end. I won't say anything here, as that's his business. But I can tell you that he's not as "cool" or "honest" or "straight up" as many of you are lead to believe. He's a salesman, of course he's going to come off like your best friend, that's rule #1 of sales. And those of you who buy that act, well, that's your own fault.

[k's_silvia2.0]

Whatever the case is with other's experience is something I havent seen
from edward.So if your feel hurt about it sorry.I went to edward cuz he was recommended to me by someone I know and trust very much.

[StaticX27]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=1224396&postcount=70

Since I didn't feel like writing it out again, there's one instance of Edward's reputation. Understand this wasn't just some guy who walked in, this is a guy who has sold Edward numerous parts for a good price and was promised a turn-key swap. He was someone Edward considered a "friend." And this is the kind of treatment he gave his "friend."

I'm not saying anything against you, so don't take my comments as a personal attack against you, and no, my feelings aren't hurt by your comments. However, if I had my way, I'd have Edward out of business so he can't screw anyone else.

[nrg]

There's rumors going around that RnD outsource the work done to their customer's car. =)

[k's_silvia2.0]

^Rumors huh?Anyway im just telling my experience there and with Edward:)

[Animosity]

lol wow this thread sure did turn into a cluster fuck. Anyway, take my advice for what its worth. I have no affiliations with anything Nissan related anymore so my feedback is not biased in any way. I have no motive to lie. I found out about RnD through this site and they provided me excellent service for almost 2 solid years.

It sucks that not everyone had the same great experience but you're not going to find that with any business.

[DRIFTING_SIL_EIGHTY]

There's rumors going around that RnD outsource the work done to their customer's car. =)

I second that. And I met the guy in person who got screwed, or should I say "sugared".

[kensreliableb18b]

hah, this is funny.

RnD? no thanks. people who had their swap done there: either u guys got real lucky or you guys dont know wtf went into your car and what you're looking at (almost always the latter).

phase2
g-dimension
jspec
sr20store

who else do i trust 1000x over RnD? the list goes on and on

but ahhh welll, there will always be people on a budget. and this is why they stay in business.

[StaticX27]

lol wow this thread sure did turn into a cluster fuck. Anyway, take my advice for what its worth. I have no affiliations with anything Nissan related anymore so my feedback is not biased in any way. I have no motive to lie. I found out about RnD through this site and they provided me excellent service for almost 2 solid years.

It sucks that not everyone had the same great experience but you're not going to find that with any business.

Actually I have a number of shops I deal with on a regular basis that have good solid reputations and have yet to have an issue they don't deal with appropriately. However, most of these shops are Japanese owned, or the owner has a very Japanese mentality. Not trying to be racist, but most Japanese shops take care of their customers first and money comes second. Not that way with other ethnicities unfortunately. Again, this is a generalized statement, but ethnicity does affect a person's work ethics

[steve shadows]

as said before there are only a very small handful of shops that ive dealt with that I would call assets or great.

P2M, SR20Store, thats about it.

You get what you pay for too.

When me and john started RPSport in 2002-3 we got over motorswaps very quickly, but outsourced almost nothing.

These shops that are hidding their EK civics under tarps and changing the sign on the fronts of the building to reflect the drifting trend (all way the F behind the curve here) are now drifting experts, srmotorcarspecialists and RB fanatics...

im sure, im so fukcing sure

I mean ive been driving SRs around longer than some of these "shop owners" could legally drive in this state.

I havent had much personal experience with R and D so I can add fuel to the shit talking fire.

Im sure they are great like tony the tiger...