Exaust

[CTL]

Hi, for everyone that has an exaust, do you guys get pulled over? If you guys do have any of you guys gotten a fix it ticket? In CA Cops like to give tickets out for this and its not a fix it ticket here anymore cops just say u cant modify exaust and give a ticket that cost a pretty penny to pay? Please tell me your experiences.............

[Arcane]

hasn't happened to me...and i doubt it ever will...

[tnord]

i don't live in california, but i keep hearing stories about people gettin tickets, and frankly, it pisses me off.  what's the reasoning behind getting a ticket, it doesn't have anything to do with noise regulations does it?  i thought it was CARB that was pullin this bs.  and we all know that installing a cat-back has nothing to do with emissions.  i'm not sure if any part of tort law would apply to this, but i think a class action suit is in order. obviously no single person can afford to go after CARB or the state of california.  if i got a ticket for my exhaust i don't even know how furious i would get, i have no idea what i would do, but i garauntee  it wouldn't be nothing.  so for all of you in california i encourage you to "stick it to the man."

[KiDyNomiTe]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ May 07 2002,7:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i don't live in california, but i keep hearing stories about people gettin tickets, and frankly, it pisses me off. what's the reasoning behind getting a ticket, it doesn't have anything to do with noise regulations does it? i thought it was CARB that was pullin this bs. and we all know that installing a cat-back has nothing to do with emissions. i'm not sure if any part of tort law would apply to this, but i think a class action suit is in order. obviously no single person can afford to go after CARB or the state of california. if i got a ticket for my exhaust i don't even know how furious i would get, i have no idea what i would do, but i garauntee it wouldn't be nothing. so for all of you in california i encourage you to "stick it to the man."</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
honestly if everyone that modded a car w/ exhaust attacked the popo in a law suit, they couldn't stop us. Way to many people with modded exhaust, only problem with this board is that some of out cars aren't really legal
:cough: SR swappers :cough: <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[tnord]

actually i think the main problem is that the vast majority of the people that this affects is stupid kids that really don't know what to do.

[KiDyNomiTe]

sorta OT (to lazy to post a new topic):

I still don't get how they can ban all those TTs for emissions but american domestics pass emissions. Jap cars have, for the most part, an HP limit but american cars come stock with over 300HP yet are still in production, well not anymore (except mustang). Wat is going on in the sports car world, looks like imm ahave to buy myself a nice infiniti juss to fit in with the new croud of luxury cars.

[mistert]

well today drift freaq told me that its not too much to worry about in CA, the cops wont hassle you over it unless you're causing trouble and they need something to nail you over it

im still worried though, as im about to move to CA, and would like to have a turbo car and eventually remove the cats. has anyone here actually had a cop check for their cats, or know someone who has? and if they do catch you without them on the road, what happens? i have heard horror stories about $1000 + fines <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

[misnomer]

OK, that made about as much sense as a dry shoelace.

Anyhow, iirc you can be ticketted for exhaust noise emissions, and for dicking with the emmissions equipment on your car. Check the regulations and head on in to your court date.

[CTL]

Cops in CA are pretty stupid, if they pull you over theyll still give you a ticket. Last time i got pulled over and i got a ticket for window tint and it wasnt event that dark, i was driving my old car that was riced out with a body kit and slammed they harrased me and it was about 4 cop cars and it looked like they were teaching some new punk cop how to write a ticket cause they were telling him what to do........ as for them checking for a cat ,u friend told me they put a stick down there and see if they feel the cat or not cause he has a civic with a b16a that got jakked.....watch out with hondas in CA they get stolen a lot. If you wanna take out the cat just gut it out........

[CTL]

btw the cop said i pulled you over because we were looking for someone with your description and he said this takes out time so i am going to have to give you a ticket and he picked the ticket to be a window tint ticket how stupid is that...............

[tnord]

1) if you're tint is legal take it to court an you'll win
2) don't gut your cat, it reduces power
3) they do not have to give you a ticket if they pull you over
4) next time they pull you over because you fit a "description," i'd double check that. there has to be a way to get all the police reports for wanted suspects in the past week or so. figure out where to get it before you get pulled over. then when you do and they give you that bs just say "i hope you're telling the truth, because i'm going to go home and look up such and such for the past week, and if there isn't anyone that fits my description, i'm going to the papers/your boss/tv news/lawyer/etc. i dunno if this would work or not, but i know what it's like to get picked on, and i'm really really sick of it.

[Kreator]

Hmmm I don't have much experience with this, but just from common sense.....

If the exhausts are legal and are legally sold, that means that cops can't do anything about it. There is no law saying you can't put an exhaust on your car. If there is some limit on how loud you exhaust can be, make the cop measure how loud it is and then if it is louder accept the ticket. I guess they'll be too damn lazy to do that shit &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> Otherwise i don't think they can ticket you if they don't give you a particular proof of you braking some of the laws....

Kre

[ajbarnes1]

They can find something to give you a ticket for. &nbsp;Even if you have done nothing wrong, since they are the people that interpret the law (at least when *giving out the tickets*), they can pretty much give you a ticket if they want to. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Example: &nbsp;In VA, reckless driving is 20mph over the limit or exceeding 80mph. &nbsp;But it is left up to the cops what is reckless at slower speeds-- donuts in a parking lot? Drag racing? Spinning your wheels from a stop? purposely fishtailing? &nbsp;The list goes on. &nbsp; &nbsp; Once you go to court, it is up to the judge to decide whether what you were doing, indeed is illegal and punishable. &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp;Oh yeah, the other thing: Cops have a set court date; so don't pull the "well, i'm going to fight this in court". &nbsp;It doesn't matter to them whether you win or lose/ pay your fine or fight it -- they have to be in court either way. &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The majority of people just pay their fines and go on. &nbsp;So, instead, show up for the court date. &nbsp;Just explain to the judge what the deal is with your exhaust/whatever. &nbsp;More likely than not, they might let you off with a reduced fine just for showing up.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ajbarnes1 @ May 07 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They can find something to give you a ticket for. Even if you have done nothing wrong, since they are the people that interpret the law (at least when *giving out the tickets*), they can pretty much give you a ticket if they want to.
Example: In VA, reckless driving is 20mph over the limit or exceeding 80mph. But it is left up to the cops what is reckless at slower speeds-- donuts in a parking lot? Drag racing? Spinning your wheels from a stop? purposely fishtailing? The list goes on. Once you go to court, it is up to the judge to decide whether what you were doing, indeed is illegal and punishable.
Oh yeah, the other thing: Cops have a set court date; so don't pull the "well, i'm going to fight this in court". It doesn't matter to them whether you win or lose/ pay your fine or fight it -- they have to be in court either way.
The majority of people just pay their fines and go on. So, instead, show up for the court date. Just explain to the judge what the deal is with your exhaust/whatever. More likely than not, they might let you off with a reduced fine just for showing up.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Bah. The spinning tires thing sux. When i just got the car i was constantly doing cuz i couldn't get off the line smoothly. Good thing no cops around.

As for the court issues...
My friend (who's a dumbass and just can't drive slower than 80) gets pulled over all the time. Every single time he goes to court. Now he got about 7-8 tickets in 2001, but he only actually payed 1 or 2 fines, cuz all the other times the cop didn't show up.

[mistert]

http://www.paynofine.com (paynofine)

this is a site that shows how to get out of traffic tickets, for those of you with heavy right feet <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[tnord]

if some of you take the attitude of "cops do what they want and there's nothing i can do" that's fine. but i am obviously not a passive person, and care to take the opposite route. my business law prof called me a "fuck you" type person, because i don't care what it costs me, i just want to fuck over the other guy (in this case, the cop).

[Ballistic-Mobile.com]

If they pulled people over for exhuasts then all those big ass trucks w/ loudass pipes would be getting pulled over all the time. &nbsp;I personally don't like loud exhausts b/c i am a speeder and i am the 1st to admit that i don't follow all the traffic laws so i dont need the added attention that a loud exhaust gives even if you aren't WOT! &nbsp;I am sure you could find a bigger factory exhaust that will flow just as much air as the aftermarket, but be much quiter. &nbsp;Oh wait...Most people do it to be trendy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> I forgot

[jyt747]

I live in CA and it basically depends on what city you're in. If you live in the bigger cities or the more "ghetto" areas, you're less likely to get pulled over for having an exhaust cause there's more serious crimes and they're too lazy to deal with something so minor. However, if you live in a upper middle class suburbia, cops are more likely going to ticket you for something like that cause they don't have anything else to do. They figure that ticketing someone for a modified exhaust out of their work day that consist of drinking starbucks and eating donuts is actual work.
You also get more shit if you go to the local run meets. In the bay area, McCarthy shopping center is a popular spot and everybody and their mothers go there before the runs. Local cops always go there and give them hell. They've boxed in the parking lot and checked every car, one by one. Every car had to have their hood open. If you had an intake without a carb legal sticker on it, you got a ticket.
And people wonder why serious crimes are on the rise!? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>

[BlackFox]

For our 240/rx7 meet up to Hwy 9, 1 hwy patrol, 2 sherrifs and 1 helecopter showed up. we had 10 or so cars, just looking for a reason to give tickets. one of my friends got one for not having his license with him which was prompted by having his license plate in his window (front)..... jackasses...... one of the sherrifs walked like his pants were up too high and he had a stick up his ass, which he probably did..... lol..... maybe I'll become a cop ......... maybe not, their cars suck

[Coldsun]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KiDyNomiTe @ May 06 2002,9:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">sorta OT (to lazy to post a new topic):

I still don't get how they can ban all those TTs for emissions but american domestics pass emissions. Jap cars have, for the most part, an HP limit but american cars come stock with over 300HP yet are still in production, well not anymore (except mustang). Wat is going on in the sports car world, looks like imm ahave to buy myself a nice infiniti juss to fit in with the new croud of luxury cars.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
They actually are exempt from these laws
because think about it... ITS NOT THERE damn FAULT

nah seriously .... any car that was built before a certain year (i forget what year extactly) is exempt because thats jus how there car was built, and laws were different then, they shouldn't have to edit there cars...I also heard that this even goes for cars that came with a darker tint back in the day.....

In fact, alot of you probably know this but, ya know its illegal to put a older engine in a newer car (ie: a 96 B18c in a 99 Civic DX) and drive it on the street..

This is all because older cars were street legal...there for they are street legal, people in the year 2002 that put a giant coffee can on there exhaust that crack windows and scare children are knowingly breaking the law

Anyway to get back on topic, i had a Full Greddy Evo Exhaust System on my Accord and it was alot louder then stock but not crazy loud, but if i was next to a car and stepped on the gas i could maybe set off a alarm <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> ,anyway i NEVER got a ticket for it, i only got threaten about gettin one by a cop that pulled me over for speeding, but i never had a cop flip on his lights and pull me over cuz my exhaust was loud.....

Dont be afraid to mod your car dude... go for it... Alotta new exhaust systems really are legal and will sometimes even send you the papers to prove it.. And if a cop ever does get ya, make sure he gives you a decibal meter test, and doesn't jus say "I think its too loud, heres a ticket" they gotta prove it man...
-Sun

[tnord]

old cars being exempt really is stupid. i read a study where about 5% of the functioning cars emit 90% of the air pollution. an early model mustang, sitting in a garage not running, emits more harmful gasses than a ford explorer cruising the freeway at 60mph. why? because of lead based paints and other nasty crap they used in the interiors. &nbsp;this doesn't even take into account leaded fuels, and old muscle cars with no cats. i mean, is it really that big of a deal to require them to install a cat? if they didn't have extra money they wouldn't have old cars sitting around, so cost isn't an issue. &nbsp;

basically, the problem isn't current cars, it's broken down cars with no cats and old cars whose paint is even toxic. somehow, we still get screwed. (not to say that the whole country adopting LEV2 vehicles isn't a good thing)

[Coldsun]

hey man, i aint saying its right, i'm jus sharing the knowledge &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>
but are you serious 5% making, 90% lol
thats crazy...
the whole thing is a difficult issue i guess.... I bet the dudes that own old cars will defend them like crazy
-Sun